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Brew Hoop Podcast #12: What is Michael Redd's Legacy with the Bucks?

If you are a Bucks fan, you certainly have an opinion on Michael Redd. He has experienced many transformations in a Bucks uniform, going from an unknown second-round pick, to a famous all-star and gold-medal SG, to an infamous player toiling away in obscurity while rehabbing his mangled knee ligaments. He has also morphed from a criminally underpaid role player, to a seriously overpaid professional scorer, to the "Michael Redd's Expiring Contract" piece thrown around haphazardly in trade scenarios.  

Despite these fluctuations in his perceived value and role, it is still fair to say that Michael Redd has remained the same in many important ways. For the entirety of his eleven-year career, Redd has been known by Bucks fans to be a devout Christian man who routinely made his way to center court for post-game prayers, and a charitable off-court personality dedicated to improving NBA communities in the Milwaukee area and beyond. As a player, you can make the argument that Redd has always been a "designated scorer" type who could offer his Bucks teams little more than volume scoring ability.

His legacy comes down to unfortunate timing. To draw upon the sentiments of two stock phrases: familiarity breeds contempt, while absence makes the heart grow fonder. At times during his career, Redd became all too familiar to Bucks fans tired of lax defense and losing seasons. At other times, his absence magnified the need for like-kind offensive talent, but even then he left us wanting upon his various returns to action. The timing never quite seemed to be right.

If you accept our premise that Michael Redd's career with the Milwaukee Bucks is effectively over, then please join us for a discussion on where that leaves his legacy with the franchise...  

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In this episode, Frank Madden and Steve von Horn provide some perspective on Michael Redd's eleven-year career with the Milwaukee Bucks. We specifically cover the following topics in detail:

  • Why we think Michael Redd has played his last game in a Bucks uniform. 
  • Will the franchise retire his jersey number. Should the franchise retire his jersey number? We trace his history with the Bucks and have a general discussion on whether his achievements merit celebration.
  • Evaluation of the meaning and significance behind his all-star appearance and his Olympic gold medal.
  • Definition of the "Michael Redd Era," how the teams he led fared, and how his 6-yr/$91mil contract has come to taint his overall legacy.

Listen to this episode on your smartphone by clicking here (or right click to save as an mp3).

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*Note: The instrumental song used in the background is called "Tonight," produced by The Beat Hero, available at www.thebeathero.com, and downloaded pursuant to a non-exclusive usage license.

Poll
As you reflect on Michael Redd's legacy with the Milwaukee Bucks, do you think he deserves to have his jersey number retired by the franchise?
Yes. He is the most important player of the past decade and his individual accomplishments merit the honor, irrespective of how his teams performed.
22 votes
Maybe. He's not the most deserving player awaiting the honor...guys like Glenn Robinson, Ray Allen, Marques Johnson, and Paul Pressey are ahead of him in line. Once those guys make it in, only then can the Redd issue be discussed.
61 votes
No. His individual achievements are overshadowed by the mediocrity of the teams he captained. The franchise is too successful to celebrate losing teams and lost eras.
58 votes

141 votes | Poll has closed

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57% click Maybe...Really?

What in the name of an assist are you waiting for? Look, this guy could shoot the lights out of the gym for three and half quarters. That was it. When money time came there was a lid on the basket, or he would dribble off his shoe, or throw a pass into the 200 concourse. He was not a closer, nor a leader, nor anything resembling the suitcases of money bestowed upon him…..The article is spot on in seperating -Mike the Man— from —-Michael the hoopster. It is what made trashing the guy so difficult; he was too nice, spirtitual, community minded (at the outset) and related inter-personal dynamics fitting the personal side. However, the ball player was limited to being a shooter, and in the right place at the right time to gather in plate-fulls of cash. I didn’t miss him was he was out, nor do I believe he’ll be missed when he signs with Chicago.

by ks13and1 on Oct 6, 2011 10:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Nah

Redd’s a great guy and an excellent shooter, but retire his number? can’t see it. he just wasn’t good enough.

by SoCalBucksFan on Oct 7, 2011 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Either I'm fussy or you're evil...

You gentlemen have a real knack of writing polls where I exclaim “Where’s None of the Above?”

Maybe I should make that: either you’re wicked or you have a wicked sense of humor. What else produces a line like: “The franchise is too successful to celebrate losing teams and lost eras.” Who’s defining success?

If “Glenn Robinson, Ray Allen, Marques Johnson, and Paul Pressey are ahead of him in line” then IMO that’s a list of good but not great players. Michael should fit right in. Maybe we could retire ONE number (of 3 or 4 digits) and say it applies to all of ’em.

by unklchuk on Oct 8, 2011 8:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Still unclear...

What you’re doing with the audiocasts.

It’s still rambling, repetitive chatting. Perfectly fine for a regular conversation that’s not being saved for history. Self-indulgent and unprofessional as a vehicle for “professional” sports commentary.

I can be blunt without remorse (I hope) because I respect your insight and commitment and repertorial skills. But IMHO the conversation goes round and around like a circle dance. Except that your dance doesn’t have music, and doesn’t have the pleasure of contact with individuals of the appropriate sex.

Either add some sex or trim the verbosity.

This is my last critique. From now on, I’ll assume these audiocasts are nowhere near the top of your Really Important list. That I’ve been taking them far more seriously than you are.

by unklchuk on Oct 8, 2011 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

My Guy!

Chu©k, I’m putting you down as a fan :)

I’ve always felt the podcast format has been meant to provide a window into a discussion and evoke a response in the listener. The podcast thing might not be your cup of tea, but I’d hope you take one more shot when the season kicks off…we have some plans to enhance the format without incorporating sex.

"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."

by Steve von Horn on Oct 8, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

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