Nets/Bucks: Must-win time for Milwaukee against Deron Williams and improving Nets
by Frank Madden on Mar 18, 2011 12:06 AM CDT
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2010/2011 NBA Season
vs.
26-41 (17-17 home) vs. 22-44 (4-27 road)
March 18, 2011
Bradley Center
7:30 PM
Radio: 620 WTMJ TV: No Local / NBA LP
Probable starters:
Brandon Jennings
PG
Deron Williams
John Salmons
SG
Anthony Morrow
Carlos Delfino
SF
Damion James
Luc Mbah a Moute
PF
Kris Humphries
Andrew Bogut
C
Brook Lopez
(30th) 100.7 - OFFENSE - 102.9 (26th)
(3rd) 102.3 - DEFENSE - 108.8 (18th)
(25th) 89.9 - PACE - 89.7 (26th)
Deron Williams pays his first visit to Milwaukee since the trade that sent him to New Jersey, while the Bucks hope to have Andrew Bogut (migraine) back in the lineup as they look to snap a three game losing streak.
JS: Bogut and Redd practicing
We've reached "must win" time again (did we ever leave?), as the Bucks are still just 2.5 games back of Indiana for the 8th and final playoff spot with just 15 games remaining. Losing against the Nets would seem like the probable end to a serious playoff shot, but I suppose at this point we should know better than to expect anything from the teams vying for the final playoff spot in the East.
On the good news front, Charles Gardner writes that Bogut returned to practice yesterday, which is in line with his usual recovery time from migraines.
"I was throwing up all day yesterday," Bogut said. "It's a disease. If there was a cure for it, I'd pay whatever it took to get it cured.
"It's been four to five a year, sometimes more, sometimes less," Bogut said. "My sister will have three to four a week sometimes. My father actually got them but he'd black out for 20 minutes and then he'd be fine. He wouldn't throw up."
Michael Redd also ratcheted up his rehab to four-on-four, bringing him another step closer to his first game action in over a year. He won't go five-on-five until early next week--knees apparently can't deal with too many guys on the court at once--so my guess is he won't actually see court time until next weekend. I'm not expecting anything from Redd after such a long layoff, but it'll make for a nice/interesting subplot, right?
Deron's new digs. The streaking Nets had won five in a row before their home loss to Chicago on Thursday, which has plenty of people talking about the immediate impact of the deal that brought Williams to New Jersey for a package that included Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, and draft picks. The Nets are now 5-4 since the trade that shocked the world, though it's worth noting that Williams missed two of those wins because of the birth of his son. Either way, that trade still looks fantastic on paper--Melo who?--especially if they can convince him to stick around beyond next season. He'll no doubt be eager to forget the 1/12 night he suffered against Derrick Rose and company on Thursday, but he's still averaging a healthy 16 pts and 14 assists per game as a Net despite struggling mightily with his jump shot.
Big men, small rebounds. We've bemoaned Larry Sanders' lack of physicality on the boards since Vegas, and it was never more evident than on Wednesday when he went reboundless in 17 minutes before fouling out against Dwight Howard. While we were all expecting Sanders to struggle offensively, his inability to make an impact on either end as a rebounder could be the biggest thing standing in the way of his development into a reliable rotation player.
Then again, even Sanders could grab his share of boards against Brook Lopez, who enters Friday's game grabbing just 6.0 boards in over 35 mpg, good for a paltry 10.1% rebound rate. At 7 feet and 265 pounds, Lopez can't cite a lack of size as holding him back, but luckily for the Nets he also averages 20.0 ppg on a respectable 54.5% true shooting, including eight straight with 20+. He also looks to be showing some life on the boards, having grabbed 10+ in three of those contests.
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""...knees apparently can't deal with too many guys on the court at once..."
I was just wondering what the hell the difference was when you provided this makes-as-much-sense-as-anything-else-they-say lucid explanation. :)
Will we really have to read “must win” headlines until we’re mathematically eliminated? To me, the situation isn’t must win – it’s musty. I guess that’s a complaint, but it’s a very light-weight one.
must win
lol
The return of the Gadz is emminent though. Hope he gets some minutes. we might win then, lol
I say try to win that way we actually lose its a conundrum
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
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What the heck is going on with the Bucks at PF?
I know we’ve wanted an answer to this question all year. We’ve got 5 PF’s and we don’t want to make a decision on any of them, but all of them have at least one gaping flaw and none of them are showing enough promise to be worth a darn. John Hammond needs plan for this summer for how to get this team down to 3 PFs and letting LRMAM walk for nothing doesn’t need to be a part of it.
Good points - Gooden is the X factor
His injuries have reverted the position back to last season. I think we have to get more athletic, at ANY position. I want versatile, athletic swingmen.
LRMAM is a good role player and defender. I’m not sure you just let him go. We’ll see though.
we need to hang on to Prince if we want to everntually be a consistent decent club
everyone who aspires to be a consistent play off team needs a top top quality defender, and Id hate to let Prince go and see him develop further at another club
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
But if someone throws crazy money at him
We gotta walk away
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Whats "crazy" money?
IMO Luc will get ~$4mil/yr someplace to play 7th man. He’s one of the best in the league as a consistent defender and energy guy. Every team in the NBA can use that.
I meant like Travis Outlaw money
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
ahhhhh russian ogliarch cashed up I misplaced by yacht type money
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
And if Prince gets 16m over 4
I’d be cool with that.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
thats a value deal under the current status
hard to predict with the situation of the CBA
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
How is that going to work if there's a lockout?
Does he just go free or do the Bucks have some sort of right on him still?
The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy
by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 18, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably no free agency until the lockout ends
Meaning he and other free agents will be in limbo.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
by TheJay on Mar 18, 2011 11:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
or..........
we can do a Salmons……..throw crazy money at him when no one else is after him….jump on board the money train
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
lol
that won’t happen, the Bucks will let the market set his pricetag. If his pricetag is a bit too high, I just hope we have the willingness to work out a S&T.
look what being proactive got us last year
Gooden, Maggette & Salmons…………….we could have saved 60 odd million and just re signed Ridnour & KT, stuck with our 3 draft picks and ended up in the same place, plus Id still have Dan Gadz on the bench to joke about
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
we didnt really make an effort to get him re signed right?
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
We did
He said he wanted to go to a team with a better chance of winning.
ahh ok
still KT has always been one of my favs even back in his days with Miami
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
overcame some serious injuries and 15 odd years later is still going round
now thats built tough
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I don't remember us making an effort to get him back
The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy
by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 18, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
yup not please about that at all
I was ho hum about Ridnour but I’ll admit that was probably a mistake his steady hand was a under valued role, and he hit his shots last year, so thats worth more than anything else we took on in the off season
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Last year's turnaround started with Stackhouse
Not saying we should have kept him, he faded in playoffs. But Luke was a big loss.
by toasterrebound on Mar 19, 2011 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
personally id stick with Bogut, Prince, Delfino everyone else id be willing to trade
I would have had Jennings, but this continual poor shooting is a major worry, and you gotta give something to get something, Im loathe to move Bogut, cos his offensive stagnation seems directly impacted by his injury, his rebounds blocks are better so with another off season of healing Im figuring he can improve those numbers
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Why Delfino
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
drawing a long bow.........
but on a good team he is a glue guy does a bit of everything to help win, his team mates love him, he is unselfish and understands team basketball, solid rebounder for a SF, can handle the ball, pass, shoot
Im kinda giving him a pass on this year cos of the concussion case, its impossible to judge the effects
you need guys like Prince & Delfino on good basketball teams
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I'd argue that
Delfino might be better to trade than BJ, teams looking to dump salary might give up something so they can waive Delfino whereas Jennings contract is a bit lower and may not command as much. I’m not sold on trading BJ yet
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
its a fair argument........
I just arrived at the point of considering Jennings for a trade, cos its his second year, and when he is on we thrive on his enthusiasm, x factor, bravado, Im just concerned there have been no stand out games or performances this season? Im sure Jennings gets judged harder cos of media attention, relatively speaking so for a Bucks player, Id be fine sticking with him but Im loathe to go into next season with the same cast just expecting because we are healthier it will improve
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I agree with not standing pat but...
Delfino, CDR, Boykins, Redd and any of Maggette, Salmons, and Gooden that anyone would take I would part with. Bogut I would as well if I got a fair deal(not going to happen though)and maybe Jennings for a decent young player or fairy high first round pick. So thats leaves Sanders, Prince, Dooling(I’d trade him for the right offer but dont think thats coming either)
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Id argue Bogut, Prince, Delfino, Sanders
Bogut cos you just dont get unselfish, defensive big men, with passing ability and decent offense, Prince & Delfino cos they are fundamentally sound team players with some outstanding attributes that help good teams win, & Sanders cos I really think he has some real upside, not just vague potential
Jennings has to win me back, Im no longer in love with BJ’s
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Keepers
1st Tier: Bogut and Jennings
2nd Tier: Sanders and Luc
3rd Tier: Earl Barron
Ersan, Brockman, Delfino, CDR, and Dooling vary in trade value from low to lower, but if we can’t trade them for anything I won’t cry that we bring back Ersan, Brockman, and Dooling. Set Delfino and CDR free. The Unmovables are unmovable.
I still think we can trade Delfino
For a mid-first round pick for a team that will be over the cap like when Orlando traded out last year. He’s shooting 37% I’d rather spend 3.5m on something else, even last year he was better but inconsistent. Forgot about Ilyasova, another guy I’m not real high on but would be willing to give him 1 more year.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Mid-1st round pick?
Delfino? Late, late 1st round pick (like 2nd round late) at best I think unless we combo some other expendables.
I was thinking a dump move
For a team that needed space and didn’t want to sign a 1st round pick since carlos would be an easy dump for said team. Okay maybe I’m dreaming but I’d still do it for a late 1st.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
doenst everyone shoot 37% on this team ;)
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
And it was the Heat
That traded Daquaen Cook and the 18th pick for the 32nd pick. I think we might be able to do something like that with Delfino
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I don't think there are any "untouchables" on this team.
I’d trade anybody if the price is right.
The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy
by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 18, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Bogut only if you got a really good deal
Similar(lesser obvs)to DWill and Melo. Jennings only for a high 1st or a semi-proven young player. The rest just make me an offer.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Jennings for a high 1st
like is 2nd high enough?
2010 Evan Turner, 2009 Thabeet, 2008 Beasley, 2005 Marvin Wiliams, 2004 Okafor, 2003 Darko
No thanks, I’ll roll with Jennings. I’d rather trade Bogut than Jennings, then at least we could go the famous OKC route. A rookie and Bogut are almost a decade apart now.
3rd then.
The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy
by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 18, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Not saying I would, just saying, It doesn't have to be a 2nd
The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy
by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 18, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I know
I’m just saying that a high draft pick isn’t enough for Jennings when their isn’t enough clear cut star power in the draft. I’d think about trading Jennings for Irving, but I’d probably keep Jennings.
agreed we got a quantity, not much quality, and definitely no production
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
kudos to the Bulls now thats a real off season, they smacked it out of the park
I poked fun at the front office regime that past few years but they nailed it
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
im a skiles man
and his rigid dogmatic approach to demanding defensive effort is the way to go but equally we need to see some inspiration and new ideas on the offensive end of the court
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
+1
The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy
by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 18, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont buy the line once everyone gets healthy she'll be right
the problems seem to run deeper than that, and even last year the offense was sputtering along until Salmons play jump started it, and it wasnt very systematic, involved a lot of 3 point shots and poor volume shooting………..Im no fan of Maggette, but if you trade for a guy and know what his game is, to make it a success you have to embrace him and use his strengths, its give and take, you expect him to buy into the system, but their has to be give and take
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Thank you !
I could not agree with you more. I’ve been preaching that at nauseum. Just about all of us were fooled by that run late last season, but you are correct that the problems run deeper. I seriously believe that Skiles does not know offense, and until their play proves otherwise, I’m sticking to it.
We HAVE to get more athletic; it’s what the leagues is nowadays. You cannot be this weak at the 2 and 3 and win consistently, especially with a center who’s offense is average at best, and a PG who is still learning his way (and his shot).
Complimentary players
Our roster is chock full of them. We have some starters who have no business starting. Some of that was necessary when we had injuries, but even with everyone healthy, this is a 7th seed team in most years, at best. You have to have guys who can “create” and a coach who puts in a system that allows them to do that.
So why
Does Delfino play OT the other night and Maggette rides the pines. Skiles has made some odd decisions this year. Boykins played 6 mins or so in the 2nd as well but never saw the court after, lord knows he’s made some shos for usthis year. Not like I’m dumping on Delfino but he didn’t earn the OT burn on Wednesday, even with a short bench.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Also
We’re pretty much stuck with Maggette, Salmons, Gooden, and Bogut taking up the majority of our salary cap, we need a coach that can get the most of those guys. We don’t have a lot of options for players so we need a coach who can get this current group of guys going. Not sure Skiles is the coach to get more from Maggette, Salmons, Gooden, Bogut, and Jennings.
That's our real starting lineup
When healthy. Bring back Ersan, Sanders and Barron. Draft a shooting guard or small forward. Do whatever with the rest and free agentcy to upgrade at point guard and shooting guard or small forward. If they sign Luc, they could package him, Ersan or Sanders with Dooling.
by toasterrebound on Mar 19, 2011 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
On a bus to NYC...
Naively thought the promised wifi on the bus would be enough to watch LP broadband or at least stream audio, but of course not…suck it, World Wide Bus Co.
by Frank Madden on Mar 18, 2011 7:50 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
wi fi on a bus sounds kinda hit or miss
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
52 points in a half........wow we are lucky today
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
and just wait till we unleash Earl Barron in the 4th........he is our closer
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
hey sometimes its hard to jump and move your arms at the same time
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
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