Milwaukee Bucks Preview 2010/2011
As per tradition, Jeff Clark and the gang at Celtics Blog are organizing Blogger team previews this year--and what better way to kick off training camp than with some ill-fated predictions of the new season? Many thanks to Jeff for asking us to participate.
Team Name: Milwaukee Bucks
Last Year’s Record: 46-36
Key Losses: Luke Ridnour, Kurt Thomas, Jerry Stackhouse
Not-so-key losses: The Artist Formerly Known as Michael Redd (OK fine, he's still technically on the roster), Charlie Bell, Dan Gadzuric, Primoz Brezec, Royal Ivey
Key Additions: Corey Maggette, Drew Gooden, Larry Sanders, Keyon Dooling, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Jon Brockman
Not-so-key additions: Earl Boykins, Darington Hobson
1. What Significant Moves were made during the off-season?
Where to begin? Before the draft, John Hammond surprised many by picking up free throw-magnet Corey Maggette for the throwaway price of Charlie Bell and Gadzuric, addressing the Bucks' complete inability to draw fouls but also raising questions over their interest/ability to keep John Salmons. Afterall, it stood to reason that Hammond (or perhaps more accurately, Herb Kohl) might think twice about committing major dollars to the 30-year-old Salmons just a week after taking on the 30-year-old Maggette's three years and $31 million in remaining salary. Um, right?
Apparently not. After surprising the league by winning 46 games and nearly toppling the Hawks in round one without Andrew Bogut, the Bucks' braintrust clearly wasn't content to stand pat, and they made that perfectly clear in the early hours of free agency on July 1. In short order, Salmons agreed to a five-year deal that included $33 million in guarantees, while Hammond also locked up the well-traveled Drew Gooden to a five-year fully guaranteed $32 million contract. That's a lot of money for a pair of guys unlikely to be earning their contracts three years from now, but it was a risk the Bucks were willing to take to get better now.
Aside from the expensive vets, 15th overall pick Larry Sanders will add some much-needed length and athleticism to a 4/5 rotation that a year ago was scrappy but lacked size and depth behind Bogut. In Vegas, Sanders was impressive as a disruptive, mobile defender, and he also showed surprising touch for a guy that many have projected as little more than an athletic garbageman. He might not see huge minutes initially, but he has the look of a potential long-term starter and could provide a Serge Ibaka-like boost as a rookie.
2. What are the team’s biggest strengths?
Following two decades of mediocre-to-horrendous defending, the Bucks ranked second in the league in defensive efficiency, much to the exacting standards of the perpetually ornery and intense Scott Skiles. Though they fouled at the second-highest rate in the league, Milwaukee excelled at limiting shot opportunities and forcing misses, ranking third in defensive rebound rate, fourth in turnovers forced, and eight in opponent eFG%. All that begins with Andrew Bogut, who ranked second in the league in shot-blocking and quarterbacked a help-but-don't-switch defense that compensated for a lack of size and strength with guile and hard work. Luc Mbah a Moute has shown he can defend virtually anyone, Brandon Jennings and Salmons were underrated in the backcourt, and Sanders could give the Bucks a dynamic shot-blocking tandem when he's paired with Bogut up front.
And though the Bucks lack a true center behind Bogut--hence the recent interest in Erick Dampier--they have exceptional depth virtually everywhere else. Sure, it might be a challenge finding minutes for everybody, but that's the kind of problem Skiles wants to have. Power forward will be particularly tricky, as Gooden is the default starter but will get plenty of competition from Ersan Ilyasova, Mbah a Moute, Sanders, and Jon Brockman. At least one of those guys could be dealt by the trade deadline, and it pains me to admit that Ilyasova and Mbah a Moute are probably the most likely candidates.
Salmons is the only assured starter among the swingmen, while incumbent small forward starter Carlos Delfino would seem to have the inside edge on Maggette, who's being brought along slowly after offseason ankle surgery. Which is perfectly fine by me. While Maggette is the sexier scorer, the Bucks' starting lineup would seem to benefit more from a complementary, "do a bit of everything" guy like Delfino than another guy who needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Maggette still figures to get plenty of minutes if he's used as a scoring ace off the bench, where he'd be a big upgrade over Jerry Stackhouse. By the way, I love you Jerry, but you're way too old to be getting iso's called for you.
3. What are the team’s biggest weaknesses?
Bogut has the most important elbow in Wisconsin at the moment, and losing him for an extended period could prove disastrous. Still, early reports of Bogut scrimmaging in recent weeks have offered reassurance that he should be ready to go on opening night. Whether the injury impacts his performance is another question, but even a less-than-100% Bogut is vastly better than the alternative. Which is...Drew Gooden starting at center?
There's also the issue of scoring points. The flip side of the Bucks' high-energy defense is their low-efficiency offense, which ranked just 23rd in efficiency terms. Though the Bucks consistently moved the ball and were often effective in pick and roll, they rarely punished teams in transition and lacked the efficient shot-creators to put consistent pressure on opposing defenses. The latter begin to change with the arrival of Salmons, whose ability to initiate offense took pressure off Jennings and Bogut.
Still, look at Skiles' track record and you'll see that he's never had a team rank even in the top 20 in offensive efficiency over a full season. Too much effort spent on the defensive end? That's certainly part of it, as the Bucks emphasize defensive responsibility above all else. Still, the addition of Maggette and the continued development of Jennings and Bogut could finally give Skiles the talent he needs to get some points on the board. In particular, having shot-creating wings like Salmons and Maggette for a full year will hopefully bring the Bucks better offensive balance and fewer long scoring droughts. If you can't be explosive, you might as well be consistent.
4. What are the goals for this team?
Missing the playoffs would be a harsh blow given the excitement generated by the team's late season surge a year ago. And realistically, even another hard-fought first round exit would be something of a disappointment given the money spent to improve last season's squad. With Cleveland in LeRuins, the door is clearly open for the Bucks to challenge Chicago for the division title and a spot in the East's top four, which could mean a 50-win season for the first time since the 2001 squad that came within a game of the NBA Finals.
5. What could have the biggest influence on the upcoming season?
Few players are as fascinating to follow on and off the court as Jennings, whose growth as a sophomore will go a long way to determining whether the Bucks can develop into something more than a likable team of underdogs. For a guy who made his name by scoring (55) points, Jennings was miserably inefficient as a shooter, ironically providing most of his value as a consistent defender and game manager. It all seems a bit backwards considering the flashy profile he's developed, but the reality is that his biggest challenge remains developing the offensive substance to match his unquestionable style. I don't think there's any certainty that Jennings is destined for true stardom, but it might be the only way for the Bucks to become a true contender.
Bonus Prediction: The Bucks will miss Luke Ridnour's steadying influence and consistent shooting off the bench--but they probably won't miss Ridnour himself. That's because after his improbable career year, the 29-year-old will likely come crashing back down to earth in Minnesota. Still, Bucks fans shouldn't expect Keyon Dooling to replicate Ridnour's performance from a year ago.
Predicted Record: 50-32. Cracking 50 wins for the second time in 20 years is no guarantee, but the Bucks are a more talented bunch than they were six months ago--let's hope the chemistry is still there, too.
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50 wins
50 seems a little conservative. I know, we’re Bucks fans and used to bad news, etc., but looking at the schedule, I come up with 54 wins using a simple (subjective) formula. We ignore home and away on the theory it evens out. We count games against worse teams as a win, better teams as a loss, and split the games against comparable teams. I know, not scientific enough for some of you, but I’m sticking to it :)
hey the fact that we are able to predict 50-32 instead 32-50 is already a win in my book
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
by ILIKEBJ'S on Sep 27, 2010 4:48 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/09/27/toronto-portland-added-to-dampiers-list-of-options/
In other words, not likely us.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 27, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
tell Dampier to ask Turkoglu's old lady....Portland & Toronto both suck
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Portland doesn't, but Toronto is going to just blow this year...
I just think other teams have more money and roster spots open then us.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 27, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Portland is a bizarre destination for Dampier.
They already have three centers. Granted, two of them are perpetually broken, but if they are really seeking out Dampier, that is no vote of confidence for the health of Oden.
by Brick's house on Sep 27, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
definitely a smart move with Oden very questionable in his ability to play anything near a full season....
and Camby has always been a better defender out of the post rather than a guy who bangs down low so its a good move on new GM’s part in Portland, and McMillan likes to run a slow half court game also
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I don't think that means not us at all
I think he just wants to see what his options are, however Toronto would be a terrible decision unless they offer him something like $4mil/yr.
I would have to believe he’s weighing the Bucks, Houston, and Portland. Of which, playing for the Bucks he may have to sacrifice about $1-2mil over the next 2 years (cuz he’ll get another vet min next year somewhere). The PT opp would probably be best in MKE. The win total and playoff record could be similar between the Rockets, Bucks, and Blazers imo.
Very nice preview.
Looking forward to this season. (understatement, I know) I would have to say besides Bogut, Maggette might be the most important player. He could make or break us. And of course,who knows what to expect from Jennings this year.
And you know what this season needs? More Herb Kohl. I want to see him dancing
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
...In the stands with squad six and his Drew Gooden sized wallet
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 27, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
And, speaking of Bogut:
If there was a game tonight, the expectation is that Bogut would play
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
What the heck? It messed everything up.
Anyway, that quote is from Sampson, from media day today. Take from that what you will… :)
(Maybe I should just stop commenting. I have the worst luck ;))
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 27, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
If you were to stop commenting Speedy...
…I would be very sad :(
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 27, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
Don’t worry, I’m still here. :)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 27, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This is an insider post.
Can you give us the gist of it.
by Brick's house on Sep 27, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Biggest Strength: The Bench
Biggest Weakness: Long Range Shooting
Outlook: Fear the Deer (John Hollinger loves the Skiles Bucks)
If you sign up for the Mag, ESPN gives you a free Insider account. The magazine is shite, but the Insider… isn’t really worth it but cheaper. Still, it feeds my addiction and I can see all those pestering updates that my phone used to deny me (hint: Right now, it’s all about Melo and nothing is happening, before it was Chris Paul and nothing happened). If you’re a Knicks fan, Insider gives you all kinds of updates on stuff that won’t happen but will inflate your ego to dangerous proportions
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 27, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Question. Did Bucks Training Camp start today?
If so, any reports on how things went? If not, I guess it begins tomorrow?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
Yes, it begins tommorow
Media day was today, so all sorts of videos, interviews, pictures etc are coming our way. Plus, we get to see all the new players in a Bucks uni for the first time…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 27, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha!
Was thinking the same same thing earlier :)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 28, 2010 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Mostly same old stuff
Biggest Strength: Bench
Biggest Weakness: Long Range Shooting
Outlook/Prediction: 49-33, 1st in Central Division, 4th in Eastern Conference
He spoke highly of the offseason moves for CDR, Brockman, Gooden, and Maggette (In reference to the bench: “I have Milwaukee’s bench rated fourth in the league in my preseason rankings, and that was with Maggette as a starter; if he comes off the pine, Milwaukee will have the best second unit in basketball. If it’s Maggette who comes off the bench, the Bucks also might have the league’s sixth-man winner”). Not so much about Salmons contract at all (“The last year isn’t fully guaranteed, but this is still a bad contract”). He spoke highly of drafting all 3 rooks.
In reference to the weakness “As a result, Milwaukee is likely to shoot in the low 30s on 3s as a team. And without a 40 percent 3-point threat on the outside, teams will collapse and dare the likes of Jennings and Salmons to beat them from distance, making life much harder in the paint for Maggette and Bogut. The one player who could change that is Redd, but he’s unlikely to be a participant this season.”
Didn’t mean to steal your thunder. Really ought to read the whole thing before I respond. Props, FTD.
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 27, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
interesting thing with the 3's.........we do like to jack them up
but this year we have a lot more offensive looks and options available
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I believe that with a bit more familiarity with Skiles defensive schemes
the foul rate will not be as high as it was last year. Why is this important? Well, instead of taking the ball out, Milwaukee will have more transition opportunities, which should help modestly supplement their halfcourt scoring with easy baskets.
In a grind-it-out-game, those buckets are back-breaking. Also, they excite the home crowd, deflate the opposition, and swing momentum.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Ah, Skiles teams foul hard and often. The rate is high because Skiles wants his guys to foul easy buckets. While another team might allow a transition lay in, Skiles dares you to hit those free throws.
Also, half of this team is new. Jon Brockman exists for energy and fouls. This team is going to foul a lot.
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 27, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Sportsnation prediction seems a bit low.
Delfino and Ilyasova came out of nowhere, so they could regress.
Here's the link to the article.
His comment on Ilyasova and Delfino regressing this upcoming season was the most frustrating for me. Sure looks to me that both of them have improved over the offseason (see FIBA), although their minutes may not allow for their numbers to improve significantly.
I love this line:
A re-inked Salmons, coupled with Maggette’s signing, along with the acquisition of second-year swingman Jon Brockman from Sacramento, the impending return of Redd, guard Chris Douglas-Roberts and the development of Carlos Delfino all spells ‘top-heavy’ in the two-guard/small forward sweepstakes.
Apparently, the writer believes that because Brockman is only 6’7, he must be a swingman. And talking about Redd in the rotation this season immediately discredits any expertise when writing about the Bucks.
by Brick's house on Sep 28, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
My eyebrows raised at the Brockman and Redd inclusion here too.
Prada needs to spend more time reading Brew Hoop to have a better understanding of such things!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 28, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't pass the litmus test.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 28, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I am so tired of reading about how Skiles is going to lose this team eventually. The Bucks have not had chemistry issues in his tenure and he has the support of the entire organization. John Hammond went so far as to compare him to Jerry Sloan and was optimistic that he might still coach this team ten years from now. Lazy journalism.
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 28, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I think Skiles’s tenure has been cut short at previous teams due to ‘player egos’ not liking being made to be accountable and front offices who don’t like the gradual, strong & steady build-up of a playing roster.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 28, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
If we have a problem,
We should do what the Jazz have done and get rid of the player, not the coach.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 28, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 28, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Worked great with Charlie V and Sessions.
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 28, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a bit worried about Maggette
Per Woelfel, he’s out for the preseson. We knew coming in that he’d be injury prone, but I just hope he can keep it together.
The good news is that he played hurt a lot for the Warriors last year. Well, sort of good, because that could have been the cause of this injury.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39392504/ns/sports-player_news/
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I Don't Get It
Maggette’s injury has been called a sprained ankle, bone spurs and now torn tendons. I’d like it if writers knew what surgery he actually had in July. From his ability to play, I would lean toward bone spurs. If that is the case, then he should be fine in time for the season.
The real loss is that Maggette won’t have the preseason to get to know his team and Skiles’ system. We really need him to get healthy soon.
My greatest fear this year is injuries.
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 28, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, his injury has seemingly changed over the summer. Bucks withholding information from us?
Injuries are always the elephant in the room. When Tiny Gallon isn’t around, of course.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 28, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Dampier visiting the Mil
Woelfels been on the ball so far:
Good news for Bucks: free-agent Erick Dampier planning trip to Milwaukee this week. More at journaltimes.com sports
http://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/25818046705
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Very.
Waiting to see who gets the boot if Damp does pick Milwaukee.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 28, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be Hobson. We really have no reason to keep him if he will be out much of the year and is on a one year contract. Too bad really.
If we did boot someone to make way for Dampier, it would make Tiny feel extra salty.
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 28, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
A gallon of salt...?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 28, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
More like a dumptruck, which coincidentally would be a good nickname for Keith.
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 28, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 28, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Frank, I love your scorecard at the beginning of your preview.
Key Losses: Luke Ridnour, Kurt Thomas, Jerry Stackhouse
Not-so-key losses: The Artist Formerly Known as Michael Redd (OK fine, he’s still technically on the roster), Charlie Bell, Dan Gadzuric, Primoz Brezec, Royal Ivey
Key Additions: Corey Maggette, Drew Gooden, Larry Sanders, Keyon Dooling, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Jon Brockman
Not-so-key additions: Earl Boykins, Darington Hobson
Having three more key additions than key losses makes for a good offseason. The Bucks just cleared out a lot of dead wood and brought in some players.
Yeah, not all losses and gains are created equal...
Btw, I’ll apologize in advance for being MIA the rest of this week…huge firedrill at work over through this coming weekend, but next week I’ll be back and recharged…hopefully :)
by Frank Madden on Sep 28, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you see Prada's prediction for Sac-Town?
If the bucks article didn’t lose him credibility, check out his prediction for the Kings. 47-35 (that’s 3 more wins than his prediction for the bucks)
Depends on Tyreke.
He can easily rise to the top tier of Wade, LeBron, Kobe type players in a few years. Is he ready to make the leap yet?
Unless Evans improves further. or Cousins turns into an instant star I’m not a big fan of that prediction.
Although, I hope it happens because the Kings are my second favorite team and they have a dire arena situation that could result in relocation if something isn’t done.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 29, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Maloofs are milking the situation to get the team to Vegas. Has little to do with the arena. Fans pack those stands when the team shows a commitment to winning.
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 29, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the talent the Kings are assembling.....
under rated was giving Kevin Martin the shove outta Sac…….smart move
got some major length in Cousins, Dalembert, Whitseside
but their are plenty of holes 47-35? seriously? anyone want to go out on a limb
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Cousins’ summer league will be a microcosm for his career. He’ll start out strong, winning accolades and the undying love of junk sportswriters, then he’ll start pouting and destroy a team’s chemistry. He’ll flame out and end his career in China. I do think that Hassan Whiteside is going to grow into a force.
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 29, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagree strongly about Cousins
But I guess it could happen
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 29, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
hey ending your career in China could be a positive thing a few years....it'll be fashionable
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I think it’s interesting to note that the NBA vets whose reputations have been sullied so greatly are all signed with sneaker companies in competition with Nike. Steve Francis (Anta), Allen Iverson (Reebok), Antoine Walker (Adidas) and Stephon Marbury (Starbury) all have had heir reputations destroyed while seemingly having a little left in the tank.
Makes you wonder if the same thing is destined for Brandon Jennings if he sticks with Under Armour.
by MadTown Hoops on Sep 30, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Bucks
I exoect the baucks to win at least 50 this year
by Jeffrey Thompson on Oct 5, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions

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