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2010/2011 NBA Season

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16-25 (7-15 road)vs.30-14 (20-4 home)
January 24, 2011
United Center
7:00 PM
Radio: 620 WTMJ TV: FSN Wisconsin
Probable starters:
Keyon Dooling
PG Derrick Rose
Chris Douglas-Roberts
SG Keith Bogans
Corey Maggette SF Luol Deng
Ersan Ilyasova 
PF Carlos Boozer
Andrew Bogut 
C Kurt Thomas

(29th) 100.6 - OFFENSE -  105.4 (19th)
(5th) 102.4 - DEFENSE - 99.4 (1st)
(25th) 90.2  - PACE -  91.8 (17th)
On the BullsBlog a Bull / Bulls By The Horns

The city of Chicago will likely still be in mourning over the Bears' home loss to the Packers when the Bulls and Bucks meet on Monday night at the United Center.  

Star-divide

Star Power. A major talking points of the Bulls' 30-15 start has been the improvement of Derrick Rose, and with good reason. The former #1 overall pick has bumped his scoring up to 24.7 ppg along with a career-high 8.0 apg, which is a major reason why there have been a bunch of "Is Derrick Rose an MVP candidate???"-type posts flying around the interwebs of lately. Playing on a good team in a major market and doing things like this also helps. But I'll defer to admitted Bulls fan and master of all things NBA Kelly Dwyer for the final word

And Derrick Rose? The man is clutch, and as a Bulls fan, I can't tell you how many otherwise-terrible nights he's made happy for me. But while I'd love to embrace the idea of Derrick as an MVP candidate, I can't move forward knowing his True Shooting Percentage (which takes into consideration both free throws and 3-pointers) rivals that of Al Harrington's(notes) -- while also pondering his defense that (as you may have seen against Charlotte) just isn't there at times. 

The Bucks defended Rose reasonably well when the teams met in Chicago on 12/28 (18 pts on 7/17 shooting, 12 ast), shading him to the baseline and shepherding him into help defense at every turn in an effort to make other guys beat them. Unfortunately, they did. 

Carlos Boozer was Rose's main wingman that night, raining mid-range jumpers over Andrew Bogut for much of the evening. We've seen Bogut defend Boozer a fair bit over the years, the theory being that Boozer is usually too tough for whoever the Bucks have at PF and it's preferable to have Bogut play off him in the high post and turn him into a jump-shooter. Not the worst idea considering Boozer normally gets a ton of shots around the rim and converts at 72% from in close, but it's easier said than done. With Kurt Thomas starting at center the Bucks have some defensively flexibility in how they use Bogut, but the benefit of keeping him matched against KT is that he has more freedom as a help defender. In the end much of it comes down to whether Skiles believes Ersan Ilyasova can hang with Boozer sufficiently.

Missing Kurt. The Bucks didn't seem to make much or any effort to re-sign KT over the summer, but in hindsight that looks like a mistake. Though Bogut has "only" missed seven games thus far, the Bucks remain undersized up front and don't have a clear pecking order behind their Australian captain. Moreover, KT was known as one of the team's locker-room leaders a year ago and he's still been productive on the court this year--the Bulls are 4 pts/100 better with him on the court defensively, he's shooting 51% from the field, and grabbing a solid 15% of available rebounds. And as Bogut can attest from the teams' last meeting, few guys are as savvy defending in the post than the 38-year-old. 

JS: Can Bucks repeat second-half run of last year?
A good question, especially since last season's success and the rational answer would be no--if only because there was nothing typical about what last year's Bucks pulled off down the stretch. The 09/10 Bucks started 17-24 before catching fire and finishing 29-12, including 22-8 after the John Salmons trade. But don't overlook the fact that the Bucks went 7-4 in the 11 games immediately prior to the deadline deal which sent Salmons from Chicago to Milwaukee.   

Looking ahead, the Bucks only have a modest home-road advantage (22 of their final 41 at home), but just three of their road games will be against Western Conferences foes (Warriors, Suns, Clippers). But it will take more than an easier schedule for the Bucks to right their ship, and for Scott Skiles the areas of improvement remain the same as ever.

"We've got to be able to score more than 91 points a game," Skiles said. "We've got to be able to knock down shots more consistently; our chemistry has to improve. Get healthy. There's several things that would give us immediate help if we get those things done."

Bulls by the Horns: Chicago still winning with D
Tom Thibodeau was widely recognized as the architect of the Celtics' vaunted defense that won one title and was just a game away from adding a second last June, but like any assistant graduating to a full-time gig, there were questions about how he'd adapt to the first seat on the bench.  Looks like he's answered them, eh?

After finishing 11th in defensive efficiency a year ago (105.3 pts/100 possessions), the Bulls under Thibodeau have rocketed to best in the league (99.4) --even with Joakim Noah missing the past month and change with a finger injury. And as you might have expected from a team with a new coach and plenty of fresh faces, they've started to turn the screws even more after a couple months of familiarity with each other and the new system. Matt McHale writes:

What's more, the Bulls - who rank first in Opponents FGP (42.3), Opponents eFG% (45.8) and Defensive Rating (99.4) - have now held 15 of their last 16 opponents below 100 points. They've held eight of those opponents below 85 points and four of them below 80.

In other words, it's probably going to take a big night from the Bucks just to crack 90.

SBNation: Mark Cuban, Wellington Mara, And The NBA's Broken Revenue Sharing System
Some more good stuff on the (broken) economics of the NBA over at SBNation.com, courtesy of Andrew Feinstein: 

In Major League Baseball, a substantial percentage (perhaps as much as 35%) of each franchise's local broadcasting revenue is pooled for all teams to share. In the NBA, each team keeps every nickel of their local broadcasting revenue. Hence why the Pittsburgh Pirates are profitable despite being one of baseball's worst teams for 20 years on.

Or, as SB Nation's Tom Ziller aptly put it recently: "If you want to make money in the NBA, you're better off sucking in L.A. than being excellent in San Antonio."

I'd also recommend checking out a post over at OKC blog Welcome to Loud City addressing some of the same topics.

Consider the Indiana Pacers and the Milwaukee Bucks. According to Business Insider's data, each of these metropolises have under 2 million people, so they classify as "small market" teams. The Pacers and Bucks have spent over $69 million and 64 million on average from 2004-09, respectively. The Pacers suffered an operating loss of over $26 million, and the Bucks barely squeezed out a $1 million profit over that time period. These expenses and losses have yielded on average 38.4 and 33.6 wins per year. Clearly, these two teams would be prime candidates to benefit from revenue sharing.

Then you see the Utah Jazz. The Jazz have a smaller population than both, and a smaller TV audience than the Pacers. Never the less, the Jazz have turned an operating profit of $33 million while spending only $62.6 million on their players, and yet their average win total is 44 games per year. The Spurs are an even more drastic comparison. Yes, their metropolitan area is slightly larger, but they are still considered a "small market team." With their front office acumen, they have won an average of 58 games per year while spending less on their players than either the Pacers or the Bucks, and the combination has yielded an operating profit of $80 million.

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Saturday night, I think it was Steve Smith over at NBA Network that called Derrick Rose the Barry Sanders of the NBA.

I thought that was a great description of Rose’s use of his strength, explosiveness, and speed to find open spaces to operate on the court despite facing double teams.

by Brick's house on Jan 23, 2011 11:11 PM CST reply actions  

Mad props to the Packers

Very well played game – Rodgers is a stud.

by brandonh981 on Jan 24, 2011 7:52 AM CST reply actions  

Packers beat Bears, can Bucks beat Bulls?

The question that EVERYONE in Wisconsin is wondering…

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 10:08 AM CST reply actions  

Plus the UW men beat Northwestern yesterday

And the UW women beat Illinois.

If the Bucks win tonight, Illinois should just give up as a state.

by ZV on Jan 24, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

CDR on pace for 8 points

I thought that would be of interest to some people.

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes it is. And him playing on the floor with Delfino is as well...

Didi you see him pull the Kobe hook a lil bit ago @ the elbow on Brewer??

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Bogut, 9 rebounds halfway through the first?!?!?

Wow, crazy

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 7:21 PM CST reply actions  

"Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiine!"

No other Buck has a rebound…Bulls have only four total. Jamaal Magloire would be proud.

by Frank Madden on Jan 24, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Proud enough to "Hot Dog" it once on a dunk??

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL!!!! I think you made my night with that post.

Wow, great picture, didn’t know you could catch this dope in the act as such

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Ersan's a disaster waiting to happen in traffic

Frustrating, too.

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 7:24 PM CST reply actions  

Butterfingers Bogut....?

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 7:27 PM CST reply actions  

Every once in a while they come back...

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

He drops "hot passes" a lot too

like the ones that have to be through a pinhole. But I’m used to this from him by now

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Awesome, CDR.

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

Nice move

Btw, does anyone casually dribble face-high more than CDR?

by Frank Madden on Jan 24, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He has handles

great hands, and a lot of moves

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Being lit up by KT makes me wish we could have resigned him even more

Couldn’t have imagined how much we would need him.

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 7:43 PM CST reply actions  

Why does our team D live with one guy getting hot and locking down a main threat

would be great if the Bucks could play the Bucks, no??

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Where is Keyon????!!

Sick of Earl Effin Boykins!

by BuckEm on Jan 24, 2011 7:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Delfino fouled, no call.

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 7:49 PM CST reply actions  

“CJ Down the Lane……….(7 seconds elapses)….. Korver……. He had Boozer in the lane but deci..muttering… watson!”

by handheld on Jan 24, 2011 7:56 PM CST reply actions  

Lol, wow. A goaltending on Dooling?? That's the way it goes guys

Where, o where did Brandon Jennings go?? O where, o where could he be??

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 7:57 PM CST reply actions  


“There’s a ball knocked awaaayy…. Back it comes… Fade away Carlos…. Nope”

by handheld on Jan 24, 2011 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

Damn Ily, I thought you could shoot??

Are you a SF or bad shooting PF?? Either way, stop shooting

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:03 PM CST reply actions  

Not good... Gotta build confidence

it starts inside then out… In basketball too

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

About time Ily...

Got inside

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Fouls will do that...

Knocks your timing off when you and your minutes are hot and cold

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

CDR makes me chuckle

I saw a fair bit of him in college but I didn’t think he was as unorthodox and old-man-game-ish back then.

by Frank Madden on Jan 24, 2011 8:33 PM CST reply actions  

SO true

But it’s like a transition from old school (glass shots, angles) and new school (handles, length, speed)

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't get too riled up board, but CDR needs some help tonight..

Looking good for a 8-9th Man don’t you all think?

by BuckEm on Jan 24, 2011 8:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, due to inconsistencies...

Role, lineup, shots (as I mentioned earlier), minutes… Outside of the Miami and NJ games, he’s only had 4 shots a game this month. Check the game logs

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

See what more than 5 shots will get you??

So why does he only get about 5 shots a game??

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

No, not from me

I know he’s a bench player, but with Salmons playing peek-a-boo, again I ask why??

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Last week CD-R played 30 minutes and took 4 shots in a game

are you actually asking CD-R why he isn’t shooting more?

by handheld on Jan 24, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends,

was he feeding Bogut (to find the high percentage shot), or was that during Maggette’s tear (as Salmons started)?? Forgot to metion who that 30 minutes was against (a top 5 defense I believe, but look at tonight…)

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The game logs are readily available a bunch of places. You also didn’t answer my question.

I think CD-R is wildly inconsistent, I really enjoy it when he’s on though

by handheld on Jan 24, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

How can you guage that with 4 shots??

And it’s not just on offense you can contribute… Oh, and obviously I asked, but yes actually

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

CD-R is a liability on defense

so waiting for him to shoot himself into a groove is probably not a priority for Skiles. I like CD-R but some of his fans here are blind to his weaknesses and view any criticism as treason.

Why do I think he’s inconsistent? By looking at his inconsistent stats It’s kind of a playing time chicken-and-egg theory but Skiles stresses defense more than the average NBA coach

by handheld on Jan 24, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, isn't his guy Bogans tonight??

How’s he doing?? Looks like KT is the one lighting us up. With Rose a close second

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That isn't CD-R's fault...

Plus rotations change the matchup, but he hasn’t been on Deng much…

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

you're the guy bringing up who he's defending.

if you think CD-R’s defense is great, that’s fine. I just don’t think Skiles would agree with you.

by handheld on Jan 24, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

SO one play defines a game??

Sorry, I’m new to this (apparently)… And you’re the guy forcing the issue (I’ve never said anything close to “CD-R is a lockdown defender” like you make it seem)

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

you are asking why CD-R doesn't play as much

and I think the answer is his defense. I didn’t say one play defines his game. I think days worth of game film defines his defensive game.

by handheld on Jan 24, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Like you said...

Chicken-egg. Player or system?? Like I said, we rotate, and in iso situations it makes any singular defender look bad

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

and I asked why he takes only 4 shots a game, remember??

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

YEAH

I guess the truth is, I don’t know why he plays 25 minutes a game and averages 5 shots. I honestly don’t know. I was just giving my opinion of what I think might be the reason.

by handheld on Jan 24, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

But things like that don't show up in the game logs...

Ask Bogut about a stat called “shot alters” as our announcers like to call it

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

But Ilyasova can play all he wants to??

because he “hustles” ?!?!

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Ersan was a 15.7 PER player last year

with a 5.8 Win Share. Even this season which he has regressed a little, he’s still been more valuable when he’s been on the court than CD-R has.

I am trying to base what I claim in statistics, rather than the ramblings of someone who actively looks for excuses for why their favorite player isn’t in.

And once again, I like CD-R!

by handheld on Jan 24, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Ooooohh, big shiny numbers...

the question is “what have you done for me lately” and the answer is career lows…

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

And noting 4 shots a game...

I said when he has MORE, not less that 5 shots

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

Please keep the penalty thing going

Only bad thing is the hot/cold open shooting

Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!

by Miltown84 on Jan 24, 2011 9:06 PM CST reply actions  

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Consistent offensive talent.

We don’t gots it.

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 9:26 PM CST reply actions  

College teammates had a lot to say to each other, clearly heard Rose say "Don't forget" in microphone

Wonder if the two ever wanted to play on the same team as pros? Re-unite their college backcourt

by BuckEm on Jan 24, 2011 9:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

CDR:" Hey man, you ever think maybe we could get together on the same team? For old times sake?
Rose: “Nah, II’m fine with Bogans”
CDR: “….”

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Rose/CDR tete-a-tete

I caught that too. Lotta convo between the 2 former Memphis Tigers. What about??? Curious too.

by CDRFORTHEWIN on Jan 24, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey Frank, I guess you really chuckled when you heard Stacey King's "difference makers"

Looks like that man clearly did his homework. When can we all let up and admit CDR CAN BE a difference maker when given the opportunity? Say what you want about his D or whatever knocks you think of. Admit it once

by BuckEm on Jan 24, 2011 9:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Who's saying he's not a difference maker?

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

He can be a difference maker but he usually isn't

It was an unorthodox prediction! CDR is awesome … stop being so angry about people saying true things!

The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!

by Prevenge on Jan 24, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm listening to the new Aquabats CD!

Exclamation points are awesome!!!!!

The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!

by Prevenge on Jan 24, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I just can't figure him out

Sometimes he looks like he’s the solution to our woes and then he has nights where he totally disappears. I had high hopes for him before the season, and sometimes he’s lived up to those, others, not so much.

Might be time for Skiles to get him an expanded role in the offense, and that will involve a lot of practice time. Although, It’s not going to be the end all solution….Perhaps in the end, it’s either injuries or we just don’t have enough talent.

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I think a starting role and 23-25 mpg is right in line with his actual productivity this year

It’s not like Skiles limits his minutes, nor do they park him in the corner and not let him the touch the ball most nights…he’s a flow scorer and a lot of nights he simply can’t get himself good looks. If anything I appreciate the fact that he gives the ball up and doesn’t force 10-12 shots in those situations. Even in his supposedly limited role, his offensive efficiency has been mediocre at best this year (52.7%), so I don’t think a bunch of isos would help. When he does get it going you can ride him a bit, but that’s only here and there.

by Frank Madden on Jan 24, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Say what you want Frank, no Iso's? Ok did you see how well he worked the high pick with Bogut where he created his own shot PLENTY of times

His production is a direct result of his involvement period. You obviously can’t score 30pts on 4-6 looks a night

by BuckEm on Jan 24, 2011 11:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Trade him to the bulls!

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!

by Prevenge on Jan 24, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Bogans for CDR?

I’d do that… And perhaps the right to switch picks this year…

Fuck the Big Macs!

by BAB-Bass on Jan 25, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe if the Bulls threw in a second?

But hey, none of the Bucks people care, this is probably not a good indication. :P

doesn't like Keith Bogans.

by Prevenge on Jan 26, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, if 11 minutes is too much for Earl

Then I guess we’ll just have to hope Jennings comes back soon…

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

When Earl isn't on he hurts us. Takes pull up jumpers on 3 on 1 breaks. Disrupts ANY flow of the offense once he's in

Dribble the shot clock off , take a bad shot. Enough is enough. And yes, it is time for BJ to return. So Earl can be 3rd/4th string emergency

by BuckEm on Jan 24, 2011 9:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

He's on more than off

Most everyone else is off more than on.

by toasterrebound on Jan 24, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Temple should help, hopefully

I don’t think too much Boykins killed, but … he didn’t work out so much this game. It’s probably just that Derrick Rose is fsat and strong and stuff, and is also like a foot taller than Boykins, so that’s just … not good all around

The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!

by Prevenge on Jan 24, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Because of Salmons?

Looks like one of those nagging injuries.

by toasterrebound on Jan 24, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

So, Gery Woelfel was on the radio.

- Jennings will return Saturday.

-Bogut has a blood infection.

-Salmons’ hip really, really hurts

-Gooden’s foot won’t get better until the offseason.

In other words, we’re screwed, and there’s no way out. Tank, anyone?

I envy Clipper fans right now. Thanks, Kohl!

The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 24, 2011 10:43 PM CST reply actions  

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