Bucks Media Day: Stephen Jackson And Andrew Bogut On Expectations
On Media Day, no matter the weather, it is always sunny.
Everyone is tied for first place, everyone feels and looks good, and everyone is on the same page.
Last year on Media Day, Corey Maggette was a self-described "team player" who would play "hellified defense" and was "happy to be in Milwaukee." Maggette was traded after the season. Andrew Bogut was "working on" his 18-footer, which he hoped would "open up" his game. He shot 0-28 from beyond 15 feet. And Chris Douglas-Roberts "loved" being a Buck.
Saturday morning at the Cousins Center in St. Francis, the mood was again almost universally rosy -- predictably though perhaps also genuinely. Nonetheless, two of the best players and most candid interviewees seemingly contrasted each other on one subject: creating and managing expectations.
Stephen Jackson, standing in the painted area under the basket on the east side of the court, venturesomely declared that any teammate merely striving to make the playoffs (which neither his Bobcats nor the Bucks reached last season) was setting goals too low. Far too low.
"If guys come in here not focused on a championship, just making the playoffs, we need to trade them. We need to be talking about a championship and nothing else. You can't limit yourself to just playoffs. Who wants to do that? Playoffs is not really an achievement to me. Anybody can get to the playoffs."
Minutes earlier, Bogut, facing reporters outside the three point line on the same side of the court that Jackson stood, warned about the dangers of last year's high expectations and explained why the team is better positioned this year with a relatively lower and quieter profile.
"We didn't handle being a frontrunner very well. We like to be in the back of the pack and then sneak up on people. Last year we headed into the season, and I spoke to a lot of you guys (media), and I didn't like a lot of the labels we were getting from the start. I tried to keep playing it down. Because we had a young team, and for guys to hear that we are a playoff team, possibly second round or third round. I was like, we aren't there yet, you know, we still have a lot of work to do. We have only made the playoffs one time in the last four years. I think our best move is to be close to the back of the field and catch up."
For once, it seemed, everyone was not on the same page at Media Day. Two of the strongest personalities and talented players on the team did not speak in terms of a company line or with simply unadulterated optimism. They spoke with different messages, confidently, and from experience: Jackson's eighth-seeded Golden State Warriors shocked the Dallas Mavericks in 2007; Bogut's Bucks fell miserably flat last year after hopes of a division title. Ultimately though, they are not necessarily on different pages at all, because both spoke with the same underlying motives: keeping teammates engaged, motivated, and primed to win.
It is clear that both Jackson and Bogut are conscious in their efforts to rally teammates and manage their goals. That they naturally arrive at vastly different ways to do so may cause disharmony. Just as likely, it may not.
After all, one of the central themes behind the offseason personnel re-shuffling was to find a balanced mix of players, both with respect to in-game strengths as well as personalities. As Assistant GM Jeff Weltman told me this summer:
You want a balanced mix of guys, some of whom will lead, some of whom will follow, some of whom will kind of keep it light. But the overriding thing, all of whom are going to be professional, going to work hard, going to support one another, and are going to represent the organization well.
That is the starting point. And after there, you kind of break into, how do these guys all coexist? And at the end of the day, those things are really hard to predict. And ultimately it is going to depend on the character of the individual.
As the logic follows, just as you would not want 12 Andrew Boguts on your team on the court because the Australian is not a point guard or shooting guard or small forward or power forward, you also would not want 12 Stephen Jacksons on your team in the locker room because a roster cannot be filled from top to bottom with outspoken alpha types.
Whether a team is well-suited to have one Andrew Bogut and one Stephen Jackson as two of its primary on-court players and two of its foremost personalities?
That in part will determine whether GM John Hammond and Weltman found the right mix this time. It will in part determine, no matter the weather, whether it will still be sunny in Milwaukee when the playoffs tip in April, when the Finals tip in June.
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Not sure yet how to take Jackson
But I’m pretty sure one doesn’t carefully analyze the exact words he uses. Think he paints with a broad brush, so he has to be interpreted according to what one knows about his true motivations. Think he throws a lot against the wall to see what sticks for folks. If his motivations are aligned with Bucks’ needs, I think he’ll be a leader. If not, he may slip to mostly blowing hot air. I’m cautiously optimistic.
I'm glad Alex dug up that Weltman quote
I haven’t spent a lot of time in an NBA locker room, but I do agree that you need a balance of personalities and I think Jax’s unique persona can be a positive in the NBA. A group of 15 hyper-rational types doesn’t strike me as optimal, though it may be less combustible.
by Frank Madden on Dec 11, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
"Cautiously optimistic? Go to church."
by MadTown Hoops on Dec 11, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
why does haste make waste?
I wanted “thank you jax” to appear here, obviously. But I hasted, and it went to the wrong spot.
Repeal the law that haste makes waste. Do it now.
It was done too hastily. A law declaring waste makes haste was codified though.
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by Steve von Horn on Dec 11, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Just glad Milwaukee doesn't have any decent strip clubs
And Beansnappers is quite the drive. Jackson is the kind of player that does fine as long as he avoids clubs and situations involving Metta World Peace. Kind of like Kanye and awards shows. By the way, I am in no way a Lakers fan but I have got to get that jersey.
by MadTown Hoops on Dec 11, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
If he would have said
I like to set lofty goals because if they’re easy goals to reach, what’s the point. My goal every year is to win the NBA Championship and I think everyone should have that mind set, don’t be content no matter what.
It might have sounded a bit better, so I agree with chuk’s prognosis.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Agreed.
Hopefully he and Bogut don’t but heads.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 11, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
I love how the trades involving the Bucks have us trading Bogut to get Andrew Bynum, as if that were some kind of an upgrade. I am glad to say Bogut is a Buck for the foreseeable future.
by MadTown Hoops on Dec 11, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
S.J.'s Dark Side to emerge when>>>
I have little if any knowledge about Jackson’s fondness for Strip Clubs as a reason to derail, but, I can almost assure you of something that will. Losing. Melt downs occurr with more frequency when SJ finds himself stuck in losing. Team is playing shetty. Guys are making….dumb mistakes. Here’s hoping we’ve changed; knowing full well it is more a matter of “when” the dark side emerges, not “IF”?
Definitely easy for guys to get along when they're winning
I agree that the real test will come when the rough patches come. I fully expect Jax to play plenty and get as many shots as he wants (an underrated plus of playing for Skiles if you’re a player), so at the very least I don’t think he’ll cause problems for those reasons.
by Frank Madden on Dec 11, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, But ...
did Skiles or Hammond address their plans for backup center this season at media day?
Is the plan going to be the same as last year with Gooden, Sanders, and (gulp) Brockman serving as Bogut’s backup?
that horse needs to be beat
When is John Hammond going on the pro hops show again? I need to ask him myself. Is he content starting the season with the guys he has today? Does he have any intention of signing a real back up C so we don’t have to play a PF when Bogut takes a break?
by FearTheDeer on Dec 11, 2011 9:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't discount a trade for a backup C.
Of course, I have absolutely no idea who we would trade for, but….
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Dec 11, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
Marreese Speights probably available
The Sixers media and blogosphere seem fairly certain that he’ll be moved, but he might be a bit pricey trade-wise: still on his rookie deal, seems like a talented player who just didn’t fit with Sixers’ new coaching staff.
by Dan Sinclair on Dec 11, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
The offer on the table for Speights I read was
Speights to Denver for their 2nd round pick.
by FearTheDeer on Dec 11, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Denver is so desperate to fill out their roster, I am surprised they didn't offer a first
They only have 9 players on their training camp roster.
http://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/camp_coverage_2011.html
That has got to be tough for Coach Karl to deal with.
by Brick's house on Dec 11, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, cheaper than I'd have guessed
Why does Denver keep trying to take the players I want?
by Dan Sinclair on Dec 12, 2011 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
We could offer
The rights to Albert Miralles
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I like Speights, but he doesn't strike me as a guy the Bucks would go after
Hollinger termed him an “unmotivated” defender and for all his skills he’s been a middling efficiency guy as a scorer. I’m guessing the Bucks would prefer a more defensive-oriented banger to back up Bogut, but there’s obvious appeal in rolling the dice on a talent like Speights.
Ersan for him straight up works…just sayin :)
by Frank Madden on Dec 12, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Works for me :)
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Dec 12, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Turiaf could be a target as a sign and trade, Knicks want to unload him for some nonsense
He’s a decent enough backup, but nothing more.
by MadTown Hoops on Dec 12, 2011 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he got dumped to Washington
I would have liked to snap him up, but ah well…
by Frank Madden on Dec 12, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Can dead horses play backup center?
You know me, I’d still like McRoberts to join the fold, but I’d settle for anyone younger, cheaper and less injured than Przybilla.
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by Steve von Horn on Dec 11, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Dead horses?
Yes, they can play C. We’ve had some. They work cheap. But the cost of sugar cubes adds up. And don’t ever look a dead horse in the mouth. Major halitosis. I’d hope for a better solution. Fresh & minty…
by unklchuk on Dec 11, 2011 11:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I am surprised ESPN doesn't reject all Cris Paul trades for "basketball reasons"
Just to make the Trade Machine more realistic.
by Brick's house on Dec 11, 2011 11:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That trade would turn the Bucks into a pretty decent team!
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Dec 12, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
My dream trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c4qx8ty
No extension necessary, just need him to opt in on his player option.
























