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Turkey crushes France, Jennings still hooping

FIBA: Turkey crushes France
Ersan Ilyasova has been Turkey's best player through five games, but the hosts didn't need much help from him as they manhandled France 95-77 to move on to the quarterfinals. Ersan drew three fouls early (4/6 fts) but the French (often Florent Pietrus, older bro of Mickael) blanketed him effectively for most of the night. His first basket was a closely-guarded three from deep on the right wing, and he chucked up a couple of other questionable shots before throwing down a garbage time dunk with 10 seconds left. He finished with nine points (3/11 fg, 4/6 ft) and five boards in 28 minutes.

Turkey had their way with the French down low, while the pressuring Turkish zone had France looking rattled all night. Hedo Turkoglu (20 pts on 10 shots) looked a bit more like the leader he's supposed to be, but to me the real difference maker was backup guard Sinan Guler. He sliced the French defense to pieces en route to 17 pts in just 18 minutes, including eight in the second quarter as Turkey took over the game.  The hosts next face Slovenia, who wrecked Australia 87-58 earlier in the day. Condolences, Aussies.

Star-divide

FanHouse: Brandon Jennings, Sub-Media Darling
There's only one person who could deliver the definitive take on Brandon Jennings' shape-shifting, envelope-pushing approach to social media: Bethlehem Shoals. 

If you don't think Jennings is busy constructing a more layered, intricate public persona, well, you're not on the right frequency. Jennings's frequently shifting, sometimes locked, Twitter accounts aren't so different from pirate webcasts or disposable cell phones. The low-risk, high-reward world of social media -- where an item can live and die in a matter of hours, and imperfect archiving means you're always left with some form of ghost -- is the future of athletes-in-public.

BDL: Bogut #2 among centers
I meant to post this last week, so you've probably already seen it by now. Strong praise coming from KD.  Bogut is now back in Milwaukee, and a bunch of other guys have been in town as well getting some work in before camp--CDR, Jon Brockman, and Larry Sanders among others. 

Ball is Life: Jennings at the Nike Real Run (above)
Pickup game highlight reels aren't worth much, but they are fun, no? It's also nice to see Brandon punching a tomahawk like he did back in the day. I know some people were a bit disappointed Jennings didn't do more of that last season--if memory serves me correctly, his only dunks were breakaways against the Nets and Sixers. But part of the problem is that Jennings does almost all his dunking off two feet, which means he needs to be all alone to gather himself and get up to throw down.  The fact that he doesn't want to blow a dunk while playing for Scott Skiles is also probably part of it. Two hands for safety, Brandon. (h/t Where 55 Happens)

SI Vault: Michigan State's Skiles answers critics with points (1986)
An absolutely fascinating 1986 article from Sports Illustrated, detailing how Scott Skiles' struggles with offcourt problems marred a fantastic college career.  Skiles' youthful indiscretions with drugs and alcohol aren't exactly news, but this is the first time I've read something from the time (ie without the benefit of hindsight). 

TheScore.com: Jennings talks kicks
Full disclosure: Jennings' interview with Megan Wilson from The Score is virtually all about his new signature Under Armour shoe.

The entire Black Ice shoe is designed and inspired by certain things in my life or relating back to my style. The stitching actually represents my "trinity" — my mom, my brother and myself, which is why it’s a triple layer stitch. The name itself, Black Ice, is actually the name of the air freshener in my Camaro. The strap across the front was designed after one of my watch bands. [...] The shape of the shoe — it’s a mid[top] with an asymmetrical top, is inspired by the "Gumby" fade I was rocking during the season.

So much for his old Ford Edge I guess.

BUCKS.com: 09/10 Post Season Quotes
I know we've beaten the Bogut situation to death, but I couldn't help but look back at the post-season media session in May to see what he was saying then. 

It’s going to depend on how the finger heals now. The elbow is pretty much healed, I’m just getting the swelling down. The wrist feels good already. It feels like it’s healed. The finger is the thing that worries the doctors because of the ligaments. There’s a slight percentage chance that it can re-break very easily. It’s a slight percentage, like five percent, but they say that there’s a chance of that happening so they are kind of worried about me trying to push myself the first couple of weeks. Whether that’s into June or early July, we don’t know. I’ll definitely be back in with a solid two months of basketball training before coming to Milwaukee.

Ugh.

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Anyone missing Tiny yet?

Here’s a gem from his recent Twitterings:

WeHateTiny23: You can call me whatever!!! I’m chasing this Money until my Toes Bleed and I’m not gone stop

Notice he isn’t saying his dream is to someday play on the greatest stage in basketball. No, he’s chasing the Money. I sure hope his toes don’t end up bleeding, the image is quite grotesque.

by MadTown Hoops on Sep 6, 2010 5:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Badum bump

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

We should have drafted

Jason Bohannon with that pick.

This is ridiculous that he thinks he is worth THAT much. Let’s give his draft rights to the Clippers…

Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 6, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or just sold it.

Drafting Willie Warren and not needing Boykins would have been better too.

Dishingoutdimes called it…

by Frank Madden on Sep 6, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Weird selections...

Just weird ones. Why on earth was Daniel Orton (3.3 ppg) selected in the draft, let alone the first round? I don’t get it.

Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 6, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

admittedly a team signing Dooling and Boykins in one offseason was as surprising as realising

A) Charles Grodin appeared in Rosemary’s Baby, Midnight Run & Beethoven 1, 2 & The Great Muppet Caper
B) Australia ‘allowed’ The corpse formerly known as Primoz Brezec to score double figures and hence receive the accolade ‘Bucks center Brezec scored 12 points’
C) someone allowed Brandon Jennings to name, I assume a multi million dollar developed and research marketed sports shoe, after an air freshner in his camaro

rock on

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Sep 6, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha!

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 8, 2010 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

i just want him on the team now so when he goes on the injured it list we can finally see......

bleeding toes

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Sep 6, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tiny is out....I now refer to him as

bleeding toes gallon……like that Simpsons character bleeding gums murphy

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Sep 6, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Orton was drafted on size & potential - though the first round was a big reach, IMO.

And Tiny seems to be what most of his critics at OU said he was….

But no big deal, it’s not like he was a lottery pick.

by victor s on Sep 6, 2010 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep...good 1st round picks are more important good 2nd round picks

Getting guys like LRMaM in the 2nd is great, but it’s virtually impossible to hit home runs that far back. You have to take advantage of your higher picks.

Certainly looks like they did that with Jennings, and early returns on Sanders are promising as well. I’m not thrilled with wasted picks, but at #47 you can live with it and move on.

by Frank Madden on Sep 6, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

true if your going to swing hard at a long shot do it the second round......

thank you Joe Alexander……the gift that just keeps giving

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Sep 6, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alexander netted us Salmons...

So, using that logic, Joe Alexander is responsible for us making the playoffs. Best draft pick ever! /not really

And if the new Salmons contract cripples the Bucks financially, we know who to blame.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a good point

The fact that the Bucks were willing to cut bait on him after just a year turned him into an expiring contract, which in turn meant that they didn’t have to use Kurt Thomas to make the salaries work in the Salmons trade. And obviously having Kurt was a big advantage when Bogut went down…

by Frank Madden on Sep 6, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes one of Hammonds most under rated moves that one.....

got rid of the guy that didnt work out, and they were not going to re-sign having turned down his option, used the Hakim Warrik budget signing and turned it into John Salmons, and swapped draft picks with Chicago nice…….all so Chicago could land Wade and LBJ….oh wait make that Boozer & Kyle Korver….suh-weet

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Sep 6, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Salmons move was what got people saying,

“Who are these guys running the Bucks now?”

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, the Salmons deal is only for 4 yrs [5th yr buyout] and it's not for crazy money

If he can avg an effecient 15-17ppg, I’ll be ecstactic. You know he’ll play good D, too.

by victor s on Sep 6, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Gallon should sign to a team in Japan.

Then Tiny would be Big in Japan. He could also do some sumo on the side to get some more of that money he is chasing.

by Brick's house on Sep 6, 2010 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Im sure if Tiny was Keith Gallon there wouldnt be so much fuss about him

its all in the name

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Sep 6, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

On Twitter Bogut did suggest that Tiny should wear a diaper in BJ's next "music video"

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol! Awesome.

Bogut seems to have a good sense of humor

by victor s on Sep 6, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also seems to be good friends with Brandon.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check that it was Brandon who said that

but funny nonetheless…

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is also awesome

If AB is recovered & can stay healthy, and BJ keeps improving, I can’t think of a better PG/C combo in the league – and their chemistry should continue to blossom.

Even w/ all the new faces, they seem to be the team leaders. Our own Batman & Robin, if you will.

And I still contend that no Bucks coach has really taken advantage of Bogut’s passing ability – I think he’s easily one of the best passing bg men in the NBA, he just doesn’t get to show it off.

by victor s on Sep 6, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

...or taken full advantage of his offensive set...

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 8, 2010 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting tid-bit....

With the exception of Brockman, all of the Bucks off season acquisitions [Dooling, CDR, Boykins, Gooden, Maggette] are excellent FT shooters.

Nice to know that in close games, the Bucks will have D, rebounding, and good FT shooting.

Just thought I’d throw that out there : )

by victor s on Sep 6, 2010 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

He would average 18. Close enough. :)

But yeah, if Bogut hit more of his throws he’d be more of a weapon then he already is. Unfortunately, I think there’s the chance with his injury his FT shooting % could go backwards.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanx speedy

And I fear you’re right about his FT% going down. Oh well.

Atleast all the new guys are good FT shooters : )

by victor s on Sep 6, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bogut is a bit strange in that he’s a player who takes all his shots inside 10 feet yet doesn’t draw a lot of fouls. Not the worst thing in the world given his poor shooting from the line, but it doesn’t help his scoring efficiency.

by Frank Madden on Sep 6, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bogut did have a little spurt there where the FT’s started dropping frequently, if my memory serves me correctly, or maybe it was just a mirage……

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Sep 7, 2010 4:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, round early March he had a stretch of about 5-6 games...

…where he was averaging around 75-80% for FTs. Who knows, maybe the injury will ‘straighten out’ his shooting and make him more accurate?

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 8, 2010 3:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

yup, even had a couple of nights when he knocked down all of them.....it was quite strange

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Sep 8, 2010 4:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, his arm will straighten rapidly, Rookie of the Year style, and he’ll launch his free throws directly at the fans at speeds north of 120 miles. After killing a camera man, he’ll be forced to retire from basketball and turn to the Major Leagues, where he’ll become the first Aussie to pitch a perfect game whilst striking out Barry Bonds in a comical manner.

by MadTown Hoops on Sep 8, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Sep 9, 2010 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again, I haven't crunched the numbers - but if memory serves, isn't Gooden pretty durable?

Gosh, I hope so. I hate to say it, but I’m bracing myself for bad news w/ AB – that way, I’ll be elated when it doesn’t happen : )

by victor s on Sep 6, 2010 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I think he's getting checked out by the trainers and doctors tommorw

Who knows how much the Bucks will tell us anyway…Or if they’ll try and put a positive spin on it. I think he’ll be fine though.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It just seems weird to me that they're being so hush-hush about it.

Neither Bogut or the Bucks have really given a solid “yes” to him being ready for the season opener.

by victor s on Sep 6, 2010 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, I remember before, Hammond said he would be "100%" by the season

Of course that was before the stories and his interview.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think there's a good reason for them to give a solid anything at this point

Opening night is a long ways off, but it seems clear that it hasn’t healed as quickly as hoped (based on Bogut’s quotes from May vs. August). If they don’t know then they don’t know, but hopefully we’ll get a bit more clarity now that Bogut is back in town and due to be checked out.

by Frank Madden on Sep 6, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep - my point exactly.

And the Bucks couldn’t sign Gooden fast enough – so that makes me wonder.

I really like the Gooden signing [probably more than most] but it struck me a bit odd that JH locked him up so quickly w/ a questionable contract, when he could have waited a bit, and probably got him for less, IMO.

by victor s on Sep 6, 2010 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Were you paying attention this summer? With so few quality big men on the market, all those teams with cap space spent insane dollars on poor prospects ($20 Mil to Darko, anyone?). Gooden was looking for a commitment from a team that clearly wanted him and there were other teams out there that wanted him. If we wait, we don’t get him.

by MadTown Hoops on Sep 7, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who knows what would have happened....

But we have him, and we’re stuck with him.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 7, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe - maybe not.

and citing a Kahn deal doesn’t count ; )

by victor s on Sep 8, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if it means sitting out the yr, the Bucks need to be sure AB is 100% recovered.

Bogut is a franchise player, and it would be tragic if he came back too soon and re-injured the elbow. Or worse.

Sit him for a year, if need be. He’s a franchise cornerstone.

by victor s on Sep 6, 2010 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Easy, Victor...

Let’s put a moratorium on “out for the year” talk at least until camp starts :)

by Frank Madden on Sep 6, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know I haven't pushed my personal panic button yet...

I can say one thing with certainty; he isn’t sitting out the whole year unless he gets another injury…

(But I’m now permanently afraid of outlet passes.)

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, forget I said that

Everybody go back to thinking that Bogut will never be the same again and will miss a huge chunk of time. I might have just jinxed it.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 6, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Griffin joining Bulls
Bucks asst. coach Adrian Griffin on the brink of joining Chicago Bulls. Griffin will be a bench coach, a promotion. More at journaltimes …

http://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/23268006414

Better him then Sampson, IMO.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 7, 2010 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Good to see him making a career of coaching

I remember one day he was in Bucks camp as a player and the next he was a coach.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Sep 7, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a tiny, little comment

to mention how happy I am for beating today Brazil…again. More than ever was a SCOLA do Samba and Carlos had a strong, solid game, in his best Glueman version.
I’m exultant.

by palomba on Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Congratulations on defeating your nemisis!

Scola just keeps on chugging, he and Carlos have obviously been asked to do a lot with Nocioni and Ginobli sitting out.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 7, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially impressed because Brazil looked like a contender this year. Also I thought Brazil had an edge because of their coach’s intimate knowledge of the Argintinean team. ¡Bien hecho!

by MadTown Hoops on Sep 7, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Madtown.

I think they have future and nex time will be closer to beat us than they were yesterday. I like their PG Huertas and Splitter. And though I ’m not very fond of Varejao, he is still young.

Their overrated player is Barbosa, IMO. No matter how good his game looks or how fast he is, he ends disappointing you. His turnover in yesterday’s last seconds, with Brazil fully in game, is an example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5BoYsP7Ka4

by palomba on Sep 8, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, thanks! But ...

lets get something straight: Argentina is Brazil’s nemesis, and not the other way around. We’ve beaten them in 2002 Worlds, in 2007 Las Vegas Preolimpics and now once again. We’re ahead 4 -1 on Worlds games, that only game they beat us in 1967. So figure out. We’re truly their daddys at basketball.

by palomba on Sep 7, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Ah okay. :)

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Sep 7, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bogut needs a nickname

I think that owing to his favored/best shot, his status on the team and his robo arm, his new nickname should be Captain Hook.

by MadTown Hoops on Sep 7, 2010 11:03 PM CDT reply actions  

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/p/ranking.html

According to FIBA, the States are actually ranked behind Argentina in the national standings. As long as Luis Scola keeps playing like the best big man in the World, I don’t see why not.

by MadTown Hoops on Sep 7, 2010 11:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Umm… international standings. Right.

by MadTown Hoops on Sep 7, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

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