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JS: Bucks match offer for Mbah a Moute
Luc Mbah a Moute was back at practice today for the first time--check out this positively adorable photo of him with Andrew Bogut--but he couldn't play as he awaited visa clearance. So Luc, excited to be back in Milwaukee?

"I'm still going to be playing as hard as I can when I get out there. I'm back in Milwaukee.

"I'm in a situation where I quadrupled my salary, and anybody in that situation should be happy."

OK, so he may not have been thrilled with the idea of returning to Milwaukee--inconsistent playing time, lack of clear role, yada yada--but at least he's pumped about, uh, well...the $18.7 million at least. It's a similar story for Bucks fans, many of whom were wary of overpaying Mbah a Moute but mostly fearful of losing a young player with an elite skill. In our weekend poll after the deal was announced, 77% favored the Bucks' decision to match.

Star-divide

Sure, Luc may never be a 35 mpg starter, and his offensive limitations will make it particularly difficult to give him major minutes at the small forward position where he excels defensively. But he'll probably earn the $4-5 million he'll be paid annually over the next four years even if he doesn't improve a lick, which is a nice thing to fall back on. At minimum, a healthy Mbah a Moute should be one of the league's very best wing defenders and good for 25 mpg. And if he does actually improve his jump shot or otherwise up his offensive game, his deal becomes an obvious bargain. At ESPN John Hollinger doesn't share my enthusiasm, though I also don't buy one of his main reasons.

The other reason I don't like this contract is because it took Milwaukee out of the amnesty derby. The Bucks would have had just more than $5 million in cap space to bid on players waived via the amnesty clause, such as Chauncey Billups or Richard Jefferson, but Mbah a Moute's deal soaked it up.

The amnesty auctions are interesting in that fairly high profile players can be had on the cheap and they don't have a choice in who gets them, which in all honesty does help small-market and otherwise "undesirable" destinations like Milwaukee. But you're also not going to find any young building blocks, and Chauncey Billups (perhaps the best player available) even went so far as to threaten retirement in order to avoid a lesser team making a claim on him. So do I think the Bucks would have been better off not matching Mbah a Moute just so they had a chance at putting in a claim on an amnesty casualty? Not really. Call me crazy, but I think I can live with the Bucks spending their money on Luc over Richard Jefferson.

Hollinger: Thumbs up for Dunleavy
Hollinger has nicer things to say about Mike Dunleavy.

Dunleavy is 31 and has a bad knee, too, but he played 61 games last season and was a better player than [Caron] Butler. I find this deal eminently reasonable and he will help fill out a Milwaukee wing rotation that was a bit short-handed last season.

Want to know more about Dunleavy? Check out Steve's dissertation on him. And if you'd prefer a first person account, Andrew Bogut has been plenty impressed with Dunleavy in the opening days of camp.

"He hasn't missed a shot all week besides that free throw at the end (Monday)," Bogut said.

"Literally, yesterday and the day before, he made every three he shot. He's another shooter we have to put next to Carlos (Delfino), and Beno (Udrih) is a backup point guard that can shoot the three.

JS: Tobias Harris and Larry Sanders sit out due to dehydration
Charles Gardner reports from day four of camp.

Bucks.com: Official camp roster
In case you missed it, here are the official number for the 11/12 squad. New players: Stephen Jackson (5), Shaun Livingston (9), Darington Hobson (11), Tobias Harris (15), Mike Dunleavy (17), Beno Udrih (19), Jon Leuer (30). Random fact: every number between 0 and 12 is now either in use or retired. D-Leaguers Ron Howard (Opie!) and Marcus Lewis are also in camp.

Bucksketball: Stephen Jackson says the darndest things
Alex wrote about the differing perspectives of Stephen Jackson and Andrew Bogut at media day, and Jeremy offers up a little more of the zaniness we've come to expect of Mr. Jackson. My favorite part:

"Who won the championship again? I didn't even watch the playoffs."

[Reporter says it was the Dallas Mavericks]

"Dallas sucks to me."

Twitter: Jon Leuer + Stephen Jackson = New Best Friends
I love it.

Woelfel: Hobson gets two year, partially guaranteed deal
Gery Woelfel reports that Darington Hobson does have some guaranteed money in his new Bucks deal (how much is unclear), which would seem to reinforce the notion that he's a good bet to make it through camp. Woelfel tweets that the deal is for two years and totals around $1.4 million, which would likely make it your run-of-the-mill minimum-level deal. I'll be curious to see how Leuer's deal compares.

Courtside Analyst: Bucks 11/12 win projection
Ty's initial run through the numbers suggests that the Bucks will most likely be a slightly above-.500 team.

Davis Dish: Mbah a Moute signing, keys to the season
Ted Davis offers his take on why the Mbah a Moute signing should be celebrated and what it will take for the Bucks to take a major step forward.

Journal Times: Sparky and Woelfel talk NBA
I recommend skipping the first 13 minutes (about the Chris Paul/Lakers thing).


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"Dallas sucks to me" doesn' quite feel right for a t-shirt motto, but it's gotta turn into something, doesn't it?

It doesn’t really bother me that Hollinger didn’t like the moves, because he really only made a halfhearted attempt to shat on them anyways. The Billups/Jefferson auction bids didn’t make much sense to me, but I think the Clips proven a basic point about the amnesty process: it always makes sense to submit a lowball bid on a proven guy with something left in the tank. Even if he says he will be upset to not be on a contender, teams under the cap can pickup legitimate assets (deadline fodder?) for incredible bargains.

For that reason alone I hope the Bucks stay a bit under the cap in case any amnesty guys that fit better are put up for a bid.

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by Steve von Horn on Dec 13, 2011 6:44 AM CST reply actions  

Unfortunately it's too late now...

Once the Mbah a Moute and Dunleavy deals were signed their cap space was gone, so while they have the cap space exception ($2.5 million) they can’t use that in an amnesty auction from what I understand. But that also underscores the riskiness of the process—because guys have been signing so quickly, you risk losing guys just for the chance to participate in the amnesty auctions. Moreover, players claimed via the amnesty auctions aren’t eligible to be traded during the season.

by Frank Madden on Dec 13, 2011 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah damn (on all counts). I suppose barring trades makes perfect sense, but the original idea still seems sound to me.

If you do have cap space, you can easily take a good gamble to get surplus value by putting in low-ball bids.

The corrects are important though, so thanks for making sure I’ve got the specifics clear now. Trade potential did seem too good to be true…

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by Steve von Horn on Dec 13, 2011 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm reaching, but,

…one wonders if by NOT signing “Prince” and allowing his departure, it would then leave BJ has the only draft pick on the roster with some proven worth. (And for some, that’s being gracious). Ouch Mr. GM.
Just wondering?
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I like the idea of leaving some cash available to play the “Amnesty Derby”. Why not? Take advantage of the offerings. Should it surprize anyone such choices are seemingly being passed over?
Just curious?
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Wouldn’t Hobson provide abit more versatility to the lineup, thus, be abit more appealing in this shortened bizzarre season then Leur? Just wondering?
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Anyone know what Glenn Robinson is up too these days? I’ve heard nothing about him since some rumor of his residence in ATL? Just curious how my fav. Buck is doing?

by ks13and1 on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think Hammond has done a bad job drafting.

Obviously Alexander was a big flaming bust, but Hammond was redeemed in the second round that year with LRMAM.

The next year was Jennings and Meeks. They gave up on Meeks to fast, but it doesn’t mean he was a bad draft pick.

Sanders had an up and down rookie year, but considering his draft position, he can’t be called a bust. Fans were disappointed that the Bucks didn’t get more out of their three 2nd round picks last year, but other than Landry Fields, it is hard to point out any 2nd rounders with success last year. This year Hobson has an opportunity to prove Hammond was right to give him an opportunity.

As far as Tobias Harris goes, I think he will surprise some people. He may struggle to get consistent minutes with a lot of veterans in front of him in the lineup at both the 3 and 4, but I think he will play well enough this year that Hammond will allow Delfino to walk after this season in order to open up minutes next year.

by Brick's house on Dec 13, 2011 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

Fingers crossed
but I think he will play well enough this year that Hammond will allow Delfino to walk after this season in order to open up minutes next year.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Dec 13, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Hammond was also behind some solid mid and late-round picks in Detroit

Stuckey, Prince, Delfino, Afflalo, Maxiell, etc.

So I’m not ready to poo poo him for his drafts just yet. If you aren’t in a position to get a superstar, you won’t get a superstar. He’s been getting value from where he has been picking in most cases.

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by Steve von Horn on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

true enough

but the Alexander pick was so far off that I wonder if someone in Joe’s family was blackmailing John or Herb re an affair years ago

by unklchuk on Dec 13, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

whats up lads...can I just get this confirmed we actually signed Mike Dunleavy jnr willingly?

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on Dec 13, 2011 1:08 PM CST reply actions  

If I say yes, do you promise to give him a chance? :)

http://www.brewhoop.com/2011/12/10/2624277/mike-dunleavy-milwaukee-bucks-signing-2011-analysis

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by Steve von Horn on Dec 13, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

haha what gave my sceptism away? Hey If I can spare a few minutes for Maggette I can sure as heck give Mike a few extra

seriously though Im open minded to what he can bring to this team, after last seasons miserable dispaly of shooting a basketball we could sure use some help…is our coach as open minded though?

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on Dec 13, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

plus of course I nearly forgot we dont have John Salmons on our books anymore so Im still in kinda a happy place

so lets go Mike ;)

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on Dec 13, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha! Glad you're in that happy place BJ's!

I found my happy place when I realised that there would be an NBA season and that I haven’t just wasted my long service leave :)

Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!

by Big Crazy Dave on Dec 13, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome back

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Dec 13, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

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