SBN Wisconsin HOF Nominee #2: Oscar Robertson
A couple weeks ago we asked you to vote for the top ten Bucks of all time. Last Monday we began by revealing our first nominee, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, with each of our nominations eligible for the forthcoming SBN Wisconsin Hall of Fame ballot that will also include nominees from Brew Crew Ball, Acme Packing Company, Bucky's 5th Quarter and Anonymous Eagle.
Ask any NBA fan to succinctly summarize Oscar Robertson's NBA resume, and you'll inevitably hear one term over and over.
Triple-double.
Yes, Robertson remains the only NBA player to average a triple-double over an entire season, though in isolation his incredible line from the 61/62 season--30.8 ppg, 11.4 apg and 12.5 rpg--is a bit misleading. For one, the ridiculous pace of the NBA game at the time meant that everyone's stats were inflated relative to today's game by around 30%. That helps explain Robertson's triple-double and Wilt's 50.4 ppg the same year, and how Oscar was only fifth in the league in scoring and third in win shares despite numbers that are jaw-dropping by today's standards.
Still, pace doesn't explain Robertson's incredible assist rate, which is even more impressive when you consider a) the less generous scorekeeping for assists at the time and b) the fact that Oscar averaged 3.4 more apg than anyone else in the league. And perhaps most amazingly, the focus on single-season stats glosses over the fact that Oscar averaged a career cumulative triple-double through his first six seasons in the league. He was a better rebounder early and a more prolific passer later, otherwise he'd have had more than just one triple-double season. Through his first 460 career games: 30.4 ppg, 10.7 apg, 10.0 rpg. Not too shabby.
Yet The Big O's statistically stupefying legacy in Cincinnati has in many ways overshadowed his evolution as a player and the team success he had later on with the Bucks. Robertson won 50 games just once as a Royal, in the process garnering a reputation as a lone gunner never able to translate personal accolades into team success. Was it fair? Perhaps not. For those who haven't seen or heard much about Robertson aside from the numbers, ESPN's SportsCentury feature on him is a must watch (part III is above), as it paints a more complete portrait of Robertson the man, not just the player. Growing up an NBA fan in the '90s and '00s, it's easy to forget the segregation and prejudice which players like Oscar dealt with on a daily basis.
Fortunately for Oscar and the Bucks, he eventually got his chance to show he was a winner. Following a tumultuous relationship with then-coach Bob Cousy, Robertson was dealt to the Bucks in April 1970, joining a 56 win team that already featured Kareem, Jon McGlocklin and Bobby Dandridge. We all know what happened next. The Bucks steamrolled their way to a league-best 66-16 record and dropped just two games in three playoff series, culminated by a 4-0 sweep of the Bullets in the Finals.
And while he sacrificed some of his prodigious scoring, the 31-year-old Robertson was hardly just riding Kareem's coattails. He scored 19.4 ppg on 50% shooting while leading the Bucks in assists (8.2 apg, third in the league), grabbing nearly six boards per game, and garnering his 11th straight all-star selection and an All-NBA second team berth. And he saved his best for last, dominating Earl Monroe in the finals with 23.5 ppg and 9.5 apg on 52%, compared to just 16.3 ppg on 35% shooting for The Pearl.
And while Oscar's tenure in Milwaukee peaked in the incredible '71 season, he didn't just ride off in the sunset, averaging 16.0 ppg and 7.5 apg in 288 career games in Milwaukee. He was an all-star again in 71/72 (17.4 ppg, 7.7 apg, 5.0 rpg) and was still a productive starter even in his 14th and final season (12.4 ppg, 6.4 apg). Oscar was a winner, too, helping the Bucks win 59 or more games in each of his four seasons in Milwaukee. Unfortunately his final game was a game seven loss to the Celtics in the '74 Finals, but by that time his legacy was secured.
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The Big O
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
You mean Orlando Woolridge?
Just kidding. Never saw Oscar play, stats speak for themselves. Funny he never gets a mention for best of all time, not saying he is it’s just I’m certain you could draw a better argument for him than LBJ.
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Great work Frank
I like how you are taking time to feature each player individually, giving each player their due, rather than slapping up a Top Ten list. It also builds up the antici——-pation for who is coming up next in the list.
As for Oscar, I am in your generation of fandom and never saw him play. Video footage makes it hard to appreciate all he accomplished because the game was so different back then. The game action seems quaint compared to today’s game. It seems as though Robertson’s strength and size allowed him to just overpower players of his generation, much like Lebron today.
by Brick's house on Aug 9, 2010 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1111111
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 9, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
We may start lumping guys together as we work down the list
I’ve been really slow getting these posted…
It was definitely cool going back through the stats, videos and old articles to read up on Kareem and Oscar. And totally agree on the old video—seems like all the footage of Oscar is of him shooting that high-release jumper over defenders. I had to go through a bunch of YouTube clips before I saw some stuff that showed off his athleticism a bit more clearly.
by Frank Madden on Aug 9, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm looking forward to a CDR post ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 9, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
woah woah lets not get ahead of ourselves CDR has to wait his turn we still have Todd Day to get through
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
not to mention Brad Lohaus as well...if he is good enough for NBA jam he gets my vote
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
How dare you mention Todd Day before Darvin Ham...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 9, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Darvin Ham I recall played a bit in the Australian NBL
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
yup he could get up there
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Yeah
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 9, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
once again brilliant....still amazed when we mention these calibre of players playing for the Bucks!!!
would have been outstanding to see!!!!!!! 66-16 just wow
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
A few tweets from Bogues:
@Squadsix, I hear vuvuzelas are banned, thats ok, this is what we need next year. http://bit.ly/aVSQYE
Once I get back to Australia, I will be shutting down my Twitter/Facebook for a little while. My ONLY focus will be Training.
Talk about dedicated!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
ah for the days of laying off the sex drugs and rock n roll to get back into shape for pre season....
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Yup, just what we need...
…a totally shirtless Squad6 in the middle of a Milwaukee winter…Ha! I agree with vuvuzelas being banned…they’re only for pussies who haven’t got the stamina to chant for 2 hours straight anyway…!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 10, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you insulting Squad Six? ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 10, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
No...
…I was thinking about being shirtless in a Milwaukee winter…the last thing we want is ALL of Squad6 coming down with chills and being ‘on the bench’ for the next game!
(And yes, I do realise that the BC is most probably centrally-heated, so that this event is extremely unlikely!) :)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 10, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The BC is probably the worst heated building in the NBA.
Or so I hear. I don’t have any problem with it.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 10, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
If you weren't 14
I’d be telling you to bring you’re own method of heat.
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Haha!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 10, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
What's that supposed to mean? ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 10, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
the bc centrally heated?
I think Herb still has some poor guy shoveling coal into a furnace down in the basement
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Brilliant video of Oscar Robertson Frank.
I’m not sure what’s more amazing: The fact the Bucks didn’t win more than a ring with the Big O or that Robertson avg’d a triple double (albeit in an inflated era) over 5 seasons.
Either way Robertson’s swan song in Milwaukee was both good & bad. Good that the franchise experienced success with Kareem & Big O, but bad that it ended up in part leading to Jabbar’s departure in 1975.
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Some of the fanshots are getting lonely at the bottom of the page...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I can't get it copied onto the thread...
But I love that photo of Robertson playing in college where he is leaping up for a rebound doing the splits in the air. Just a great display of his athletic abilities.
I remember seeing him play
But only briefly. He was a triple-double machine before they called them triple-doubles.
Bucks and Brewers trumped the Packers back then
People ask me why I still am a big fan of the Bucks and Brewers, especially since both have kinda stunk in the past decade or so. I tell them that, having been born in 1962, the 70’s for me were full of good years with the Bucks and Brewers. The Packers weren’t that good, even into the 80’s. I also tell them that I grew up in Milwaukee, not Green Bay. So we went to Bucks and Brewers game, not Packer games. The first Bucks game I remember was against the Warriors, who had Nate Thurmond and Jeff Mullins. Takes me back a little. ;)
(I may have revealed myself to be oldest on this blog ..hehe)
Sorry I beat you
And I remember Thurmond, not so much Mullins but that might have to do with living in a basketball poor country at that time.
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Touche'
And to be honest, I don’t remember if Mullins was any good. I also remember the Bob Lanier-Dave Bing-Curtis Rowe Detroit Pistons. I still have programs from some of those games — with autographs from Kareem, Dandridge and the rest of the bunch.
Remember all thoe guys
I had to rely on Am radio for most of my games..Joe Tait on WWWE in Cleveland, Johnny Most in Boston(her might be a legend but god was he monotone), and Marv “Yes and it counts” Albert doing the Knicks games. Didn’t know how 3/4 of the players looked, really relied on my subscription to Sporting news. Had the game fo the Week on Cbs and that was about all the coverage I got.
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And I thought I had it rough watching Bucks games online in those 4 inch screens.
by Brick's house on Aug 9, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually sports on radio was great
Especially baseball
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yeah from my aussie days dont mind sports on the radio quite good
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
In Milwaukee ..
It was none other than Eddie Doucette. His pet names for players are too many to mention here, but they were classic. I believe he was the guy who coined the term “sky hook” to label Lew Alcindor’s / Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s famed shot.
by tommyr on Aug 9, 2010 9:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
And BANGO!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 9, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Canadian Legend has it
That Kareem’s High School coach (Jack Donoghue, later coach of Canada’s national Team)taught Kareem the hook, could be Doucette named it though. I also believe when kareem went to UCLA dunking was not allowed.
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Just for the team or the whole country?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 9, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
for dunks not being allowed
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 9, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a NCAA rule at the time.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And not only no dunking
But no shot clock until the late 70s or 80s, it could make for some really brutal games. Some teams (I think Dean Smith and UNC did this) would run a 4 corner offense with a lead and 4 or 5 minutes left in the game. This consisted of having one player at each of the four corners of the offensive end, and the 5th at the top of the key. They would then pass the ball around the perimeter with no idea of even trying for a basket, just intent to run out the clock. understandable from a coaching point of view, terrible for the fans though. I remember watching a double overtime game where this happened, the team who won the tap (still had jumps at half-time, overtime etc.)would hold for one, they missed and game went to overtime again. Riveting stuff.
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I am so glad that the game of basketball...
…has continued to evolve and make improvements where necessary! Reminds me of my days in the Under 12s and Under 14s…very little scoring and no shot clock. I don’t know how our parents could stand to watch it…!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 10, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
What do you think are the 3 worst changes since, say, the 70s?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 10, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Players attitude
Size of contracts
TV saturation
Kind of joking but kind of not
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All 3 are inextricably linked.
Size of contracts is driven by the TV saturation and the amount of money being created through them. Both combine to seriously affect the ego’s of players, creating the poor attitudes prevalent in the game the past 15-20 years.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 10, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Wholeheartedly agree there
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 10, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I kind of think it would be better if they hadn't added the 3 point shot
I think it would create more focus on trying to get the best shot possible.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 10, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Kind of agree
But then I’m partial to fast-break ball, 80s showtime ftw.
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Kind of like when teams hold the ball in HS
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

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