Draft discussion. (It had to happen sooner or later)
It wouldn't be a Milwaukee Bucks season without hoping that the ping pong balls roll your way, amiright?
If the lottery were to start today, the Bucks would begin with the 9th worst record in the league and and a 1.7% chance of landing the #1 pick. Draft Express pegs us with John Henson out of North Carolina as our pick. Here is DraftExpress's complete mock draft.
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I haven't seen all these guys, but I'm not a big fan of Jared Sullinger, personally
The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy
Herb Kohl needs to fire himself.
Sully's not exactly the prototype addition for a team lacking athleticism...
But the dude’s a beast. Maybe a poor man’s Kevin Love? Or is he the next Sean May? My guess is that he’ll be a very productive pro.
by Frank Madden on Feb 14, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
He cant be a bust
too strong and physical. 6’10, I’ve heard 260 lbs. And he actually has a decent midrange shot that he doesnt use much cause he can just get to the rim or post up. But he will be gone by the time the Bucks select.
I gots to put the team on my back, doh.
by BlackPack-fan on Feb 14, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he'll be a bust.
But I don’t think he’ll be a star either.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 14, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
sounds like the perfect Bucks player eh
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
by ILIKEBJ'S on Feb 15, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 15, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
At least if we are at 9 or below in the lotto
I’d pass on the John Henson, rather have Harrison from UNC. We already have a young PF prospect who’s rail thin.
You don't want a 200 pound PF???
Henson’s an intriguing talent, but damn he looks raw…200 pounds and 39% from the free throw line. Instant impact!
by Frank Madden on Feb 14, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...Pass on Henson....
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 14, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Henson too much of a project, Id take T. Jones
Jones is a combo forward and can shoot the ball. Would be instant-impact but could make big improvements like lateral quickness so he could play SF.
I gots to put the team on my back, doh.
by BlackPack-fan on Feb 14, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
Id rather take Jones. Look what I wrote above.
I gots to put the team on my back, doh.
by BlackPack-fan on Feb 14, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I want him more then Barnes...
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 19, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Barnes is really horrible at creating his own shot
if you want to see more jump shot offense look no further!
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
You're probably right to a point
He seems pretty jump shot oriented, but he’s had is moments.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 17, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
And I know nothing about the European prospects here.
Does anybody here?
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I read up on Vesely last year
Intriguing physical talent, but still a project and I’m worried he wants to be a 6’11" small forward. But I love that he tries to tear the rim off whenever he drives.
by Frank Madden on Feb 14, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Some people have called him the European Blake Griffin...
Not completely accurate, but It gets people excited…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 14, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm ...
We saw a lot of YouTube clips last year showing Sanders dunking the ball.
He's still shown he can dunk more then anyone else on the Bucks ;)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 26, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
All we need is the Pistons, Clippers and Nets to go on an epic 30 game win streak to close out the year and we're good
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I'd pass on Henson and take Leuer...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 14, 2011 10:19 PM CST reply actions
Heh, maybe a bit later on ;)
Projected in the 2nd round
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 14, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Ridiculous if that's the case.
Henson has done…what, exactly? Play for UNC?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 14, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
Please understand
I’m highly skeptical of someone who’s a sub-50% free throw shooter, averages more than twice as many turnovers per game (2.1) as he does assists (0.8) and who can’t shoot the three, period.
I’m just a little higher on a guy who makes his free throws (84.9%), can shoot the 3 (43.5% from beyond the arc) and hauls in rebounds in a tough, tough league…
The ACC is just awful this year, and Henson’s 2.9 blocks per game is going to wear off FAST come tourney time…or decent officiating…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 14, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
I hear ya
I don’t want Henson either. I like Leuer a lot as a college player but I think the Bucks could do better with a top 10 pick.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 14, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Leuer would be awesome in the 2nd rd.
And he should be available. But Leuer at #9? Na. Take Barnes, Jones, or even Brandon Knight (a combo guard who can flat out score).
I gots to put the team on my back, doh.
by BlackPack-fan on Feb 15, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Like Vesely and Barnes, depending on where we pick
I’m still buying into Harrison Barnes as the so-called “obvious top pick” at the beginning of the season. His production hasn’t been great, although it’s picked up quite a bit lately, but he still has incredible physical talent and from what I’ve heard he’s a great teammate.
Vesely has HUGE upside though. His position is kinda strange, what with being a paradoxical small forward, but the athleticism is incredible. The only thing that worries me is memories of Joe Alexander. Even if Vesely can jump REALLY high, can he actually PLAY the game effectively?
www.Brewhoop.com, http://where55happens.wordpress.com
My biggest question is which position he defends
If you’re an offensive tweener that’s not necessarily a bad thing—done right you can take advantage of mismatches—but defensively you’ve gotta be able to line up at a single position night in and night out if you want to be more than a role player. And it really scares me when teams try to make a guy that big (6’11", listed at 240 though that seems inflated) play SF. Remind me how many good 6’11" small forwards there are in the NBA?
by Frank Madden on Feb 15, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Jared Jef--wait, curse your extra adjectives.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
personally I hope we draft someone who can shoot efficiently at a wing position, just seems like a no brainer
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Freddette
Scoring is what he does, but he also seems like a good personality (after watching him on Jim Rome) and plays hard.
by FearTheDeer on Feb 16, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Jimmer will not be a good pro.
He won’t even be as good as JJ Redick.
That being said, I hope somebody screws up & drafts him way too high.
Slowly negating baseball nerdery on BrewCrewBall.
JEO's Fantasy Football team sucked.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 19, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
If Barnes is available, you pick him, no questions asked.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 17, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Meant to add...
I’m surprised DX has him pegged that low. I realize he’s disappointed, but he’s still a great talent and has picked it up as of late. Although this mock is from the 4th so he could move up in the next mock.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 17, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
But I can definitely see wanting someone else at the 7-10 range if Barnes doesn't significantly improve the rest of the year
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 17, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
Reminds me a bit of DeRozan
Not in terms of game so much as how he was a consensus one-and-done guy coming into college who struggled out of the gate and then came around a bit over the course of the year. Curious how the potential lockout may affect the decision-making process for younger guys like him who could improve their stock with another year…
by Frank Madden on Feb 18, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefully he's not the next OJ Mayo
I was hearing OJ Mayo’s name when Lebron was still in HS. He would have easily been the #1 pick b4 the 19yo rule much like Harrison. However, I agree with taking Barnes if he’s available.
by FearTheDeer on Feb 18, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Or you can get
The Marcus Dupree type who is lights-out in HS and for whatever reason never takes it consistently to the next level. But Barnes FTW if available
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
by CanadaBucks on Feb 18, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I hope we dont draft a shooting guard, Id much rather watch Salmons grind through 82 games
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Brian Skinner now plays on the same team as Donatas Motiejunas in Italy.
Ain’t that lovely.
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they have a whole fat and skinny slapstick routine going
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
What is Brian Skinner doing in Italy?
Honestly, did he lose all his money in the recession? He just seems too old to be playing in Europe.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
He provides plenty of comic relief I imagine.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 15, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
He probably just doesn't want to quit yet
Can’t blame him for that.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
For patriotic reason
Kris Joseph in Round 2 please. Love to see an athletic scorer type in Round 1.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Harrison Barnes, Chris Singleton,
are the names that instantly come to mind when I read “athletic scorer”. Brandon Knight can also score and he’s a combo guard but he’s a bit small to play SG (6’3 185).
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Feb 21, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Are there no true PFs anymore?
Looking at the stats of some of the 4s ranked high and all of them shoot a fair amount of 3s. What I would give for a Truck Robinson/Maurice Lucas type but I guess it’s not glamourous enough.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Derrick Williams?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze3NXkUmLKA
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 21, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I mean he shoots the 3 too but not as often as some guys
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 21, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Sullinger is about as pure a power forward as you will find.
Not much glam in his game.
by Brick's house on Feb 22, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Not athletic enough
I agree with Frank on that.
Anybody want to draft Jimmer Fedrette?
The UFC is a place where they will pay you tens of thousands of dollars for you to fight but only 1 dollar for your soul.
by communication-breakdown on Feb 22, 2011 3:29 PM CST reply actions
He can only play point guard
The only problem is he is too small to play SG so he would just backup Jennings. I do think he will be a very good NBA player. But we can’t settle for a backup PG in the lottery. We need to think athletic scorer like Barnes or Derrick Williams. If he fell down into the 20s we could trade into the first round for him.
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Feb 22, 2011 8:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He wouldn't be backing up Jennings if BJ keeps playing like he did the week before the All-Star Break...
Yeesh. Your PG should NOT be killing your offense.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 22, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Williams intrigues me
Doesn’t have ideal size for the 4 but seems like he has the athleticism/scoring skill to be a very good player.
by Frank Madden on Feb 22, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Trade Jennings and parts for the number 1 pick and Irving
by ThroughBeingCool on Feb 23, 2011 10:21 PM CST reply actions
Im not sold on letting Jennings go
He’s only 21 years old.
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Feb 24, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
i agree on that Im willing to see how he goes next season, everyone has kinda regressed so its hard to judge
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
How does this happen?
How is it that the Clippers shop Baron Davis and their 2011 unprotected 1st round pick and the Bucks sit on their hands. I can come up with several permutations of player trades from the Bucks roster that appeal more to the Clippers than Mo Williams and Jamario Moon.
Really?
That take 10M+ off the Clips payroll each of the next two seasons? Moon has a team option(i’d tend to bet that that won’t be picked up), Davis is owed 28.8M over the next two seasons compared to Mo’s 17M over the same time. I think the Clips won huge on this deal, can’t see Cleveland’s POV though. Maggette and Jennings maybe, not sure the Clips would have bitten on that one though.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Davis's FAIL will be an excellent fit for the Cavaliers...
A MOST excellent fit indeed…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 24, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry thats's 10m over 2 seasons
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Cavs trade shows desire to re-build quickly
Cavs know they are in Cleveland so tradable assets and draft picks are most useful. I think both teams win, but Cleveland basically paid $9-12 million for a second top 10 pick. Thats something to the effect of Kyrie Irving/Perry Jones and Terrance Jones/Harrison Barnes/Kemba Walker. I don’t think they cared the slightest bit about Baron Davis’ play, they strictly wanted that pick, but if he won’t agree to a buyout, he’s an upgrade for the Cavs.
by FearTheDeer on Feb 25, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Not all "Big white players" are made equal ;)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 26, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Saw Jimmer play for the first time....
Very Impressive, he has a lot of confidence, can score in a lot of different ways and makes a lot of good passes. He also tries to force things a lot though, but when you score as much as he can I guess you can afford too…
I think the only problem would be that for a team looking to get more athletic like the Bucks he’s not the kind of player you would want. But he can create his own shot.
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Don't you think that
Utah is drooling over the chance to get him?
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I was thinking the same thing Haha
Utah’s wishing they had their lottery pick one year later.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 27, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Don't they have the Nets though?
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
by CanadaBucks on Feb 27, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, that was supposed to be in the Deron Williams deal
Dreams may come true…
by Frank Madden on Feb 27, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, forgot about that.
And if they continue going down they could end up getting a higher pick anyway, with how strong the Western conference is (as always).
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 27, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Saw Vesely on NBATV yesterday
I only saw about 20 minutes of his game against Real Madrid but he looked about how I expected from reading about him. Played SF, looked to post smaller defenders, played with a ton of energy and emotion, active defensively. The only guy he really reminded me of was Kirlenko, but I always hate comparing young players to established players who have very atypical games…for better or worse, AK47 is a very unique player and I’m skeptical Vesely would every get to that the elite level defensively. But he’s probably more athletic and is similar in terms of having that tweener style.
He’d be an intriguing guy to take in the late lottery, but I have to think he’d be a bit of a project rather than someone who could come in immediately and contribute (which isn’t typical for late lotto picks anyway).
There is a good, if a bit long, story about Perry Jones in the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/magazine/mag-13Player-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all
Seems to me, the issue with Jones is a lack of aggression or killer instinct. He reminds me of Derrick McKey or Marvin Williams in that respect. Players with immense skills and athletic gifts that lacked the killer instinct to be top level players.
I certainly got that impression from watching him.
And thus, I do not want him.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 9, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Not that we will have the chance to get him
But I think he’ll either be a bust or be a Michael Beasley type that spends a few years in mediocrity and then becomes a pretty good player that puts up a lot of stats but can’t do much else.
I think the overall mindset of the player you’re drafting is very important.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 9, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
speaking of drafts...
how has this years bunch of rookies gone? havent really followed it and havent read anything much about guys standing out, all been about Blake Griffin…..so Im assuming it has been a lean year?
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
John Wall
is putting up 15 pts 9 assts. Heres the NBA.com T-Mobile Rookie Ladder
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Mar 9, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
If you look at the top 10
All but Neal, Turner and Fields are on lousy teams and are getting lots of burn because of quality of teammates and being out of the playoff picture. I would say that considering how deep last years draft was supposed to be it’s surprising that there hasn’t been more big contributors, especially from the 2nd round.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
by CanadaBucks on Mar 12, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
seems like the game changing talent in each draft is pretty diluted
the top pick seems to be a real star but after that there is talent but its pretty raw or comes with some issues
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Which is why
The 8th seed>9-15 in the draft Go Bucks!
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
seems like the cursed pick is the 2nd pick in the draft these days
Michael Beasley Derrick Favors Hasheem Thabeet ouch
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Jury's still out on Favors
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 13, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
jury is out on all of them I guess, which is hardly what you expect wih the 2nd pick
I know its not an exact science but to me it seems the quality of talent these days is pretty thin, or needs alot of development, or maybe it’s always been that way apart from a few real quality drafts?
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I think it was better
When most players went 4 years but could be that I’m just stuck in the past. Still had busts then(LaRue Martin, Sam Bowie etc.)but I think it’s trying to project what players could be not what the actually are. The NHL draft has suffered as well since they lowered the age limit, it used to be most first rounders would step right in, now it’s a yeart of two of development. Hard to do that in the NBA though
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
its an interesting question
in recent years over in our AFL comp as the the under age competitions have developed and training and scouting has improved you get a lot more kids who are 18-19 who can step in and play straight away as they are physically more mature and mentally better prepared for the increased professionalism and training regime, about 15-20 years ago it was basically hit or miss with what you got
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
After watching clips of everybody....
Vesely all the way! I want him on the Bucks b/c the kid looks exciting and fearless. I’ll be advocating for him from now on.
Not sure if I want another European
or any overseas prospect. I’m done wishing for those guys to be honest, especially with how Yi turned out.
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Mar 15, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
cmon how could you not have been impressed with Yi work out before the draft back then
he really schooled those plastic chairs, the stupidity of Larry Harris, im kinda 95% sure he just took Yi out of spite because his handlers had kinda said they would not be pleased about being drafted by Milwaukee
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Defending the Yi pick
Outside of Joakim Noah, there was no one in that draft to pick at 6. The next 5 picks were Corey Brewer, Brandon Wright, Joakim Noah, Spencer Hawes, and Acie Law. Honestly, Yi has had a better career so far than all of them except Noah who refused to play for Milwaukee. It was just a really WEAK draft, one of the weakest ever. When the draft is lacking talent, why not draft the guy who will raise your television ratings tremendously and peak interest in one of the largest internation markets. The pick of Yi basically was because their was no other talent left in the draft and here’s a possible upside pick with instant profits overseas.
Not having much exposure to NCAA
I am hoping someone call fill me in a bit on Alec Burks. Guy is a scorer for sure and I think we could use one or two of them.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Poll
What should Bucks do if they win the lottery?
1) Draft Irving (try to trade Jennings?).
2) Draft someone else.
3) Trade down for multiple picks (Cleveland? Utah?).
4) Trade down for pick plus move an undesirable contract or two (bundle Salmons).
5) Trade down for pick plus semi-promising young player(s).
Given the Bucks history with 1st overall
Exception for Kareem…I’d trade down, option 3 or 4 sounds good
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Option 4.
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Mar 16, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I forgot to say my choice
I’d go with option 3
by FearTheDeer on Mar 16, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm all on the Jimmer bandwagon If we pick low enough
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Really like Jimmer.
But what do we do with Jennings? If we got Jimmer, I think we should trade Jennings for a mid-rd pick to take Alec Burks, and get rid of an unwanted contract (Maggette, Gooden, or Salmons).
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Mar 18, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
What's funny to me now, is that in late January/early Feb
Perry Jones was the guaranteed #1 pick. Now on nbadraft.net (my preferred mock draft site) he’s fallen to the Bucks at #9.
Personally, in that 8-12 range I’d take Jones, Jimmer, Marcus Morris or either of the Kentucky kids.
Jimmer is a bit of a risk, but hey, he can definitely score the ball, something the Bucks simply cannot do. Jones is more of a playmaker to compliment Bogut and possibly Gooden. Not sure where Sanders would fit in next year then however.
Marcus Morris and Terrence Jones are both guys that provide some height and athleticism to the 2/3 spot and they both can score as well.
All of it is a toss up, but I think if they could land in the 5-10 range they’ll get a pretty good player. Maybe not a star, but a good player.
Everyone just needs to Grillax a little bit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVod3uqtqgk
Just say no
To white guys as first round picks. Other than Bogut I can’t think of a 1st round caucasian that’s been a good pick. Benson, Respert(he was really our pick I think), Alexander, Grunfeld, Breuer etc. etc Need a guy who can score though for sure. like the look of Alec Burks but he’s not a great shooter but can create, get to the hoop and draw fouls. As I just see someone posted about him he would be a reach early but who knows. Other than that a physical PF who has an inside game.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Sorry I meant a Bucks pick
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I don't really care what race he is as long as he's good....
…And I think Jimmer is good. He’s not some white hustle guy who sits at the 3 point line all day….
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 18, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Although Jimmer's main problem is defense, which you'd hope would be correctable but....
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 18, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Possibly correctable, but its most likely
he’s just got limited athleticism like slow lateral quickness & foot speed and no leaping ability.
Jimmer's a straight up scorer, with a pretty pure jumper as well
Something the Bucks desperately need. However, if they can get someone like Perry Jones at their spot, not sure how you could possibly pass that up. He’s got like a 7’3" wingspan at the 4 spot and he’s a great passer.
Everyone just needs to Grillax a little bit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVod3uqtqgk
From what I can gather
It seems he just doesn’t try
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 21, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That could be because he carries their offense and plays the whole game.
by Brick's house on Mar 24, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He is a competitive guy, if he is only playing 20 minutes a game as a role player, I bet he will at least put forth effort. Whether he will actually stop anyone with his lack of foot speed and length is another matter.
by Brick's house on Mar 24, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
My Grandma's bowl of off brand candies plays better defense than Jimmer
by MadTown Hoops on Mar 25, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
If you were watching him vs Florida...
he was cramping in his calfs so he was hobbling plus he played either the whole game or almost the whole game.
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Mar 27, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the whole game would involve defense
I once heard a scout say that he’d never seen Jimmer bend his knees on defense. There’s a difference between “doesn’t try on defense” and “is so defensively passive that he barely makes up fo it on the other end despite being a top scorer”. Jimmer is the next Adam Morrison. The Big White Hype. Do what Flava says, don’t believe it.
by MadTown Hoops on Mar 25, 2011 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
He'll be better then Morrison
I just don’t know by how much…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 25, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyone like Henson's Hoops IQ?
But it looks now like the Bucks will be in the 8-11 or 15 spot barring a big move by any team near them.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I'm really hoping we don't pick Henson
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 20, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
He seems to me the very definition of "raw"
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 20, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't think they will
Can’t see him fitting in with the players we have now. Hoping for a wing
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Yeah, if we're going for a major project big
I’d roll with Bismack Biyombo
by FearTheDeer on Mar 20, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
What an idot...
he tried to catch the ball, couldve just let it go and won. And on the GW attemtp for Washington he nearly goaltended it but Washington shot a 2 anyways. And he is way to raw, we already have our developmetnal big man in Larry.
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Mar 23, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
We won't be able to pick him but
I think Derrick Williams could be one of the best players in this draft class. His TS% and FT rate are off the charts and he has the athleticism to match. Only problem is that he’s only 6’8.
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6'8"
which is why I don’t want him in a Bucks uni. We already have to many PF’s who are too small either by weight or height. It’s time to get a guy with Markieff Morris’ stature.
by FearTheDeer on Mar 23, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I have read that the Morris twins have gator arms.
That could be a problem if they are only 6’9.
by Brick's house on Mar 24, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm convinced that when the whole thing is said and done
Harrison Barnes will be the number one pick in the draft.
by FearTheDeer on Mar 24, 2011 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No doubts.
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Mar 27, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
If these names are gone by the time we pick
At this point the only guys I really care to have on this team next year are Harrison Barnes, Enes Kanter, Jimmer Fredette, Jan Vesely, Perry Jones, Kyrie Irving, Alec Burks and maybe Jared Sullinger or Derrick Williams. If those guys are all gone, maybe the Bucks should trade out for a future No. 1. I know its kind of anticlimatic to not pick in the draft after a losing season, but scout 2011, 2012, and 2013 to see which class is projected to be a fairly deep draft (2012?) and swap it out.
+1 for Burks
who we will have a shot at
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Not at 12-15
He’s this years Paul George, he’ll move up in the draft come draft day.
We're not going to be at 12-15 probs
12-14 will be West Conference teams we’ll be 8-11
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
A lot of people like him
But I known next to nothing about him. I know he’s guard…And that’s about it, Haha
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 24, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
My faith in Jimmer fell a lot after this game, even though he was hurt
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never seen the kid, by generally I suggest just in general never go for someone called Jimmer
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I hope we don't get to the point where we have to worry about drafting him
He’s either hit or miss.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 25, 2011 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, sounds like the job title for the guy who puts sprinkles on a Sundae
by MadTown Hoops on Mar 25, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if that makes any sense in Australia?
by MadTown Hoops on Mar 25, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought he was
A cracker but he’s from Glens Falls so I guess not.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
we call sprinkles hundreds and thousands down under when I was a kid
I supoose thats how much we might be wasting?
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Anyone seen enough of Jordan Hamilton
To comment. I am looking for people who can score and he seems to get a fair amount of positive press, I realize that he would likely be a top 10 reach but maybe trade down if you’re interested.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Yeah, but i don't want him
Jennings once said, Hamilton was the best basketball player in HS player in Cali, if that held any weight. After seeing a few of his games, plus the tourney games, I’d say he’s not elite at any one thing, good sized SG, good on the offensive end, average athleticism, low shooting %, questionable IQ.
I pray JH makes a big splash and trades Jennings and other pieces for K Irving or another stud
It’s obvious the niether BJ or Bogut are going to be the “stars” that all good teams have – but Bogut still offers a lot in way of Defense, Reb, etc… he’s also 7’ ; )
I’m aware that no draft picks are “sure things” – but I’d also wager the K.I. is better than Jennings right now, let alone a few yrs down the road.
Jennings is and will always be a glorified TJ Ford, IMO.
I’d also be cool w/ B Knight, but he doesn’t seem to be the pospect that K.I. is
Jennings for picks won't and shouldn't happen
We watch Jennings against NBA talent, if he was a Duke Blue Devil, KY Wildcat, or UConn Huskie playing against a bunch of what’s his name PGs in college…the guy would regularly have 55pt games.
If It meant getting Irving, then I definetly would
Unfortunatley I don’t think other GM’s are that foolish.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 25, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough....
But Irving is bigger, more athletic, better shooter, and appears to have a higher BB IQ than BJ.
And FWIW Kyrie is also supposed to be a high-character, great teammate, sort of dude.
I’m just sayin that what you see is what you get w/ BJ, while K.I. is supposedly one of the best PG prospects to come along in a few yrs, and looks to be an all-star at the NBA level.
Plus, hasn’t BJ alluded to possibly going elsewhere as a FA?
Moot point
You don’t have what it would take to get him…..Jennings + what? If irving is that good who’s going to make that deal
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
High Character
Jennings just got the NBA Cares Community Assist Award. I’m not ultra high on Jennings, but I think ppl are jumping the gun here. At the beginning of the season, we were talking top 5-10 PG’s, now the Bucks as a whole have a bad year and everyone is talking about trading everybody.
by FearTheDeer on Mar 25, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you
Lets give BJ another year to develop. He can have bad games, but he can be really good as witnessed last night. Ever since I have been watching the Bucks(30 odd years)PG has been a position of weakness for this franchise and I think he can be a pretty good one. I really think we need a wing that can score
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I don't think anybody was talking THAT high
But we were expecting something better.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 26, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
With the lockout looming, there is a chance players won't play next year.
For those that love the game and want to improve, staying in school will be their best chance to do so. If a lot of players stay in school, it will make for a historically bad draft.
by Brick's house on Mar 26, 2011 11:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just a question
Does the position a player get drafted significantly improve the money they will make? Some might be smarter to stay in the to go high in a weak draft as opposed to the other. If we are 8-11 we hopefully will get someone useful.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
by CanadaBucks on Mar 26, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the scale for 1st round picks
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9302
Being picked 4th is twice as much as being 13th – who knows how that will change after the lockout. I’ve thought being picked early or anywhere in the 2nd round is actually better than being picked late in the first round in the sense you can get a bigger deal faster.
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Sucks for the Bucks
Not that they’d be able to pick him but it could probably cause a bunch of other players to drop out of the draf tas well, because of the lockout. He could change his mind but It sounds like he won’t. The Bucks picked a bad year to suck. (Again)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 26, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Just pick some young European guy
He’ll keep playing in Europe and they’ll suck again next year before a deeper draft! I think I’m doing this optimism thing wrong…
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