My early picks for amnestied players around the NBA

by CanadaBucks on Nov 27, 2011 2:09 PM CST

The new CBA contains an amnesty clause allowing teams to dump one contract, here's how I think teams might use theirs.(If they choose to do so)

Feel free to argue or banter in the usual cheerful BrewHoop manner

Atlanta-How about a mulligan on Joe Johnson

Boston-Rasheed or Jermaine O'Neill would be my guess

Charlotte-Maggette, maybe we'll resign him

Chicago-Deng

Cleveland-Probably a slam dunk it's Baron Davis

Dallas-Smart money says Hayward(we interested?)

Denver-Al Harrington if anyone but I don't think they would let him go

Detroit-Ben Gordon by a nose over Charlie V.

GS-Monta?? Biedrins??

Houston-Maybe Scola or Martin if anyone

Indiana-Posey?

Clippers-Griffin ok reality check, kaman if anyone

Lakers-Son of the mountain man Luke Walton

Memphis-Do they take advantage of the chance by dumping Gay?

Heat-Could they dump Bosh? Or will it be Mike Miller? Or no one

Bucks-I think we stand pat unless we can find a your junk is better than my junk scenario

Wolves-Brad Miller's corpse(is that how it goes)would be the obvious choice but hey it's Kahn right.

Nets-If it's not Travis Outlaw someone needs their head examined.

Hornets-With 6 players under contract they may not use it , Okafur if they do would be my guess

Knicks-Don't see them using it unless they need to free up Billups contract to sign someone

Thunder-Depends how they feel about Perkins, they may hold this for a bit

Orlando-Bet they voted hard for this rule...........Bye agent 0

Philly-You would think Brand \

Phoenix-Maybe another chance to change last years mistake, how about Childress

Portland-Roy?

Sac-Town-Please don't tell me we will resign Salmons

San Antonio-Parker or Jefferson, I'll vote Parker

Toronto-Will BC own up and cut ties with Bargs......I doubt it, maybe Calderon

Utah-Tough call here, Jefferson or Harris maybe or they let it slide another year.

Ok forgot the Wiz-How could they not dump Rashard Lewis

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Detroit- Hamilton?

I thought he had been identified as the poison pill.

by Southern Marxist on Nov 28, 2011 6:44 AM CST reply actions

Monta Ellis and Luol Deng are the only two that don't belong on this list.

Otherwise, I like your instincts here, Canada.

Good to see you again as well!

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by Steve von Horn on Nov 28, 2011 9:18 AM CST reply actions

I’ve been lurking around but felt there wasn’t much to say. Southern Marxist might have a point about Rip though. Do you not think the Bulls might be looking at Deng’s contract though, 3 years 40m? Rose gets 30% of the cap and you got Boozer and Noah? And the only reason I included Monta was that I figured someone would pick him up and pay him fairly well which would means the Warriors would probably not have to pay out much. Who knows………….

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by CanadaBucks on Nov 28, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions

I see Deng as an LRMAM who can actually put up 15 points per game, so he just has too much defensive value.

The cap angle is interesting with the Bulls, but I think Deng means too much to their defensive system. As for Boozer, he’d seem like the perfect guy to get out of there…

With regards to Monta, there have to be better deals out there…an expiring and a draft pick would still be better than eating some portion of remaining salary for nothing more than the “privilege” of not having a supremely talented offensive player on your team anymore.

I think the Warriors are actually in a pretty good cap position right now as well, but then again, they haven’t had to pay Steph Curry yet.

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by Steve von Horn on Nov 28, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

Bulls won't get a better player than Deng, at least not through free agency this year...

He’s overpaid but I don’t think he’s so ridiculously overpaid that they’d axe him.

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by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions

Something tells me that Atlanta might not be so willing to give up on Joe Johnson quite yet

They’re stubborn like that. But it could happen.

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by Jacob Grinyer on Nov 28, 2011 7:15 PM CST reply actions

Depends on how much a next team would be willing to pay the man. He's still a good player...for now...

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by Steve von Horn on Nov 28, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions

Do I understand the amnesty correctly?

The player will still receive the full sum of the life of his current contract in the form of a buy out, then released onto free agency? The team just doesn’t take that salary against their salary cap? For example, Joe Johnson get about $100 million buy out so that the Hawks take about $20 mil from their cap.

If that’s the case, there is a 0% chance that Joe Johnson gets a $100 million buy out. Overpaid players with 2 years or less will be the first in line to go on most teams. Heinrich or Marvin Williams will be the top 2 candidates in Atlanta…most likely Heinrich b/c Jeff Teague is ready.

It’s unreasonable to expect the Bucks to use the amnesty on Udrih or Gooden in terms of money spent. Dooling or Brockman are more likely candidates just for the purpose of opening an additional roster spot.

by FearTheDeer on Nov 28, 2011 10:21 PM CST reply actions

Good Points

And I’m not sure that many teams will even use the amnesty as a lot depends on how it works, for instance:

1. IS there a deadline to declare i.e. before the regular season begins?
2. If contract costs are mitigated by a player signing with another team, how much incentive is there for the other team to offer more money e.g. Joe Johnson is getting 20M a year no matter what so if the Hawks release him and I want to resign him can I pay him 1M per year? What would be the cap cost if that was the case, 1M or 20M.
3. Do teams under the cap get in bidding wars for these players or is it like waiver claims?

I would think Arenas might be a sure thing, maybe Lewis and that could be it.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Nov 29, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions

I think the cost mitigation will be fairly small for the big contract guys

Teams only get their buyout obligations offset if a team with cap space bids for them…and honestly if a guy is worth a lot of money on the open market he wouldn’t be getting released. But their cap hit disappears entirely, so there’s a huge cap benefit.

Overall I’d be surprised if more than 8-10 guys get amnesty’ed…I think aside from some of the no-brainers (Arenas, Lewis,etc) many teams will play wait and see, especially since there’s a limited number of really attractive free agents out there. And I think GMs will be especially hesitant to immediately waive guys they just signed (like Gooden) given there’s no immediate deadline on using it.

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by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions

Do you think it depends on tax implications too?

If the tax hit is gone then aren’t you at least saving the value of the contract(can’t remember if it’s dollar for dollar) plus dropping your cap hit. And your last line might be spot on, kind of like admitting failure, although will the Nets dump Outlaw?

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Nov 30, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions

Outlaw probably the best candidate among last year's signings

And you’re correct about the tax piece—that would mean cash savings, though I’m not sure how many teams other than Lakers are in really deep ish there.

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by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions

Wizards won't use amnesty on Rashard Lewis

I believe each team is required to spend a minimum of X% of the salary cap. Therefore, the Wizards who are so far under the cap, need Lewis to fill that remaining Y% because most of their players are on rookie contracts. I could lots of rebuilding teams like Detroit and Cleveland not using the amnesty to remove bad contracts as long as they aren’t over the cap. Moreso I think teams that are just above the cap and tax threshold use the amnesty to get under them, if they have a bad contract.

by FearTheDeer on Dec 1, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions