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Why not the Jimmer?

While I hold my breath, cross my fingers, and collect four leaf clovers for tonight's lottery, deep down I know the universe just doesn't like me enough to give the Bucks a top three pick. So with the 10th (maybe the 11th) pick every mock I've seen has the Bucks taking a power forward in either Tristan Thompson or Marcus Morris. My first question is why? Surely our Power Forward by committee leaves plenty to be desired. Between Sanders, Ilyasova, Gooden and Mbah a Moute the Bucks lack someone that can truly help relieve some of the rebounding pressure off of Andrew Bogut but is a player picked tenth in the draft and lacking game-changing height like Thompson and Morris going to change that? 

Forgive me for stating the obvious but the biggest problem with the bucks is scoring. Jennings has yet to show that he can consistently control a game and none of our options at the two guard are legitimate scoring options (sorry Salmons but its true). I can't be alone when I say that I'm sick of watching the Bucks hold their opponents under ninety points and not score enough to win. Which is why I think, if given the chance, the Bucks need to draft Jimmer Fredette. More of my rationale after the jump:

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The most prolific scorer in college last year has a lot of question marks when it comes to translating to the NBA but most experts agree that he'll develop into a Stephen Curry type player with solid offensive production while being a sore spot on defense. Someone that can attack the basket and be trusted to hit outside shots is exactly what Brandon Jennings needs to really open up the offense and hit his own potential. The argument could be made that he needs the ball in his hands to be productive but even if thats the case Jennings clearly needs a solid backup. The Bucks missed Luke Ridnour more than anyone would like to admit. Furthermore, who could be trusted more than Scott Skiles to help Jimmer with the weakest part of his game on the defensive end. With Jimmer being a solid option at both guard spots and the only potent offensive weapon likely to be available by the time its the Bucks turn to draft I can't see any reason to go with anyone else.

The excitement that Jimmer would bring to the fan-base is just icing on the cake but can't be ignored with the uncertainty surrounding Herb Kohl's ownership and the huge letdown the 2010-11 season was. So while I understand that there's risk involved with a player like Jimmer Fredette, the uncertainty surrounding this draft class makes me think it is the perfect time to take that risk.

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Him and Jennings together would help the offense, but

would seriously hinder the defense. Jimmer I think wouldn’t be too bad guarding a regular PG be/c he’s 6’2" and his defense is actually underrated IMO (not good, just underrated), but with him and Jennings on the court at the same time one of them would have to guard the 2-guard, which could be 6’7" Danny Granger, or 6’7" Joe Johnson, etc. And Jennings already has a tough time guarding big PGs like Rodney Stuckey (averaged 21.7 ppg vs us this season). The defensive issues would be worth it with me if Jimmer instantly scored 20+ ppg shooting over 45% scoring inside and out, but I don’t see that happening.

That being said, I don’t really want a PF as much as a scoring wing, we already have young developmental PFs inculding last years 1st round pick Sanders. But I would be looking more for Alec Burks or Brandon Knight if you’re looking for a guy to score + handle the ball with Jennings, and guard a SG.

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by BlackPack-fan on May 17, 2011 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Is Jimmers D better/worse than Ridnour/Jennings? And by how much?

I know he is projected to struggle on D in the NBA – but it’s not like Ridnour or Jennings have been the 2nd coming of Gary Payton [pre-Bucks GP, anyways] ; )

Atleast he’d bring a lil excitment to the BC….

by victor s on May 17, 2011 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Depends where you stand on team needs

If you think the Bucks need to get longer/more athletic above all else then Jimmer’s out the window…he’s not going to lock anyone down on the perimeter and he’s not going to be a guy helping you score points in the paint either. To me his ideal position is as a PG, because as BP-f said above he’s simply not big enough to be a regular shooting guard.

But we also need somebody who can shoot, and clearly that’s his biggest strength. I think Curry is probably the best case scenario, as Stephen’s a bit taller/longer, but I don’t see any guarantee he reaches that level. It’s also possible he ends up more of an Eddie House-style designated gunner, though I think he has better passing instincts than that.

Defensively I’m not sure. I don’t think they wanted him busting his ass on defense at BYU because he did absolutely everything for them offensively, so I would be wary of getting too down on his defense because of the disinterest he showed in college. He doesn’t project very well defensively because he’s not a great athlete, but I imagine his effort level will be much better in the NBA.

by Frank Madden on May 17, 2011 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Why not

Bryce Drew v2.0 IMO

"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh

by CanadaBucks on May 17, 2011 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

The truth about PG defense...

…is that it really doesn’t matter. At least not much. Jennings is actually a decent defender despite his size, but it is basically impossible for any of the above-average point guards in the NBA to defend each other anyway, and it really doesn’t matter. Throw in the fact that, at first, Jimmer would probably only be coming off the bench, and his defense, no matter how bad, can be compensated for.

I’d be surprised if Jimmer reached the same level as Curry. Jimmer can match him shot-for-shot, but Curry’s ability to run an offense has been pretty incredible, and Jimmer wasn’t really relied upon to do that at BYU; he just scored and scored and scored.

My worry with drafting Jimmer is that your paying for hype to a significant extent and you might only ever end up with an above-average bench gunner. I’d rather take somebody with greater physical ability/upside in the lottery, then get an elite (if one-dimensional) shooter in the 2nd round. Somebody like Jon Diebler.

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by Dan Sinclair on May 17, 2011 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

What I do like about Jimmer...

…is he’s a guaranteed high-character player who will bust his rear end all day long and never complain about being in a city like Milwaukee. That counts for something.

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by Dan Sinclair on May 17, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kind of like the CSNY lyric

If you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with

"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh

by CanadaBucks on May 17, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

do-do do do do do DO DO!

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by Dan Sinclair on May 17, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just cant get my had around drafting a kid called Jimmer

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by ILIKEBJ'S on May 18, 2011 5:02 AM CDT reply actions  

For the love of all that is holy

please NO JIMMER. I think he will flame out of the league the same way Adam Morrison did.

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by Mitchell Maurer on May 18, 2011 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

strikes me basically as JJ Reddick...best case scenario

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by ILIKEBJ'S on May 18, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think his ceiling is closer to Ben Gordon

That is, Ben Gordon’s best

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by Dan Sinclair on May 18, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

GASP!

How dare you compare Jimmer to a black NBA player? ;)

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by Jacob Grinyer on May 18, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The reason I think Jimmer could help the Bucks is becaue of how good Skiles is at: hiding a guy on defense, and how well the Bulls played with Ben Gordon as their go to guy. Someone above made the comparison, and I have thought that for a long time. Jimmer is totally Ben Gordon. Unreal jumpshooter, creative jump shooter, stocky and strong, no defense whatsoever…

I don’t think the Bucks will take Jimmer. But if they did, I think Skiles could win with him out there and he could give us 15ppg as a rookie and energize the fanbase. Long term though, I don’t think he is an everyday NBA starter, just like the Bulls and Pistons both decided Gordon was better off the bench.

I think the Bucks greatest need are more smart, intense, versatile, athletic players (who are efficient offensively). Bogut fits most of these categories. Delfino maybe. But the problem with the Illyasovas and Mboutes are that they are so poor offensively that (like pointed out above) we hold the other team under 90 ppg and we still lose. Because Mboute can’t dribble or shoot, Illyasova can’t catch a pass or pivot, Gooden is too spazzt, etc.

I get what Skiles and Hammond are trying to do (5 hardworking, team oriented, defensive guys with competance on offense) but we are pretty woefully short on that last category.

by REO Sheedwagon on May 18, 2011 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I really like Jimmer as a 2nd 1st round pick for the Bucks

Its on the Bucks to figure out how to work some magic here.

by FearTheDeer on May 19, 2011 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

You wonder if the Rockets really like someone at 10

Would they do 14 and 23 for 10? would the Bucks? I might if Burks was gone.

"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh

by CanadaBucks on May 19, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah

Not in this draft, where 10-25 are almost even. Also, Brooks or Klay Thompson are better shooters.

by toasterrebound on May 26, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's wrong with Adam Morrison?

Oh, wait…

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by Big Crazy Dave on May 20, 2011 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Jimmer Fredette was the focal point in a system that taught him to dominate on offense and become a passive wet rag on defense. His stats were grossly inflated by the fact that the only other competent scorer on the team was kicked off for being twenty. He is a whisper of a shadow of a mirage of a decent NBA backup. There’s more Jeremy Lin in him than Magic.

by MadTown Hoops on May 21, 2011 1:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Even if...

Jimmer turns out to be similar to Kyle Korver, I’d like to shoot for a little more at 10, like maybe a starter for 10 years or so Realize that might not happen either but I’d rather take my chances on someone a little more rounded.(and I don’t mean Tiny Gallon like)

"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh

by CanadaBucks on May 21, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’ll say it again, I think Jimmer would hurt a NBA club more than he would help them in most cases. But Skiles advocates a strange culture and scheme where I think this is crazy enough to work. Ben Gordon’s stud shooting days with Skiles Bulls seem to give my theory some evidence. I remember those teams: Hinrich dribbling around aimlessly while Antonio Davis and Tyson Chandler set multiple screens for Gordon to get free and sink a crazy jumper. It wasn’t pretty, but it was effective and I developed a huge appreciation for Gordon’s game.

Deep down, I am pretty certain that the Bucks can improve their offense with a prospect or trade that is more in the range of NBA prototypes. But my love for Jimmer probably flows out of my disgust for how poorly the Bucks shot this last year. It was so horrible to watch a team that tried to attack with midrange jumpers, yet couldn’t knock down midrange jumpers. Ugh.

by REO Sheedwagon on May 21, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

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