Stephen Jackson Putting Extension Talks Aside, Hope Springs Eternal For Bucks Offense
Woelfel: Jackson puts contract demands, injuries on back burner
Stephen Jackson has good news and bad news. The good news is that he seems to be grasping reality when it comes to an extension to his existing two year, $19 million contract (for the moment I'll ignore the annoying fact that this ever was news).
"I'm going to go ahead and let it die down," Jackson said. "Right now, I know it's not the time to talk about contracts or anything like that. It's about focusing on getting to the playoffs."
OK, so hopefully we won't have to talk about that for at least the next six months (small victories, eh?). However, the 33-year-old Jackson is still battling old age. Alas, time's remorseless arrow!
Jackson told reporters that one of the discs in his back is "completely gone," the casualty of career wear and tear. For better or worse, surgery isn't an option, so Jackson plans to play through it. What, you expected the Bucks to be completely healthy going into a season?
JS: Bucks offense gets a makeover
Everyone knows the Bucks offense was fairly unwatchable last year, which is why everyone wants to talk about how it might be better this year. So how might they do it?
"Actually our five-on-five sets are mostly the same," Delfino said.
"What has changed is our early offense; we try to play quicker. At the same time we're trying to know our new personnel."
Most people with an eye for X's and O's will tell you that the Bucks' offensive sets aren't dramatically different from the boiler plate around the league; it's not like Skiles is trying (and failing) to reinvent the wheel. But realistically you don't see an offense that's once-in-a-decade-bad without a confluence of contributing factors. A fundamental lack of offensive talent? Just look at the career true shooting percentages of everyone on their roster, which unfortunately hasn't dramatically improved. Injuries? Sure, there were plenty of those, with Andrew Bogut's ineffectual right arm perhaps the most damaging even when it wasn't keeping him out of the lineup. Getting him back to somewhere close to full strength would obviously be huge.
Another obvious part of the story is Skiles, who has never coached a top-20 offensive team in his career. Part of that is simply the byproduct of stressing defensive effort and responsibility; there's no leaking out and saving wind for the offensive end in Milwaukee. But clearly Skiles can't be absolved of blame either, though I'd argue it's probably not for the reasons many casual observers might expect. Skiles is often painted as an unrelenting disciplinarian, but that ignores the long leash he's given his most inefficient scorers. He's always been surprisingly tolerant of Jennings' shot selection, encouraged Drew Gooden to shoot more threes a year ago and has always spoken of wanting Andrew Bogut to shoot more jumpers as well, despite all evidence against it. In truth it seemed less about strategy and more about instilling confidence and taking pressure off his players. It just didn't work, and on some level you wonder if Skiles may have ended up not being offensively disciplined enough with players like Jennings, Salmons and Gooden.
Realistically we should expect the Bucks to improve offensively, if for no other reason than a group of professional basketball players can't seem to get much worse--if you're into math or evolutionary biology (and who isn't!), it's somewhat akin to the drunkard's walk problem. Health, confidence and hopefully some internal improvement will hopefully do a bit more, but don't expect vast improvements. The one area that could help the most is one Alex has written about extensively and which Delfino also referenced: the Bucks' intent to up their pace. Let's hope it finally happens.
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Michael Hunt isn't happy with the Bucks' lack of size behind Andrew Bogut. Something tells me he's not alone, but until further notice we'll just have to deal with the imperfect solution of Gooden, Jon Brockman, Larry Sanders and Ersan Ilyasova.
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Speaking of Bogut, Steve's hoping Santa has good news for the oft-injured big man.
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SBNation.com: 2011-12 Preseason All-Division Teams
Both Andrew Bogut and Brandon Jennings were voted to the All-Central team by our panel of SBN writers. Full disclosure: I actually had Jennings on the second team. The league-wide award predictions are right here.
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Herb mad at Bucks toy again
Isn’t this picture too familiar by now. This is once again one of those many years where Kohl has just become sick and tired with this team and his edict is no more deals and no more $ will be expended. Its obvious that the Bucks badly needed players to fill the PF spot and a backup center. Yet the Bucks have shown they are not even remotely interested in making any such move. Okur and Humphries go off for a song to the Nets, and that just begins the list, with no indication that Buck’s management lifted a finger to acquire either. Say what you want about either of those players- compared to Brockman, Gooden, Ilyasova (the latter of which was dismal this summer in FIBA play) those acquisitions would have been a substantial improvement. Mbah a Moute is not a PF- he defends 3s effectively and that is all there is to his game. This is a lottery team like last year. Jennings will play his butt off for the sake of free agency, and besides feeling a bit sorry for the handful of Buck fans that still remain, I certainly think that Bogut deserves better than Herb Kohl. Actually- so does Milwaukee- maybe.
Okur may have gone for a song
But his contract is still crazy. Not sure we really needed Hump in an already crowded PF situation either, I watched him play in Toronto and he’s nothing to write home about.. I can understand the frustration but i don’t think it’s Herb just a lack of quality people to choose from.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I think spending too little money is the least of Herb's problems
New Jersey used a big trade exception to get Okur, but the Bucks had neither a trade exception nor cap space to absorb his salary. I’m not sure what they could have offered Utah, which clearly just wanted to shed salary and found a team with the cap flexibility to do it. The Bucks would have had to send out someone like Gooden, Udrih, or Jax to make the deal work cap-wise, and I don’t see Utah interested in taking on any of them for salary reasons. As for Humphries, the Bucks also didn’t have the cap space to offer him something similar to what New Jersey did.
by Frank Madden on Dec 23, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
Herb mad at Bucks?
Sounds plausible enough. Is it any more than a guess on your part? Herb does blow hot & cold. For a while he trusted Larry Harris. Then lost trust, and Harris couldn’t do anything. Has he lost trust in Hammond? Is he pissed at the city fathers or the fans? Or is he just starting to phase out of the NBA game?
Or is this just a team that likes to look quiet on the outside when they may be busy on the inside. An effect strengthened by a J-S sports dept who will report no news before the Bucks think it’s time.
And is this speculation just pre-season aimless chatter?
herb mad
let me preface this by saying I have never posted any opinions about the Bucks, and just for this reason. Unklchuk," plausible aimless chatter" really is not coherent.
I have no desire to stifle
…your participation here. I’ll be glad to say nothing in your direction from now to eternity, or until you grow a skin. Whichever comes first.
Plausible – because what you offered jibes with behavior I’ve observed. As I described.
Aimless chatter – that wasn’t aimed at you. I asked if it was anything more than an opinion. Because if it wasn’t, my taking off from it was likely aimless chatter on my part.
The “grow a skin” comment may sound like sarcasm. But it’s more. It’s shorthand for: Why avoid saying something you care about enough to put into words just because somebody coming from who the hell knows where may criticize it? The ciricism does Nothing to you – and you’re being bigger than the criticism lets you grow.
Forgive the unsolicited advice. But I used to be as “shy” as you sound, and it took me half a friggin’ century to get past it. I flat out can’t imagine why I wasn’t able to do it many years ago. I wasted a lot of time.
I can vouch for the fact that chuk has no malice when he pushes back, it's just a method of advance the conversation and probing for more.
Chuk is always open for an adult conversation. Considering I’ve gone back and forth with regarding everything from the efficacy of advanced stats to the utility of our podcasts, I can’t imagine he approaches a new conversation with a new commenter in a way any different from his back-and-forth with staff.
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by Steve von Horn on Dec 23, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
I could have apologized
…for saying things that could be seen as attacking criticism. If we’re responsible for the result, not the intention, it would have been a courteous thing to do. And I could have meant what I said: I’m sorry if I offended. That’s true.
But as I viewed it in the moment, that would have just confirmed the “injury” and led to you likely thinking this wasn’t the place for you. You probably would have gone back to lurking or left.
What you said was interesting. That’s why I replied. My vote is for you to stay and say more.
So… it struck me that it might be a breath of fresh air to say with emphasis that you can offer an opinion here, and in reality be untouched by someone differing from your opinions. This is a good forum. Contrasting opinions build — they don’t tear down. That’s a big difference.
Couldn't help noticing the tweets on the left hand side of the page
And the fact that Mike Dunleavy’s over/under for ppg is 10.5. I am not a gambling person but if I was that seems like a no-brainer.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Those tweets are fun to watch. Frank has some great stuff he posts at nearly any hour of the day, ranging from soccer commentary to NBA talk. Good times.
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by Steve von Horn on Dec 23, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
SJax
Well, I suppose it’s good he’s not angling for an extension while talking about his back being damaged. But the comment about having five years left in his career is pretty telling.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Jax is only here for a yr - similar to R Jefferson.
As long as he has a decent yr, I’d think his skills and expiring contract would be appealing to some teams in the offseason.
Think Jackson is just
Maggette/Salmons backlash
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

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