A New Era of Draft Discussion is Born (Post-Playoff Hopes)
by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 1, 2011 9:29 PM CDT
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Since the last thread was pushed away, and because the Bucks just finished the dirty job of digging their own grave, I thought this would be as good of a time as ever to start fresh.
Draft Express Lottery Mock Draft:
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If the Lottery helps us out...
and we can get up to #5 and Perry Jones is there…no hesitation, just take him. Unless say Derrick Williams is still available then we could make a decision of one or the other.
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So
They’re currently in 9th – so they will be somewhere in picks 1-3 or 9-12, correct? Or am I misunderstanding the lottery process?
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
I think you're right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Lottery#Process
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 1, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
They should just pick all 14 spots through the lottery
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Another year,
another mid-lottery pick in a weak draft that would be beneficial if they traded it away.
sigh
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The most we can do
Is hope for no more Joe Alexanders or Yi Jianlian’s. My confidence isn’t very strong.
crosses fingers
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 1, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Easier if we have the balls to take the players we want
I understand that Yi was a long shot too, but we should have taken Noah all along. The rookies really don’t have the power when it comes to where they play in the beginning.
by MadTown Hoops on Apr 4, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
just trade the pick
we don’t need it, win now!
Unless we can package it with Salmons,
there’s no way trading the pick will really help in the short-term.
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by Mitchell Maurer on Apr 2, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 2, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
You always have to be open to trade...
But even a mid-lottery pick will occasionally deliver an impact player. I’d be very hesitant to give away the chance at getting lucky, because we don’t have the star firepower needed as is.
by Frank Madden on Apr 3, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed on this
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+1
I don’t think we will, i doubt he even declares.
That is all.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 2, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Too close to Sanders, right?
I don’t know how many offensively raw, skinny, shot-blocking big men we want to develop at once…
by Frank Madden on Apr 3, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes!
I mean…Oh noes
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 6, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
A guy who can score
Preferably a wing.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Very few of those...
just Burks and Knight (who is actually a PG). Honeycutt is intriguing but he isn’t worth a Top-15 pick while we could be at #7 or 8.
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by BlackPack-fan on Apr 2, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I know but
That’s what we need most IMO…trade down if you can?
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I doubt Burks or Knight will be there at #9 - but I'd love either one of them.
And given the current roster, I think this will be a yr where the team actually does take BPA.
Perhaps they roll the dice on a scoring combo guard like Kemba or Jimmer? Both would prob be there at #9, and I’d prefer to see them do that rather than draft another raw big man.
No thanks to either of the last two
Don’t need another small point guard and Jimmer…..just say no….. words to live by
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Oh, God
Jimmer to the Bucks would seriously make me rethink my allegiance.
I wouldn’t actually abandon ship, but I’d want to.
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by Mitchell Maurer on Apr 2, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Thankfully, where the Bucks are picking, I don't think we have to worry about that too much
Even though I think he’ll be an okay NBA player, he’s not what the Bucks need.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 2, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
And Kemba is basically BJ v2.0
Isn’t he?
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
That's what people have been saying
I’ve only seen a little bit of him and haven’t read any scouting reports, though
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 2, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
From walterfootball.com
Summary: Walker has gotten off to unbelievable start this season and has been the talk of college basketball which will do wonders for his draft stock. He has proven he is a lottery talent, and if he can continue to play at a high level for the remainder of the season, he could easily be a top-10 pick. Walker still needs to improve on his pure point guard skills as he is playing off the ball a little more this season, but will almost certainly turn pro after this year.
Player Comparison: Brandon Jennings. Jennings is a terrific playmaker who is at his best when he gets to the basket, but also has a nice pull-up game. Walker is becoming a better outside shooter which is an area that Jennings has struggled, but both guys are so talented with the ball in their hands.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I'd expect Burks to be there.
It’s a shame we didn’t get to see Colorado in the NCAA tourney, Burks is a fun guy to watch. He and Jennings could be a potentially lethal backcourt.
Kemba should be gone by #9, but Jimmer will most likely be there.
Who knows, if the Nets pick falls to 7-8, the Jazz (who own Nets pick) might snatch up Jimmer.
That would be pretty funny, I admit
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 3, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I've wished all the professional success of Sean May on Kemba Walker...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 4, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm kind of interested in jordan hamilton
Probably a reach though and likely not Skiles type of player(i.e. he can score)
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
by CanadaBucks on Apr 2, 2011 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and likely not Skiles type of player(i.e. he can score)
So True
You got the audacity to call me a liar. "So what you got in the trunk?".... "Aw, just a spare tire".
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by BlackPack-fan on Apr 2, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I certainly like Kemba's demeanor more than BJs
KW is always smiling and has a gregarious, upbeat personality.
And BJ doesn't?
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Ehh. Not so much, IMO
Kemba doesn’t have a “star” type attitude – which says a lot about a guy in his position…
Just sayin..
Jennings carries himself like one
whether he will be or not is yet to be seen.
Still, I’d rather have my guy have a little bit of an edge (like Jennings has) than to be all smiles all the time.
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by Mitchell Maurer on Apr 2, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm OK with his attitude
His fg% suggests he has a higher opinion of his scoring ability than reality would dictate, but I like that he’s fearless and never seems to get discouraged (see last night’s OT).
by Frank Madden on Apr 3, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
So does BJ.
Put Walker on a losing team and that will change.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 2, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be the college/pro thing too
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
That too.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 2, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
For the record
The Huskies with Walker were 79-30 if I counted right, that buys a few smiles
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I'm very uninterested in Jordan Hamilton
I’d rather just re-sign Hobson.
Wings
Barnes, Burks, T Jones, Marcus Morris, Honeycutt, and Fredette would all have to be off the board b4 I’d be happy taking Hamilton.
Like to sign Hobson
But they’re different skill sets aren’t they? Hamilton more of a pure shooter/scorer and Hobson more of they paul pressey/evan turner type.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Roster
PG: Jennings, Dooling
SG: Salmons
SF: Delfino, Maggette
PF: Gooden, Ersan, Brockman
C: Bogut, Sanders
So that’s 10 guys under contract. The rest:
- Let’s assume Luc gets brought back. (11)
- Based on what we’ve seen the past few years, I expect a third PG to be signed to replace Boykins. Heck, I’d be fine bringing Earl back, though if you drafted a PG or combo guard in the 1st or second then you wouldn’t. (12)
- I’m going to assume CDR and Redd are both gone, though I suppose it’s not impossible Redd could re-sign. He’ll obviously want to play real minutes but I have no idea what kind of market there will be for him.
- I’m guessing Hobson would be more of a SF but between him, Delfino, Salmons and Dooling you have a fair bit of cover at SG as well. Let’s assume Hobson is re-signed. (13)
- We’ve seen this season that a legit backup center would be of use, and that’s even without Bogut missing extend periods of time. I don’t think this would be a huge concern if Sanders was able to add some lower-body bulk, but I’m not sure if that’s something we can count on. Add a center and that’s 14 guys.
We haven’t talked about the draft yet, so it will be interesting to see if we pick somebody who gives us either depth at point or center—then you don’t have to re-sign either a Boykins-type third string PG or a big body to backup Bogut. If they pick a swingman then the odds of re-signing Hobson fall, but we also haven’t addressed the likelihood that Maggette is dealt. It will be interesting to see how desperately they shop Maggette since it was Hammond who wanted him and Skiles who refused to play him, but the bottom line is you can’t pay a guy $10 mm per if the coach is going to treat him like a 13th man. There’s gotta be somebody you could acquire for him who would add more value.
Hopefully
There will be a market for Maggette amongst the high spending contending teams (Such as the Magic or Mavericks) but more then likely we’ll have to give up something to get rid of him… After the lockout he’s going to be an expiring contract so that could be of some use to teams.
If Redd resigns we better not pay him much more then the veteran’s minimum. I think he’ll go elsewhere to play more minutes anyway.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 3, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I see Corey as a guy who would be easier to move during the season
I think you nailed it in terms of who would want him, but I think we may have blown a good opportunity to deal him during the season when he was producing and there were teams looking to add a scorer for a playoff run (ie the Mavs after they lost Butler). In the offseason it’s easier to be rational :)
I'd really like to see a pure shooter on this team
Just not sure where the would be room. I’d think about trading Ersan but I can’t see a huge market for the guy but who knows. Maybe if Hobson can handle the ball like they say that eliminates the need for a 3rd PG. I’d think about the blog-proposed ben Gordon for Maggette but i’d hate to take that extra year on, Gordon might be a good fit on this team.
have a feeling that the Bucks will eye Singleton, seems like their type of player.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Aside from Jimmer [i know.. i know...] are they any pure shooters in this draft class?
Is Burks a shooter or more of a scoring wing?
Do we hold Hobson’s rights anymore? I know we cut him – but I’ve been a bit out of the loop for a few months.
No, you're right
We don’t hold his rights but he has continued his rehab here and has been hinting he will be back with the Bucks for a few months on Twitter. I believe he was at the BC watching a game last month as well, though it should be noted he can’t do any of that as part of the team since he was cut. Stay tuned.
by Frank Madden on Apr 3, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Hamilton is likely the best shooter
Leonard and Burks less range but more creators fwiw
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Here's what walters football has to say about some wings who might be available:
Jordan Hamilton-Sf 6’7" 226 lbs
Strengths-natural scorer, deep range, explosive in open floor
weaknesses-shot selection, needs to be more agressive on the drive
Comparison-Jason richardson
Kawhi Leonard-SF 6’7’ 225 lbs
Strengths-Athleticism, high motor, rebounding, atttacking the basket, ball handling
Weaknesses-inconsisitent mid-range game, 3 pt. shooting, forces penetration
Comparison-Trevor Ariza(I was kind of thinking Pressey too)
Chris Singleton-SF 6’9" 227lbs
Strengths-outstanding defender, athleticism, length, shot-blocking, rebounding,
Weaknesses-inconsistent shooter, lack of range, handling contact in the lane, ball handling
Comparison-Shawn marion
Alec Burks-SG 6’6" 185lbs
strengths-good handling ability, length, athleticism, good creator
weaknesses-perimeter shooting, strength, doesn’t escel at anything
Comparison-Evan turner(could have got that from last line)
Tobias harris- SF 6’8" 210lbs
Strengths-versatile, can play point-forward, good moves in paint
Weaknesses,-strength, outside shooting, quickness or lack therof
Comparison-in between Shane Battier and Jeff green
Im not much on European players having been inundated with them while watching the raps, but the scouting report on Vesely was intriguing as frank alluded to previously. Problem is unless I missed something he’s under contract til 2013.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Here's some Vesely clips
Check out the block at 1:25ish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zlB5w08_Es
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Hamilton
No question he’s a scorer. From watching his games this season, I didn’t get the impression that he was very athletic or very basketball smart (iq). I think once they start player workouts his stock will fall.
by FearTheDeer on Apr 4, 2011 6:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
honestly It seemed like we were actually doing that for awhile at least I thought so
after resisting Skiles eventually slotted Maggette into the starting lineup, and he was productive in the roll for a stretch, I just assumed it was exactly for that purpose because before and certainly after that period Skiles has shown no inclination to do it for an extended period, really think we missed a beat simply because if Skiles is coach, despite our needs, it seems he wont co exist with Maggette
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
It wouldn't surprise me if they Dooling loose...
He’s not taking much cap room – but he certainl had an underwhelming season, IMO.
I think having a good – not average – backup PG is more of a priority for the Bucks than other teams, given BJs inconsistent cough scoring/distributing.
Skiles loves him
Not going to happen I don’t think
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Eh. I could go either way w/ KD
All in all, he’s OK for the price and his deal is up after next yr.
But I’d like to think the Bucks will make an upgrade eventually.
I'm just saying Skiles loves him
I’m ambivalent as well
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
He has one year left, I doubt moving him would be any type of priority
And I can’t see the Bucks cutting him—if minutes are any indication then it would seem Skiles is quite fond of him.
by Frank Madden on Apr 3, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
random inconsistent shooting & offense & solid gritty D
fondness doesnt even describe it
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Man-crush?
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
more like son in law material
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Boykins & Dooling
They both signed with Milwaukee b/c they intended to be playing for a playoff team. I highly doubt Boykins at this point in his career will desire to come back to Milwaukee. He may be more disappointed than any other Bucks with this org. Dooling would probably gladly agree to a friendly buyout too, IF he could make that $2mil elsewhere, but I’m not sure he can.
I don't think Earl is in a position to pick a contender though
by Frank Madden on Apr 4, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah I think Earl being able to pick and choose anything is fanciful
was he even in the league last year? Or was that the year before? Earl is at the stage where he gets picked up by whomever will take him
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Offseason acquisitions
I think the Bucks absolutely should sign (regardless of what they draft):
1 Prince
1 Darrington Hobson
1 experienced back-up C
1 experienced ball handling PG
They should further consider:
1 or 2 Draft Picks
1 Michael Redd
Meaning that they need to trim the roster down. I don’t doubt they can turn trades involving Dooling, Ersan, Delfino, Brockman, and our 2nd rounder into less pieces with similar value or better yet late 1st round draft picks.
sounds exactly what they should have done last year
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Uconn beats Kentucky
I don’t know if that’ll affect the chances that Jones/Knight enter the draft or not, but it can’t hurt, right?
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"You want Josh McRoberts? You can't HANDLE Josh McRoberts!" --Sportscenter anchor
I would always think coming up short like that would inspire guys to return
But I’m not sure history would support that. Both guys are projected as lotto picks, which is usually enough to convince guys to say screw it and declare. Obviously a lot can happen between now and the draft, but both guys would be risking injury and not improving if they go back.
by Frank Madden on Apr 3, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe the extra day in class on Monday will spark them to stay in school
Oops, I think I broke my own suspension of disbelief.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
By the way
One comparison for Jimmer Fredette was Mo Williams
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Well, the defense part (or lack thereof) is definitely there
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"You want Josh McRoberts? You can't HANDLE Josh McRoberts!" --Sportscenter anchor
by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 3, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think thats the best bet, at least it gives us room for improvement in that area
Salmons season was one of the most depressing efforts, considering he was stellar in short sample last year as an uber efficient scorer, even a minor drop off wouldnt have been bad, but he went right to the other extreme, watching Skiles force feed him minutes has been one of the things I have most hated about this season, just continued to grind away with a system that hasnt worked, and every game when the offense falls apart we just shake our heads
at least by taking a fly on a young guard if, if it come off, we have some excitement again in the back court with Jennings, it may inconsistent and have its ups and down but the potential for improvement is there
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I wud b surprised if....
Dooling, salmons, maggette, ersan, sanders, Brockman, Gooden, Delfino, lrmam are all on this roster next year.
They don’t bring Hobson back. I’m positive they will considering they need young wing players, they thought he was a first round value, and he’s hanging around milwaukee.
by FearTheDeer on Apr 4, 2011 6:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
FTD - The only one I see not here next yr is Maggette and maybe Ersan
Dooling is cheap and only signed for next yr [though an upgrade would be nice]
Salmons is unmoveable
Maggette is gone [but stranger things have happened]
Ersan is probably trade bait
Sanders won’t be moved after just 1 yr
Brockman is cheap and a good 11th/12th man and prob won’t be moved unless they need the roster space.
Goodens contract makes him tough to move – and he’s played pretty well when healthy
Delfino isn’t going anywhere, unless they get a crazy offer
Luc is in the same boat as Delfino
And Hobson is a mystery to all of us – including J Hammond ; )
We could all be totally wrong, but JH put this team together last Summer and probably wants a full, healthy season to see what he really has.
And aside from Salmons, who looks pretty washed up, the rest of the roster could actually be good, provided they stay healthy [a big if]
I mentioned above (the moveable pieces)
To be somewhat reasonable, I don’t think the Bucks want to move Sanders, Jennings, or Bogut and I don’t think other teams desire to acquire Salmons, Gooden, or Maggette. LRMAM and CDR maybe be moveable in a small scale sign and trade, but moreso I’d assume LRMAM is re-signed and CDR walks. That leaves likely trade bait for the Bucks are Dooling, Ersan, Brockman, and Delfino. I don’t think any of them will be bought out of their contracts. I don’t think the Bucks will hesitate much to trade them, if any opportunity to upgrade or gain young talent outside of the PF position offers itself.
Dooling was a decent value player this year, but still not what the Bucks need next year. He’s a “doing what you can with what you have” kind of player this year. He could be that next year, but he definitely isn’t ideal and i won’t be surprised if he’s the 13th man next season, if they sign a better ball handling PG. What did Keyon Dooling do, that I couldn’t have gotten from Royal Ivey? Royal Ivey just would have gotten minutes on this years Bucks.
I don’t think Hobson is a mystery at all. I’d be shocked, if his next NBA contract isn’t with the Bucks. The only mystery is will he ever play in the NBA, but I didn’t take his surgery to be that major. Otherwise, it looks like a smart decision for both parties for what did happen and whats going to happen when they re-agree to a min scale contract.
Pretty sure this whole team is a mystery to John Hammond.
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"You want Josh McRoberts? You can't HANDLE Josh McRoberts!" --Sportscenter anchor
by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 4, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Good stuff, FTD
However, I’m remaining skeptical on Hobson until I see him on the court in a Bucks uniform ; )
Why the skepticism?
I can’t think of one good reason that he wouldn’t come back or the Bucks won’t sign him. Unless maybe some other team wants to outbid the Bucks for him, but that just seems VERY unlikely.
Mainly because the Bucks were so cryptic/secretive about his injury
Then they cut him, but didn’t really cut him [?]
I really hope he pans out – I have a strange fascination w/ SGs and SFs that can handle the ball and pass like PGs [though it remains to be seen if he’s that kind of player]
Its a secret because...
it would be illegal for them to come out with any of that information and they don’t want to damage the bond between the org and player.
However, after digging, this player comparison would make me skeptical
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/darington-hobson
If we're waiting for Hobson to be the saviour
We are deluding ourselves severely. I am not saying he can’t be a good NBAer but I doubt he will ever be more than a 7th or 8th guy. Another comparison is Evan Turner in that he can do a lot of things well, but nothing that stands out. I think these kind of players really stick out on good teams in that they’re not expected to score and can do what makes them unique, Paul Pressey would be a good example of that.
One guy I think we could get good value for is Delfino, I know a lot of posters don’t want him gone and Skiles seems to like him though. He has a buy out so teams looking to cut payroll fast may be willing to swap for him to have easy cap relief.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Not waiting for him to be the saviour
I just think he should be on the team next year.
Our only saviour
will be if the players use this upsetting season as motivation to get healthy and improve their game during this offseason.
Devils advocate here, but .....
Would you trade BJ, Ersan, the 9th pick and maybe a future first round pick to draft K Irving?
Nah
I wouldn’t. I think most of this trading BJ3 talk is driven by our losing season, but BJ3 still has proven to be a pretty good NBA player with still untapped potential. Honestly, I wouldn’t even pick Irving if we landed 1st pick. Without 2nd thought I’d roll with Harrison Barnes. ESPN mock landed Bucks No. 1 and took Derrick Williams, but I’m definitely not that high on Derrick Williams. Right now, I’m thinking Barnes and Kanter are the Bucks best 2 options. I’d trade any combo of 9th pick and players, not named Bogut, Sanders, or Jennings, to get either one of them. 9th pick, Ersan, and/or Delfino for Kanter would be oustanding IMO.
I'm with ya in regards to Kantner and Barnes - and not high on Derrick Williams, either.
Barnes and Katner may turn out to be the best of this years class when all is said and done.
But I think Katner has some knee issues? He’s supposedly a beast, and easily the most polished/NBA ready big man in the draft.
But I still say Irving will be a stud and eventually a much better pro than BJ ; )
Let's say Cleveland gets the first pick
Would you trade
Maggette, Jennings, our first and Delfino/Ersan for
Cleveland’s 1st and baron davis
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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No and counter
No, I can only speak for myself, but there is no shot that I’d agree to any trade that revolves around trading both Jennings and our 1st pick for moving up in the draft.
I’ll trade up about as far as any combination of our 1st pick and any combination of Ersan, Dooling, Brockman, CDR, our 2nd rndr, or Delfino can get us. If thats only 8th pick, I’m all the way down.
I would however accept a straight up Maggette for Baron Davis swap. I’ll be shocked if the Bucks get anything more than an our crap for yours swap for Maggette this summer, but at least they’ll shuffle the deck som. Maggette for Baron Davis or Richard Hamilton are at the top of my list of reasonable Maggette trades. Again Cleveland can have any combo of the players listed above for the draft pick move up.
your right I know you said no BJ
I only offered that deal because I think(with my bias of course)that the Cavs would pull the trigger on it. I’m not sure if I would or not, it would depend on whether I thought barnes was going to be great or just really good
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Don't look now, but Minny is tanking fast and could get the #1 pick
They’re only two games better than Cle and have a much tougher schedule the rest of the way.
So….. what do they do if they win the first pick???
Barnes
I think either one takes Barnes
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I could see Cleveland taking Barnes but Minny just drafted Wes Johnson
Who I think had a good rookie yr
I just think Barnes
Has most potential upside of anyone in the draft
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Maybe Minny drafts him and we trade for Wes Johnson : )
Give Minny the #9 pick and other pieces not named Bogut or Jennings.
Not sure I'd trade the 9th pick for Johnson
I like to think higher
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I'd gladly give up #9 for Johnson.
Put up very good rookie numbers on a very bad team and fills a position of need for the Bucks.
FWIW, he was the 4th pick last yr
Idk about that
3-22 his last 3 games shooting 39.5 for the season, 9 pts, 3 boards and 2 assists in 26 minutes? Plus he’s going to be 24 this summer. Fills a need? we already have lots of guys who can’t shoot lol.
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Lol. Well played, my friend
But he’s shooting a repectable 35% on 3s.
I didn’t know he was in such a slump lately.
But he’s a verstaile swingman who looks to be a solid pro for a long time, IMO.
Maybe not an all-star, but close – and we all know the draft is still a crapshoot at the end of the day, so I’d give up #9 for him.
How valuable is Barnes going to be?
He’s a swingman with great physical tools, but he seems to prefer jumpers to putting the ball on the floor and doesn’t seem to make teammates better. I would be all over him in the mid-lottery, but I just don’t think a guy like that is worth the #1 overall pick. Seems like Rudy Gay might be his upside.
by Frank Madden on Apr 4, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
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I know that seems like a lot to give up for a unproven rookie....
But KI is supposedly the best PG prospect to come along in a while – and we all know that the only way for teams like the Bucks to get a “franchise” type player is to draft/trade for one.
Maybe I'm the only one, but ...
I haven’t seen anyone talk about Marcus Morris from Kansas. I know he hasn’t declared, but if he does and the Bucks decide to go big in the lottery section, I would think long and hard about him.
I like E’Twaun Moore if we wait until the second round to go after a scorer, but again what this team needs a legit dunking threat. I would like to see them take a guard that goes hard to the rim for dunks. I don’t follow college basketball super closely and I don’t remeber being blown away by any spectacular guard dunker. Any ideas who that may be?
Burks can
He’s one guy I’m kind of leaning toward
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Have you seen much of Burks this year, Canada?
I haven’t personally.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 4, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
No
Highlight reels but I know he can get up
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I just think he would be
A good wing compliment to Delfino if that’s who’s going to play 3.
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One guy on the bulls blog has and was very effusive
probably a good pick.
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Yeah, I've heard good things about him
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 4, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched Burks throughout the NIT
I got the impression he was a bit of a street baller.
Pros: good handle, creates for others, creates his own shot, almost always shoots on the move, very atheltic, draws contact, scorer, good height.
Cons: Over dribbles, gets overly fancy, poor mid-to-long range jump spot up shooter, stands around a lot when he doesn’t have the ball.
I like him, after pre-draft workouts, he’ll be off the board b4 9th pick because of his athleticism and size, especially if any of those top players stay in school.
Best off guard in the draft I think
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Im on the Burks bandwagon
havent seen much apart from highlights, but Id really like an athletic guy to pair with Jennings, and gives us some back up against having to grind out 30+ plus mins from Salmons every night regardless of whether his play warrants it or not
you get two young guys in the back court, include Sanders maybe another 2nd round guy and then we have some young talent around
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Morris
Small wing-span below average rebounding skills and not a big body, think that’s what might be his major downfall.
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I'm not crazy about Morris either - and he's a bit undersized for PF
In his defense, he’s supposed to be a great mid-range shooter and plays well in the post.
Supposedly.
Not sure he would fill a big need anyway
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And if you're going to draft a big
It would be more a 5 not a 4 I think.
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rather get a bulkier guy
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No C's in this draft
Jonas V, but he’s suppose to be quite a project.
I very, very, very, very much so dislike considering Sanders a Center. His value is at PF.
Well,we have a bunch of decent rotation guys...
But as far as I’m concerned we’re still looking for a guy to put next to Bogut for the long-term. I doubt we find that guy at #9-10, but still.
by Frank Madden on Apr 4, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, is Motiejunas out or is he not a big man?
by MadTown Hoops on Apr 5, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Runs the floor, shoots from range, passes well for a big, and he's a scorer
I think he’s be perfect on this team; a seven foot Delfino
by MadTown Hoops on Apr 5, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
58% from 2, 41% from 3, 74% FT, Low on peripheral stats and light, but long and quick
Reminds me a lot of Nowitzki and he should be available
by MadTown Hoops on Apr 5, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Serious Hops
Check out travis Leslie…only trouble is he’s 6’4"
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I've seen Rodney Buford from Ohio St going anywhere from late lottery to 2nd round
Anyone have any info on him???
Rodney Buford
Shooting guard from Creighton? born in Milwaukee?
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That's the right one and yes
He and Sullinger are probably returning
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I'm not too sure about him
He’s got really good size but he’s sometimes slow for his position….I wonder if he’ll play both PF and SF.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 4, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's got the dreaded "tweener" tag
But is supposed to have great passing ability and a great “feel” for the game – or atleast draftexpress thinks so.
Bit raw maybe
really don’t think he’ll be there for us though.
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2nd round
I don’t care if the Bucks sell their 2nd round pick for cash, but if they are going to take a player I’d like them to wing it on a pick like Jeremy Tyler or an international prospect or alternatively take a very good shooting wing with ideal height for their position (i.e. Klay Thompson 6’6" SG, lights out).
2nd Rd pick= LaceDarius Dunn
Too good of a scorer and shooter to pass up. A 6’4 200 lb SG is a little undersized but shouldn’t be a major concern. The only concern is his poor shot selection but he’s so good of a shooter that I’d rather him jack one up that Mbah A Moute shoot an open 18-footer (exaggeration of course but you get it, right?). I’d take a chance.
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by BlackPack-fan on Apr 4, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing for sure
He’ll be the best NBA player ever named LaceDarius
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by CanadaBucks on Apr 4, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
wow just checked his stats
Shooting % a tad low at 39.8
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I know he played terrible his Senior season...
his coach said that it was because he was trying to carry his team too much and forcing shots. I don’t know if I should fully believe that but it makes some sense, and he played much better as a Junior (42% 3-pt), and I would be willing to take a shot at getting a good scorer in the 2nd round. Remember, all 3 of our 2nd rounders last year are not with us now, so it should be OK to take a chance.
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by BlackPack-fan on Apr 4, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree to take a chance
And a shooter would be nice.
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For those of us who think we should look at a two guard
Here’s a report from nba.com
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Ick. I still contend this would be a good year to trade the pick....
But it will be fun discussing it for the next few months : )
Agreed
I wouldn’t trade it until its our turn to pick though, just to see who’s available. If Kanter or Perry Jones is there at 9, which I doubt either will be, I keep the pick, if not, I try to trade up to get him, if I can’t do that I try to trade a team for a future no. 1
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sounds like theyd fit in well with our offense
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
SBN early mock
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/4/5/2091821/nba-mock-draft-2011-kyrie-irving
Having watched Vesely a bit, the comparison to Warrick is remarkably on point IMO. Don’t know if he ends up the same sort of player, but a lot of similarities in terms of tweenerness, athleticism, etc.
They did a single run of the lotto simulation
Clips sent an unprotected 1st to Cleveland in the Baron Davis deal and that happened to come up in the lottery simulation. Odds are that pick is mid-lotto when all is said and done.
best player available considering in general we need talent everywhere.....im hoping its a wing player who can score
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I find it a bit frustrating
trying to evaluate the talent and what we need to look at the Bucks, because we have to consider basically the character of the guy first, and his attitude, because even if they have the ability to improve our offense it depends a whole lot of the whims of Skiles whether he actually plays the guys……..
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I can appreciate it though
The fact that they drafted Jennings shows they’re not just looking for the Ray Allen boy scout types…it’s probably more about guys who they think will work hard to get better, bring it every night, blah blah blah—but those things are really important when evaluating young players who have a long way to go before they’re complete players.
But I'm guessing that JH didn't think that BJ would be sniping at management in his 2nd yr
Seriously….. where does Jennings get off talking about his teammates desire to win and moves that management makes???
Kobe can get away with that – BJ certainly cannot. Hell, Bogut hasn’t said anything and he came back with a mangled arm and plays his ass off [usually] he’s also been stuck here for 6 yrs on mostly bad teams.
And I’m so not buying the “he’s just frustrated because he wants to win” argument. He spouted off because he’s mouthy diva
Bogut has criticized him teammates PLENTY of time, more times then BJ.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 5, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Bogut’s not afraid to lash out if he’s not happy. You’re not hearing him now because he’s still rehabbing and will use that to shift the blame on himself rather than teammates. He’s also a lower-key personality; he doesn’t go to the media that often.
And Jennings as a mouthy diva? The same kid who bought a condo that’s literally a 5-minute walk from the Bucks’ practice facility? How about a kid who plays his ass off (probably forces things too much) and doesn’t appreciate teammates not doing the same? Don’t forget, he started 89 games his rookie season for a demanding coach who pushed everyone equally hard. That team had success, but all of a sudden there’s a major drop off. Brandon’s getting pushed, and is pushing himself, but doesn’t see it across the board. He’s just brash enough to say something.
Go ahead and find anywhere in his quotes where he’s wrong. That’s the problem, not Jennings.
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by Mitchell Maurer on Apr 5, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
actually I prefer that he speaks out a bit, he isnt exatly saying something that isnt true
and I mean people say that he is in his 2nd year…….that doesnt really matter on this team he is one of the guys who has to take a lead, we are not exactly blessed with dominating personalities and we need to here some truths after this season, not just go through the motions
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Well, if that's the case, atleast he has a bit more credibility than a 2nd yr kid, IMO.
Not sayin it’s right – but I can live w/ a vet that’s frustrated.
Has Bogut ever called out the front-office?
Yep
link:
“One day I’d like to be the focal point,” Bogut told CBS. “It’s not going to happen here with a guard-oriented team. Right now, I’m playing a role and doing it as hard as I can. I don’t mind playing a role if I have to. I definitely would like to be a focal point, whether it’s next year or the year after or in five years.”
That was when he was in his 2nd year. Now, compare to what Jennings said:
“Some guys have the mind-set of winning on the team and some guys just don’t…We traded a lot of pieces I feel like we should have kept,‘’ Jennings said. "But that’s part of the business and you’ve got to roll with it.’’
Honestly, if you removed the speaker and looked at just the words, who sounds worse?
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by Mitchell Maurer on Apr 5, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think taken in context neither are that outrageous, they make sense and I prefer guys to speak out and want to improve
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
agreed
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by Mitchell Maurer on Apr 6, 2011 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, Mitchell digging deep into the archives for that :)
I just pictured you in a dark library looking at microfiche.
Anybody else remember microfiche???
I do.
I hated using it.
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by Mitchell Maurer on Apr 6, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Big difference in quotes, IMO.
Bogut wasn’t happy being utilized as a garbage man while Redd/Mo constantly jacked up contested jumpers. He was staing the obvious – and as the 7 foot #1 overall pick in the draft, I can certainly live w/ him saying that. And he was right.
Jennings, on the other hand, called out his teammates – and directly questioned the front-office.
my only problem with him calling his teammates out is he excluded himself
everyone deserves to be called for this season been a huge let down
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Aw, how cute! Kyrie Erving to the NBA...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 7, 2011 3:08 PM CDT reply actions
If he dropped out this whole draft would probably end up being the worst ever
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 7, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Sullinger should seriously declare.
He’d be an overwhelming favorite for the #2 position, if not #1 itself.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 7, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, there's not much upside for him in staying in school position-wise
I give him a lot of credit if he wants to win a college title, have fun, keep going to school, etc…but if he’s purely profit-maximizing he’d declare.
by Frank Madden on Apr 10, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Are there not altruistic Hoops players?
Can’t think of anyone other than Dave Meyers
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Anyone else watching the Nike Hoop Summit?
Wow, Anthony Davis can get up and down the floor.
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Bismack Biyombo also has very impressive athleticism
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Quotable, too
“I do what I know, and what I don’t know, I’m not doing it.’’
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I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Well said, Mr. Biyombo.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 10, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yogi Berra would be proud
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
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Bobcats lose
We’re going to be 10th.
And on a happier note John Salmons was not the worst free-agent signing of last summer. That distinction has to go to the Nets and Travis Outlaw 5/35m for 9ppg, 4rpg and 1apg on 37.8% shooting. At least with Salmons there was a hint of what he could do with the Bucks.
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"We're going to be 10th"
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 10, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Very possible that...
the Bobcats win tonight over the Nets (w/out D Will). The only thing stopping that win is an official instruction to lose out.
Perry Jones staying at Baylor. What. The. Fudge.
Is there some crappy team out there (besides us) that is willing to take our pick and something extra in exchange for their 2012 pick!? That draft is going to be stacked, and this one’ll suck.
I’m dreaming of course.
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I'd have to agree
No guarantee he’’ go higher next year with the “stacked” draft. he was for sure top 5 right?
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His stock probably won't rise thats for sure
He was top 10 for sure
Derrick Williams declares.
Salvation.
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Had to do it
Barring some unforeseen measurements/performances in the pre-draft period, he seems a lock for the top 2-3 which makes it a real gamble staying in school. He and Irving seem like the only relatively sure things in the draft.
Curious to see how he measures out—he’s already listed as a slightly undersized PF at 6’8", so presumably no one’s going to freak out if he measures a bit short. Not many big men with his offensive skillset.
by Frank Madden on Apr 16, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Alec Burks leaning towards declaring
“If they say I’m probably going 18th or toward the end of the first round, I can stay in school and become a top-10 (for the 2012 draft),” Burks said. “If it’s 15th, I’ll put my name in the draft so I can work (in tryouts with NBA teams) to get my name higher than that. It’s a tough decision. But 15 is the highest I’d decide to go.”
FWIW: He’s 13th on DX, 16th on Ford’s top 100.
Harrison Barnes staying in school
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213155/Barnes_To_Stay_At_North_Carolina_For_Sophomore_Season
This is pool is getting really shallow.
Next years draft is looking really deep but...
watch the Bucks place a flukey 6th in the East and miss all the talent. Trading that pick for a future pick is looking much more intriguing.
by FearTheDeer on Apr 18, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
All we need now is for Irving to pull out of the draft :)
I know it takes a long time before we know the true strength of a draft, but I’m having an increasingly difficult time getting excited about this one. Having Perry Jones, Sullinger, and Barnes all stay in school is a huge blow—seems pretty rare for so many potential top 5 picks taking a pass, but I can’t imagine the potential lockout helps either.
by Frank Madden on Apr 18, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure thats probably the #1 factor this draft is all screwy
I remember last year around draft entry time, college players talking about the potential lockout next season and it being encouragement to leave before this year regardless of draft stock…
which left this draft with almost all freshman and looking very weak…
then this years class decides to skip too….
basically you either left a year before this year or after this year, but not this year. This is a good year for the international players and likely undrafted guys to enter.
last years draft was supposed to be strong
How many players really contributed all season this year?
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Not as many as people thought...
Turner led the way in that department obviously…very interesting to see how much better he gets given he already had three years of college ball under his belt when he was drafted.
Wall was good but probably a little underwhelming relative to the hype, not that anyone’s doubting his long-term potential. Monroe, Ed Davis, and Patrick Patterson all had strong finishes, but they were the exceptions…the vast majority of the lottery picks were disappointing at best. Relative to where they were picked, Turner, Johnson, Udoh, Aminu, Aldrich, and Henry were awful—Joe Alexander put up as good or better rookie numbers than all of them.
by Frank Madden on Apr 18, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That's my point
It’s hard to say whether a draft is going to be great or poor, although i guess if bargs is #1 you might be safe in saying it wasn’t so good. Cousins might be the only other major contributor and he still has other issues. Fields look ok for a while but he’s not doing much now so who knows.
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I'm guessing Fields won't get a whole lot better...
He was a four year guy in college so he definitely has less upside than a 19- or 20-year-old. Doesn’t mean he can’t be a very productive NBA player, but…
by Frank Madden on Apr 19, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
John Wall was just on a awful team
16/8/4 is a nice stat line for a rookie PG, again that matches or beats D Rose’s rookie numbers across the board. Watching John Wall all season, the kid is going to be the player he was hyped to be.
yeah was a pretty poor rookie class
but perhaps alot of the lottery picks were bigger guys who might take a longer while to develop? or maybe they are just not that good! either way it was pretty underwhelming in terms of tangible contributions
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Tom Ziller has us picking
Kenneth Faried at 10? WTF I might change teams if the Bucks did that……it would be like Tractor Traylor v2.0 IMO. Please………………..
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idk who Tom Ziller is but...
I think Faried will be a lot like Brockman. Definitely not top 10 material. On the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised if the draft boards shake up quite a bit b4 draft day. Once the draft combine and player workouts start, there are guys that are sure to surprisingly climb into the lottery.
Agreed with the Brockman comparison
I might even take Jimmer over Faried. Burks, Leonard or Hamilton for me please in that order
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Definitely a rebounder, though he's leaner/longer/more athletic than JB
Brockman is 260 pounds but short/alligator-armed (DX has him 6’8" in shoes with a matching wingspan), so he’s kind of unique in that he can bang with centers but has no ability to block shots (even in college he never averaged more than 0.3 bpg).
I haven’t seen much of Faried beyond one NCAA game and the scouting report video on DX, but he’s only 225 lbs and blocked 2.3 shots per game last year.
by Frank Madden on Apr 20, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He's one of those guys you watch and you love his effort
But in the back of your mind you’re thinking not in the NBA. Not really a priority anyway for the Bucks to have another undersized PF, although with his lack of an offensive game he’d fit in nicely.
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3 Kentucky players declare
http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/042011aaa.html
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Dear DeAndre Liggins
Really? Worth noting he’s already 23, so maybe he’s feeling too old to still be in college…
by Frank Madden on Apr 20, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
First word I thought of was
Why?
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Alec Burks
Press conference today to make his announcement.
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As expected he's in...
Based on very little information I’m warming to the idea of him…
by Frank Madden on Apr 21, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm warming to the idea of a wing
Who can score and might play some
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Burks to the Bucks!
Even though I know little about him.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Apr 21, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Will he still be there at 10 is the question
and the answer is likely no. An sophomore, athletic 6’6" SG who handles the rock like a PG and scores. He can only increase his stock at the combine by showing off his athleticism and versatility.
If we want a SG in this draft
we might want to start warming to the idea of taking Klay Thompson a bit before his the BPA.
Burks much better handle and ability to take it to the hole
Thompson much better shooter, Thompson would likely be a reach but if he’s filling a need do you do it? Or try to do a pre-arranged trade i.e. draft for another team and maybe get something in the bargain. Chicago might be persuaded to part with one of their 2 first rounders but both picks would likely be late for Thompson.
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I dodn't even realize that
Klay was Mychal Thompson’s son, I always admired Mychal as a player.
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