Kings/Bucks: Milwaukee looking for three in a row over Tyreke-less Kings
2010/2011 NBA Season
vs.

28-41 (18-16 home) 17-52 (8-25 road)
March 23, 2011
Bradley Center
7:00 PM
Radio: 620 WTMJ TV: FSN Wisconsin
Probable starters:
Brandon Jennings
PG
Beno Udrih
John Salmons
SG
Marcus Thornton
Carlos Delfino
SF
Francisco Garcia
Luc Mbah a Moute
PF
DeMarcus Cousins
Andrew Bogut
C
Samuel Dalembert
(30th) 101.2 - OFFENSE - 103.2 (25th)
(3rd) 102.4 - DEFENSE - 109.4 (21st)
(25th) 89.9 - PACE - 94.9 (4th)
On the Kings:
Sactown Royalty / Cowbell Kingdom
The Bucks will be looking to win their third in a row and keep the pressure on Indiana in the Eastern Conference playoff hunt when they host the struggling Sacramento Kings at the Bradley Center.
JS: Redd could play Friday or Saturday for Bucks
Subplot alert! We've spent the past 14 months speculating when/where/whether Michael Redd could return from a second major knee surgery, but all signs point to him returning to the Bucks lineup sooner rather than later--perhaps as early as Friday.
And regardless of what you think about Redd's ability to help the Bucks, the mere fact that he's finally healthy enough to play basketball is an undeniably great thing to see. Still, while Skiles has been impressed by Redd's conditioning since he returned to practice a few weeks ago, there are understandably no guarantees for the Bucks' former franchise player.
"On one hand, it's very simple," Bucks coach Scott Skiles said of working Redd back into the rotation. "We have to try to win the game that night."It's not easy to make decisions, necessarily. We're not in a position right now where the priority is working a guy back in. The priority is winning the game.
"If we feel a player or two players can help us be productive and win the game, those will be the guys that play."
No arguments here.
Bucksketball: Getting back into rotation a tough task for returning Bucks
On that topic, here's a good read from Jeremy on the challenge Redd may have as he works his way back into the lineup.
In each of the five games Maggette has not played, Milwaukee, with four of the wins having come by a double digit margin. The logic here isn’t that not playing Maggette allows the Bucks to win by 10, but it seems to be that when the Bucks starting unit and bench players that are playing of late are playing well, Coach Skiles doesn’t want to break those groups up just to get Maggette minutes. He’s looking to keep players that are playing well on the floor.
I have a very hard time seeing Redd parachute into the lineup after a year-plus of rehab and earn minutes over Maggette (or CDR for that matter), but I suppose stranger things have happened. I see Gooden and Ilyasova having much easier times cracking the lineup, especially given the inconsistency Larry Sanders has shown of late.
Tyreke still hurting. Reigning rookie of the year Tyreke Evans has struggled with plantar fasciitis all season, with almost all of his numbers slipping from his excellent rookie campaign. Though he's played in 46 games, Evans won't be in uniform at the BC and has been held out of action since February 13 to undergo shockwave therapy treatment on his foot, with the Kings limping to a 4-14 record in his absence.
Incidentally, Evans' treatment is the same one Drew Gooden has been receiving while he tries to recover from his own struggles with plantar fasciitis. On Tuesday, Gooden made it through his first practice since January 21, though Skiles told the JS that he still has "some conditioning issues to get through."
Second Cousins. DeMarcus Cousins may finally be figuring some things out in the second half of his rough-and-tumble rookie season, as he's averaging some impressive raw stats in the month of March: 16.6 ppg, 10.5 rpg, and 4.0 apg. On the downside, he remains a horribly inefficient scorer (47.9% true shooting from a big man?) who turns it over at an alarming rate (4.4 to/g this month, 3.3 for the season).
Cousins scored a season-low two points with five turnovers (!) in just 13 minutes against the Bucks in December, racking up (if I recall correctly) four offensive fouls in addition to getting stuffed by Bogut on a crucial possession late in the game. For my money it's still the most impressive Bogut block of the season, which is saying a lot given he's currently leading the NBA in shot-blocking.
Starting Cousins next to long-time Bogut nemesis Sam Dalembert also raises the question of how the Bucks will defend the former Kentucky star. He's stronger than most PFs as is, so it will take all of Mbah a Moute's savvy (fronting, doubling, etc) to avoid getting bullied on the block. Brockman drew three charges on Cousins in the December game, so he might be the best defensive complement to Bogut when both Dalembert and Cousins are on the floor at the same time. Still, something tells me Skiles won't alter his starting lineup pre-emptively.
Home/road. The Kings aren't any good on the road (8-25), but surprisingly their record is nearly as bad at home (9-27).
Sweep? Winning in Sacramento was one of the surprise highlights of the 09/10 season, and squeaking out an 84-79 win at Arco was an highlight of this season as well. Not because winning in Sacramento has been particularly difficult this year, but because that effort came just 24 hours after the Bucks' most shocking road win of the season in L.A. Ah yes, we were all so hopeful back on December 23...
Boarding up. The Kings 26th or worst in offensive eFG%, turnover rate, and free throw rate, but they compensate for it slightly by grabbing a ton of offensive rebounds (2nd). I say slightly because they're still just 25th in offensive efficiency, only slightly worse than their 21st-ranked defensive efficiency. In short: if you can't make shots, it doesn't matter how many chances you get. Just ask the Bucks.
JS: Delfino turns white-hot
It's been rather fantastic watching Carlos Delfino explode for a combined 56 points, 19 rebounds and 14/22 shooting from deep over the past two games, hasn't it? As the team's most prolific shooter from deep, Delfino's ability to stretch the floor has proven absolutely critical to the Bucks' success offensively all season, as suggested by his splits in wins (16.2 ppg on .453/.450 shooting) vs. losses (9.3 ppg on .341/.278 shooting). And while the Bucks will be hoping he can maintain at least a moderate level of consistency over the final 13 games, let's also be thankful Carlitos is playing at all.
"I'll never forget that I was almost out for the season because of injury," Delfino said. "Every single day I am so happy to get to the court."Some moments you feel good and some moments you feel bad. But it's our profession, our business. When you get to the court, you are in a position where people can blame you or can think you're the best.
"We're just trying to work every day as a team. We know what we want to do; we want to get to the playoffs."
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Do you suppose Luc will guard Dalembert? Cousins seems a little too big for him to handle on D.
Of course, now that Luc has discovered his inner Maggette, maybe he can drive him into foul trouble.
by Brick's house on Mar 22, 2011 11:59 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It's a great question
Brockman/Bogut is my preferred defensive pairing against their starting big combo, but I have to think Skiles sticks with the same starters.
by Frank Madden on Mar 23, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
if Bogut guards Dalembert properly and Dalembert guards Bogut they both could go pointless
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I think Luc could frustrate Cousins
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
no surprise..the Prince could frustrate a wooden log with his defense
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
And a wooden log could easily frustrate Cousins
by richardhkirkando on Mar 23, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
tossed it up and you smacked it right outta there
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Is it disloyal...
…to have nothing to say about an upcoming game? Should be a win. A small step toward the playoffs. A loss would be remission. But nothing conclusive. Won’t be Redd. Won’t match the Badger game in unklchuk interest. But that’s unfair competition. I haven’t given up on the team; not totally bored. It is, however, hard to feel much of anything.
This is the time of season, perhaps, when game reporters like those we enjoy here really earn their perhaps small salaries.
Really?
This time of year is exciting as hell. Finally, this is the point when the reality of the season sets in and players start to really care. Even Shaq tries by now. We are in a heated playoff race with a division rival. Our team is healthy and competitive. No offense to Marquette and Wisconsin, but I couldn’t care less if they met in the NCAA championship game. The NCAA Tourney is a bloated, money grubbing monster and they’ll have none from me.
by MadTown Hoops on Mar 23, 2011 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions
People say the EXACT same thing
about the NBA.
"Finished putting together an Excel spreadsheet at work? BELT. Finally managed to open that uncooperative jar of mayonnaise? BELT. We're all champions in our own ways, my friends." - Frank Madden, BrewHoop
by Mitchell Maurer on Mar 23, 2011 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The spirit & energy...
in Bo Ryan’s kids is a world apart from Scott Skiles’ adults. Marquette too.
Not that the Bucks players are bad by NBA standards for attitudes. Just that they know they are part of the real world where things don’t work out more often than they do. They know their season is limping and bloodied to the finish line. And there aren’t a lot of team positives going forward. They’re doing their jobs, professionally, but watching someone doing their jobs with all the ambivalence involved isn’t quite as much fun as watching the joyful energy of likable kids discovering new worlds….
Sounds a bit like I’m in a bad mood. No, just when I think of NBA ball in Milwaukee. Just flat and bored. The Bucks have had a drudge season – unfulfilled expectations in every direction. Hot and especially cold performances by all. A whole less than the sum of the parts. Few signs of player growth, and not so many Bucks who carry much growth potential. If the whole season was a DVR recording, I’d fast forward to catch Redd’s return and then maybe fast forward to the possible playoffs. The playoffs likely wouldn’t take long to watch either.
I’m tired of the gray world these adults have to live in. Have to endure and persist in. I’d rather watch the kids. (The kids are a limited time offer; they can’t keep that blissful naivete for long; but it’s real and I’m going to make the most of it.)
I agree
Calling the NCAA money-grubbing (which is true) by another money-grubbing entity (NBA) is hilarious.
at least in the NBA the players who suit up and play get to do some grubbing too
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Almost as good as watching your kids play rec sports
And me asking them if they won and they would sometimes say “I don’t know” and not care at all
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
we'll kick those Kings right back to Kansas City
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Haha!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Mar 23, 2011 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions
how did the final go Dave? Or is it this weekend?
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I hope we kick them so they stay in Sacramento
Whatever that means
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
looks like its a fait acompli regardless
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Looks like Delfino has been reading CanadaBucks' comments.
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Aspiring Armchair Executive of the Year
I think Palombo forwarded them to him LOL
This game is as must as it gets for those of us who hae playoff aspirations.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
by CanadaBucks on Mar 23, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol myself
“Hey, hey, Carlos, you must improve your shooting, because you’re leaving me without friends in Brewhoop. Jakob won’t answer my tweets anymore and Canadabucks won’t discuss with me Corey Hart’s career. Tell you more: they are considering apologizing for some of their comments to some conspicuous CDR fans. Please, please, be careful next time with the shoots you select and make them!
Hahaha
I NEVER DOUBTED HIM.
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Aspiring Armchair Executive of the Year
by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Always liked Delfino =/
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Just out of curiosity
How is the feeling towards Larry Sanders these days?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Still like Larry
Needs to gets some burn, in hindsight should have been in the D for a couple of months but I’m confident he be a competent NBAer
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
by CanadaBucks on Mar 23, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
See Sanders as mixed nuts...
To achieve his D potential, he’ll have to know more about what’s going to happen. Not just react. To rebound better, he’ll need to get and hold the right spot, and show better hands. To score better, he’s going to have to get in the flow of the game. Not decide ahead of time it’s his turn to shoot or (commonly) want to shoot but change his mind midstream and make a so-so pass.
It all seems so premeditated and somehow bloodless. He emotes, but seemingly mostly in reaction to what he has just done.
At the same time, it strikes me he’s making reasonable progress. More often “visible” on the court.
I’ve heard a lot from the color guys like Moncrief commenting on the things Sanders was NOT doing as part of the team defense. Stuff that’s not obvious to my fan eyes, but which Moncrief, et al seem to consider basic. That might not sit well with Skiles.
the kid will be ok once he gets a bit wiser
showed some flashes but its been a mixed bag
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
How many total hours of video
…do you think it took to get, what?, 5 minutes of all made trick shots?
Brockman sympathizer! ;)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
don't you know
it’s rude to say what I said plus more in 15% of the number of words
the way to be polite to someone who is not practicing succinctness is to not practice succinctness yourself
didn’t you go to charm school? or watch the u.s. congress?
tend not to get much charm school etiquette training down under ;)
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
OK
A Certificate of Exemption will be placed in your records.
You are free to remain succinct.
(really did enjoy the Brockman video. btw, it’s produced by Jon Brockman, directed by Jon Brockman, and it stars Jon Brockman in the role of Jon Brockman. quite a line-up.)
Just in case any of the Aussies missed this
http://www.sbnation.com/2011/3/23/2066652/australian-rules-football-2011-preview
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
preaching to the converted here ;)
just perfect as the tragic comedy that is the Bucks winds up, the AFL season starts of course thats more of a tragedy within a tragedy for me, but hope springs eternal
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Kings
The radio broadcast mentioned their offensive rebounding – it reminded me that I’m bummed they traded Carl Landry because he had a shot to be an unusual regular player with more offensive than defensive rebounds.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
They got a fine player though in Thornton
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Who doesn't?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Jon McGlocklin is so full of wrong about the Kings franchise.....
…it’s really not funny. I just wish this wasn’t talked about constantly. Not Paschke’s and McGlocklin’s fault.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
What aspect specifically?
I wish they’d stop talking about ti too
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh they said there will be 3 teams in California.
There is 4. There will 3 teams in Southern California although that’s being nitpicky. I haven’t also heard that Anaheim officials mentioned that they had a NBA team. I saw things saying they were working towards completing that deal.
Anyway, I’m done now. Not yall’s problem. Unless something doesn’t come along to replace the BC soon I guess.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
In all likelihood we'll be in your guy's position within the next 10 years
and who knows what will happen if Kohl bites the dust.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Sadly yes.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
The Kings scare everyone.
Especially Kings fans.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
the kings are moving to vegas b/c the maloof brothers have an empire in vegas.
The UFC is a place where they will pay you tens of thousands of dollars for you to fight but only 1 dollar for your soul. The only thing that gives orders in this world is "Balls" Scarface.
by communication-breakdown on Mar 23, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a good time to bring that up to a Kings fan, my man....
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Summer League Superstar
At least that’s what his agent tell’s people.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, I had enough of Boykins
he always make the Bucks look a worst team than it actually is. Even when he scores.
Let the 3rd quarter swoon begin.
by Brick's house on Mar 23, 2011 8:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Bucks putting together another masterful 3rd quarter.
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Clock management? Wrong sport...
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a ton more athletic than I ever would have realized
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
GREAT stretch there by Larry
I was not optimistic when he checked in for Bogut with us down eight…
by Frank Madden on Mar 23, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Rule #1
Never be optimistic when someone comes in for Bogut
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't know himself
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
And then he screws up.
Scrub.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You could try to get a rebound off of a Sanders block, you know
It Doesn’t HAVE to be Bogut…
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woof
Sanders doing it all right now, needs some help though…
by Frank Madden on Mar 23, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons can provide it, apparently....
Unknown to me. Oh, and he can also get technicals….
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
...Wait, what?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking at Pacers' schedule compared to ours......we have a chance in hell of making the playoffs sigh.
They also have 3 more wins than us.
Snowball's chance?
Or fireball’s chance?
by Frank Madden on Mar 23, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Given our struggles, maybe missing the playoffs would be for the best
At least it would force Hammond to blow up his failed experiment
by MadTown Hoops on Mar 23, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell of a move
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
He is active, isn't he?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
When our top tier superstar is failing....
We might have to put up the white flag…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If only their guards hadn't annihilated our guards...
Then again, there’s only one Beno.
by Frank Madden on Mar 23, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
He's made of the stuff of legends
Just like Lou Williams
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
And then we just witnessed his followup act
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow Bogut...
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Mar 23, 2011 9:22 PM CDT reply actions
Wow indeed.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Can we tank now?
Out-rebounded by 15; scored 34 points at HOME in the second half.
by Southern Marxist on Mar 23, 2011 9:26 PM CDT reply actions
What color should it be?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Whats the point of tanking now tho
I’m pretty sure we’re outside of the top 10 picks already.
NEVER SAY NEVER
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm positive Jordan wants to tank
with Jackson out and Wallace gone, they have nothing
I think he even said as much after the trade
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
At least I think that's what he was implying
Jordan said he’s not content with jockeying for the final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference. He believes the deal puts the franchise in better shape ahead of perhaps a lower payroll ceiling in the next labor deal as he tries to build a contender.
“We’re all right,” Jordan said as he left the practice floor. “I like where we are.”
“We don’t want to be the seventh or eighth seed,”
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
"we don't want the seventh or eighth seed"
no thinking about that.
That's funny
“We want to pick 10th or 11th”
by Frank Madden on Mar 23, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
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by Jacob Grinyer on Mar 23, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
No man's land
Bad, but not bad enough. I think the fat lady is warming up the old pipes.
Jordan openly tanking provides 'legitimacy' to tanking
Stern can’t criticize Jordan
by Southern Marxist on Mar 23, 2011 9:39 PM CDT reply actions
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