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NBA Draft Lottery Study: Part Three - The Last Decade

In part one, we introduced PER as the metric du jour for our draft study.  In part two, we applied the study to the current Bucks roster, and found out that they're not all that good, at least in terms of PER.  Now, in our thrilling conclusion, we present the results of the study conducted over the past few months, and hopefully get some direction on where the team might look for improvement.

With a record of 35-47, the Bucks were "good" enough for the 10th overall slot in Monday's draft lottery.  Barring a trade, they'll likely stay at the same position they were at in 2009 when Brandon Jennings was brought aboard. Conventional thinking would leave us disappointed; after all, the real franchise cornerstones are found at the top of the draft, not in the late lottery.  On a team full of capable role players, the last thing the Bucks need is another one, and that's exactly what the 10th overall pick offers.  Or does it?

Star-divide

The groundwork for the draft study is the same as in part two: Players' performances over the course of their career peaks were displayed in what we call the "3-year PER peak".  The metric is the average of the player's three highest consecutive qualifying seasons' PER measurements.  If that doesn't quite make sense (and I can empathize if it doesn't), here's a refresher on what a qualifying season is:

By our standards, a qualifying season is one in which the player plays in at least 50 games and averages at least 12.0 minutes played per game.  If one of those two conditions is not met, that player's season is rendered non-qualifying for the purposes of this study. 

So we go over a player's career stats, eliminate any seasons that don't meet these benchmarks, then find and average the three remaining highest consecutive season PER scores.  Simple, no?

Now that you're up to speed, here are some of the finer points of things:

The study reaches back to the 2000 NBA draft, when Kenyon Martin was taken first overall by the New Jersey Nets. We considered the top-16 draft choices each year; although the lottery technically cuts off at 14, we went two picks extra because a) it divides the top of the draft into four neat little tiers (picks 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, and 13-16), and b) there are usually players who are projected to go in the lottery but slip slightly below (Hedo Turkoglu, Al Jefferson, Rodney Stuckey), and going two picks further helps catch those players.

Below is the basic product containing just the 3-year PER peak average of all 176 players considered:

Overall pick 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 AVG
1 17.70 13.20 23.66 30.70 25.21 18.79 15.58 18.13 19.49 21.93 15.85 20.02
2 17.85 15.99 12.80 13.33 18.54 14.62 19.67 23.61 16.25 12.91 10.87 16.04
3 13.87 23.18 14.65 21.86 17.41 20.98 6.80 19.13 13.87 15.24 13.90 16.44
4 15.72 16.83 18.01 23.84 11.98 26.81 15.89 14.71 18.86 16.37 10.20 17.20
5 16.85 18.36 5.17 28.07 18.52 15.24 12.23 13.58 21.17 0.00 14.62 14.89
6 12.90 14.99 0.00 15.08 15.76 11.25 21.57 11.55 15.30 10.10 9.56 12.55
7 15.56 14.44 19.42 15.98 17.34 16.91 12.82 11.48 15.89 17.89 18.07 15.98
8 16.67 11.53 15.87 18.56 7.09 14.41 16.52 0.00 10.19 13.10 9.58 12.14
9 12.91 13.04 23.61 15.16 18.59 15.81 0.00 16.75 14.01 13.57 10.73 14.02
10 13.09 18.50 19.28 11.89 0.00 20.48 0.00 13.29 19.16 15.12 13.06 13.08
11 13.62 10.40 10.52 12.39 18.13 0.00 12.63 8.91 12.28 11.58 0.00 10.04
12 14.66 14.16 12.47 14.67 0.00 0.00 10.70 15.97 14.00 13.25 0.00 9.99
13 11.25 16.81 0.00 12.36 10.74 0.00 10.09 12.21 9.76 16.56 15.83 10.51
14 9.00 17.25 12.07 15.28 16.49 13.93 15.55 12.35 16.51 0.00 16.91 13.21
15 11.03 13.68 13.53 0.00 21.97 8.57 0.00 16.24 15.65 13.01 10.86 11.32
16 16.24 0.00 11.81 0.00 11.65 11.56 12.36 12.78 17.82 0.00 0.00 8.57

That's a lot of information in one table, and it's only the basic product.  We went way deeper into the numbers, and the things we found are simply too robust to post here.  Thanks to the power of Google, you can look over the spreadsheet yourself.  Click here for the entire file.

While you're free to come to your own conclusions, here are a few things that we noticed that are interesting:

1) The draft is big.  I don't mean this in terms of importance to rebuilding teams, or as a league event, or as a milestone for prospective players.  I mean this in terms of positions drafted: 41% of draft picks over the past decade-plus were either power forwards or centers.  The remaining 59% is split between guards and wings, with a slight advantage for the latter.  

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2) The draft is a gamble.  Maybe not a gamble per se, but there's definitely some calculated risk involved here.  By taking qualifying seasons and dividing them by the total possible seasons, we can get a percentage that reflects how much of a player's career will meet the minimum threshold (50 games played, 12.0 minutes per game).  The table itself doesn't lend to a convenient cut/paste, but I can tell you it's on page 1 of the "SUMMARY" tab on the Google Doc.

Qualifying probability      Overall        Pick
87.8% 3
81.5% 7
81.1% 4
78.8% 1
77.5% 2
77.5% 5
73.5% 10
72.4% 6
63.5% 14
61.9% 9
61.1% 8
57.5% 13
56.0% 15
48.9% 11
47.2% 12
43.2% 16

Surprisingly, the data shows that there is not as much consistency among the top tiers of draft picks.  For example, the first overall pick does not have the highest "success percentage"; picks 3, 4, and 7(!) have a higher likelihood of meeting the aforementioned season marks.  Another surprising find is that picks 11 and 12 both come with a success probability of less than 50%, making them the riskiest positions in the lottery.

3. Busts are every year, but not everywhere.  For the purposes of our study, we defined a bust as a player who could not muster a 3-year PER peak greater than 10.0.  (2009 and 2010 draftees were exempt, since they haven't really gotten a fair chance yet).  Low expectations, sure, but the last eleven drafts averaged nearly 2 busts a year.

The busts, however, are definitely concentrated at the bottom of the lottery.  Picks 1-8 yielded a total of five players who failed to meet the most rudimentary of benchmarks.  Picks 9-16?  Sixteen busts, including players like Robert Swift, Cedric Simmons, and Sean May.  

4. GMs don't suck as much as we make them out to suck.  This comes straight from Steven von Horn, our resident stat-man:

"In general, NBA scouting departments and GMs do a pretty good job of approximating the talent level in the draft and selecting the most talented and most successful players with the higher picks the majority of the time. This is pretty impressive stuff nearly any way you look at it:

  • Of the 4 players with a three-year peak PER above 25 in the past decade, 2 have been selected with the 1st pick overall (LeBron James in 2003 and Dwight Howard in 2004). The two other players were also taken in the top 5 picks (Dwayne Wade at pick #5 in 2003 and Chris Paul at pick #4 in 2005).
  • Of the 16 players with a three-year peak PER above 20 in the past decade, 12 have been drafted in the top 5 picks. Meanwhile, only 1 has been drafted outside the top 10 picks (Al Jefferson at pick #15 in 2004).
  • Of the 78 players with three-year peak PER above 15 in the past decade, only 16 of those players have been drafted outside of the top 10 picks. That means 79.5% of the above-average players, according to PER, drafted in the past decade have been taken in the top 10 picks."
That's all well and good, Steve, but just wait until the 2012 version of this study, when we can look at Jonny Flynn and Ricky Rubio.  DAVID KAHN AND HIS GAGGLE OF POINT GUARDS SHALL BE ROASTED.

5. The 10th overall pick isn't that bad of a spot.  Consider this: the 10th overall pick already has the 7th highest "success percentage", as noted in point 2.  It also has the 6th highest average adjusted PER peak (which removes all of the busts and only considers qualifying players).  And for this years' Bucks team, who will be looking to add a wing, it just so happens that wing players have the best average performance of all players selected between picks 9-12.  

Pos.    PER
PG 12.02
PG/SG 13.13
SG 11.59
SG/SF 14.29
SF 11.08
SF/PF 14.10
PF 12.01
PF/C 11.28
C 10.37

Obviously, these numbers are below-average, but they're only considering the players selected in the "third tier" of the lottery (picks 9-12) and these numbers are brought down by busts like Rafael Araujo, Luke Jackson, and Patrick O'Bryant.  So if John Hammond stays put, targets a wing, and doesn't screw it up by taking a guy who can't play, there's a solid chance that the Bucks can add a good player.

And that's just it, isn't it?  The whole point of the draft is to add, at the very least, a good player.  And even in a draft where prospects are dropping out due to the whole labor uncertainty issue, hope springs eternal for our beloved Bucks.  

Unless they take Jimmer Fredette.   Then we are effed, my friends.  EFFED LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS.
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Let's get this comment party started! Here are a couple left over points I had...

Of the 21 true bust players with a three-year peak PER below ten in the past decade (excluding players from the 2009 and 2010 draft classes due to sample size concerns), only 1 has been drafted in the top 4 picks (Adam Morrison at pick #3 in 2006), and only 5 have been drafted in picks 5-8 (Nikoloz Tskitishvili at pick #5 in 2002, Dajuan Wagner at pick #6 in 2002, Rafael Araujo at pick #8 in 2004, and Brandon Wright at pick #8 in 2007).

*Interesting note #1: For the 5 true busts selected in the top 10, the GMs truly screwed the proverbial pooch because the player selected directly after them have three-year peak PERs above 15 in every case except for Dajuan Wagner being selected immediately after Nikoloz Tskitishvili.

*Interesting note #2: If we expand the "true busts" to include all players below their positional replacement level PER (but still excluding players from the 2009 and 2010 draft classes), 6 more players are added to the bust pool but only one is in the top 10 picks (Kedrick Brown at pick #8 in 2008). The other replacement level bust additions are DeSanga Diop at pick #11 in 2001, Jared Jeffries at pick #11 in 2002, Hilton Armstrong at pick #12 in 2006, Sebastian Telfair at pick #13 in 2004, and Thabo Sefolosha at pick #13 in 2006.

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by Steve von Horn on May 18, 2011 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Of that group, I think Thabo Sefolosha and Jared Jeffries still have a shot at decent careers

defensive specialists always get their spots.

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by Mitchell Maurer on May 18, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m going to continue to clamor for Motiejunas. Yahoo has us taking Marcus Morris, which looks pretty good to me.

by MadTown Hoops on May 18, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

How is it possible....

that there is no mention of Kwame Brown or Darko Milicic on this post?

by everyoneruns on May 18, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Statistically, they haven't been THAT bad

Busts, yes, but both at least managed to crack 10.0 PER

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by Mitchell Maurer on May 18, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

GMs dont suck as much as we make them out to suck.........

finally someone explains how Colangelo got an extension

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 18, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Coangelo still kind of sucks, though

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by Mitchell Maurer on May 18, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

very much I was kinda surprised by the move

but I guess Toronto thought better the devil you know……but hard to figure why he should get a chance to remedy the mess he created

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 18, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I at least give him credit for getting rid of Hedo so quickly...

Problem was that not only did he take Bargs 1st overall, but he then thought he could build around him and Bosh…when clearly the combination wouldn’t work and sealed Bosh’s departure from TO. Then there’s Calderon, who dropped off after getting his big deal.

by Frank Madden on May 18, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

He still doesn't seem to have a real vision...or at least one that would be apparent to fans

Some decent moves along the way…they have remained committed to developing DeRozan (which seems to be paying off now) and he acquired a former lottery pick like Bayless on the cheap, but after that is has been overpaying guys like Calderon and doubling-down on Bargs while paying the Amir Johnsons of the world.

I can’t quite figure out if he’s being graded on a curve given the departure of Bosh or what, but they seem pretty far away from being relevant.

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

by Steve von Horn on May 18, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

hard to see them going anywhere unless the coach is out, the only rep they have as a team is one that doesnt play any D

kudos to the management quietly slipped in the extension during the draft hoopla……sly

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 18, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Problem is

All his “good” moves are to cover for the crap moves he makes

"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh

by CanadaBucks on May 18, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

#10 Pick

I feel like we could trade that and find a way to somehow get rid of gooden or maggette. 2 boneheads that are use to failing don’t belong on a team trying to rise up. Bogut could go too, that arm injury took the calibur of his game down a few notches. If none of that happens I’ll only be happy if they draft Maurice Morris or Derrick Williams.

by shapnel_66 on May 18, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

still with our level of talent and lack of quality depth throughout even with the 10 pick

we really should be positive about landing a player who can make an impact on this team, the chance is there for someone to grasp it

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 18, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Robert Swift...ah the memories

hard to believe Seattle in three consecutive drafts picked Swift, Petro & Saer Sene

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 18, 2011 2:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Year 1: Finally, a big man!

Year 2: This time, it’s different.
Year 3: No, really, this time, it’ll work.

/eventually trades for Perkins

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by Mitchell Maurer on May 18, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha they already had Nick Collison onboard I think...........grass is always greener

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 18, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

We might as well draft a player at a position that might garner the most minutes.

Alec Burks is fine, but he’s a 2. How much time will he get realistically with Skiles’ love fest of Salmons? We would be better off with a 3 or a more versatile swing man who can play 2 or 3. Delfino is bound to get injured, which is why Jordan Hamilton, Kawhi Leonard, and that ilk would thrive more on the Bucks.

by tommyr on May 18, 2011 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Why is Delfino bound to get injured?

Burks would still be an interesting addition in my mind because of his reported ability to handle the ball…they don’t seem to interested in letting Dooling be the primary backup PG anymore, and they like to play Jennings off the ball sometimes, so Burks could maybe do a bit of initiating the offense (instead of having Delfino or Dooling be the other options to do so).

I still like Hamilton for his shot, but I’d leave Burks on your list.

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

by Steve von Horn on May 18, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think part of the reason Salmons played so much is because we DIDN'T have a guy like Burks

Obviously Salmons didn’t make enough plays this year, but he is a guy who can initiate offense for himself or others…CDR, Maggette, and Delfino aren’t as capable in that sense. CDR/Maggette don’t pass or handle the ball as well, and Carlos just isn’t a threat off the bounce, though he is unselfish and a good passer.

I also think that’s why Dooling played so much SG this year—Skiles likes having a second ball-handler on the court, which we saw the prior year with Ridnour as well. I’m not sure if he has always been like that or if it’s because Jennings is more of a shooter than passer, but it does seem to be a trend.

The value of someone like Burks is that he could step into Salmons’ role offensively better than most. The flip side is that he’s not the type you can park in the corner and feed spot-up jumpers to, but at #10 nobody’s going to be perfect. And it’s certainly possible to play him with Salmons at the 3.

by Frank Madden on May 18, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree Frank

Burks is the type of player we lack.

by tommyr on May 19, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I am too tough on Delfino

But certain players develop a small history of injuries. Granted, he’s not Bogut in that regard. My wish is to upgrade at that position. I like Delfino’s game, but like Salmons, he’s not a bonafide starter.

by tommyr on May 19, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

The difference is Carlos' role has always been fairly clear

Unlike Salmons, Carlos is paid like a role player and is utilized that way as well, which simplifies things. You could easily bring him off the bench and it wouldn’t be a big deal.

Part of the problem with Salmons is that he’s used like a first option/closer type when he’s not…and just from a budget standpoint it’s tough to say we should add a big money swingman when we already have so much money sunk into those spots. Makes it difficult to upgrade the position.

by Frank Madden on May 19, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be up for working enough flexibility to add Arron Afflalo, but it's hard to justify spending big on a swingman in my opinion anyways...

Hammond does have a track record of going after players he was involved in drafting (Delfino and Amir Johnson), so I am sure Afflalo will be on the Bucks’ list, but I’d rather see someone like Burks or Hamilton come through the draft at a lesser price considering they still have holes to fill at backup C, backup PG, and designated shooter.

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

by Steve von Horn on May 19, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree on Afflalo

Would add perimeter shooting while still bringing the defensive mindset Skiles likes.

by Frank Madden on May 19, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

A little too unreal?

I doubt a .600+ TS% is sustainable. He does seem to be a player on the rise, though.

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by Dan Sinclair on May 19, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the idea of too unreal...that's almost enough to be real again :)

I doubt he keeps it that high, but it’s clear he understand how to be efficient, and how to maximize his own game…nobody can post a TS% that high for an entire season without understanding the strengths and weaknesses of his own game, and furthermore having enough skill to sustain a high level of efficiency over 82 games getting starters minutes on a playoff team. Suffice it to say I am impressed.

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

by Steve von Horn on May 20, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I read a lot of fans talking about moving Salmons and Gooden at any cost, and I don’t put them in that category. Yes, they are both overpaid underachievers and Hammond should not have given them the money and the years that he did. But with Redd’s money coming off the books and the tenth pick in the draft (and the MLE) there are some opporunities for management to bump them to the bench. I don’t mind either as bench guys. Its having them as starters that really hurts us.

Maggette however, is a guy that I think we have to get rid of no matter the cost. I see what Hammond and Skiles were trying to do by bringing him in. But he is just too hardheaded and tennel visioned to do anything put put his head down and charge to the rim like a bull every time he gets the ball.

by REO Sheedwagon on May 18, 2011 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not sure what people expect to do if we somehow got rid of Salmons/Gooden

Their value is at a low-point right now, so you’re not getting anything other than another team’s overpaid guy—unless you use some of our assets to bribe another team to take Gooden/Salmons for expiring contracts or whatever.

And then what? I don’t see why a team like the Bucks would be willing to give up useful assets (Bogut, Jennings, Sanders) just to get cap space. Flexibility is good, but I don’t see free agency as some sort of magic elixir.

by Frank Madden on May 18, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the goal is to "right" some "wrongs"....

does it matter what you get for them? I realize that FA isn’t much of an option anyway, but I think this team needs to get much worse before it gets much better.

by tommyr on May 19, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm not even sure what trading John Salmons means at this point

Even if we dumped him for nothing we probably wouldn’t be any worse. The only way to REALLY tank is trading/not having Bogut for a full year IMO. And I can’t see how trading him is worth it.

by Frank Madden on May 19, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Josh Childress matches up perfectly contract-wise with Salmons

That’s the only feasible exchange I can even come up with that brings back a younger player with a proven efficiency…and it sort of makes sense if the Suns are taking one last crack at it with Nash…but that’s about as far as I can go with what it would mean.

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

by Steve von Horn on May 19, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest I don't see Maggette, Gooden or Salmons as "must-gos"

I would LOVE to see Alec Burks end up a Buck. I really think he has the agressive nose for the rim we need on this team. However, I would also be OK with Kawhi Leonard or one of the Morris brothers. But my first option is definitely Alec Burks.

I see your point about Maggette, but when no one else on the team is looking to drive to the rim, I wasn’t that angry with him looking to get to the line all the time. Gooden was hurt too long to get a real good feel and Salmons you would hope bounces back next season.

by 1BuckShort on May 18, 2011 4:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Maggette

I think the Bucks should try to move him mainly because I don’t think Skiles wants to play him. He’s obviously not a perfect player—far from it—but it’s just hard to have a guy making that much money rotting on the bench. Better to find another flawed but useful guy and start over.

by Frank Madden on May 18, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same feelings on Maggette

I just don’t want Maggette around if he isn’t played. He has some value as his contract isn’t long and not too huge of a salary. It would be nice to send him to a team that can take on some extra salary and get an expiring deal in return.

by Finkle_is_Einhorn on May 19, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Burks in a Mil uni next season, if only for the fact that the front and back of his jersey would read 'BUCKS - BURKS'

Hmm…Alec Bucks and the Milwaukee Burks :)

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by Big Crazy Dave on May 19, 2011 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose the reality is this team will go by how much Bogut gets back to being effective on offense

and how Jennings curve goes next season, everyone else on the squad is kind of like plugging holes, they can be effective in role playing parts, but anything more is a real stretch

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 18, 2011 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Draft pick graph is mighty cool.

by Alex Boeder on May 18, 2011 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I concur.

Interesting to see how the most guaranteed solid players get picked at 7. No superstars, but no major busts yet either (Brewer could still go either way tho)

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on May 19, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

there should be a thing called the Minnesota draft effect.......your always fighting the odds after getting drafted by them

That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 19, 2011 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, this is great work

There just so much more analysis that can be done! This should be a must-read for every mock lottery writer-to-be/

by clicc916 on May 19, 2011 1:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Biyambo...

How about the new buck being Bismack Biyambo, thats a mouthful. Another 4 year project!!! 6’9 245 straight outta the Congo, I’m interested in him, I like Burks too and the other guy I’m feeling is Keneth Fareid from Morehead state, that guy rebounds and plays hardcore style all the time.

by puremisery on May 19, 2011 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

My opinion on the two

If I felt Biyombo could play minutes at 5 I would draft him, if not I’d pass

I would pass on Faried as I think he is more suited to a team that has enough offense and needs a player like he is. Kind of reminds me(not looks just game)of Bo Outlaw who used to play with the Magic IIRC. Not much on the offensive end and I’d rather go after a player who can score.

Biyombo would be better just because he has more sized IMO.

"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh

by CanadaBucks on May 19, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd guess he'll play some 5

He’s thick as all get out and has a 7’7" wingspan, so the 6’9" part (only 6’7.75" barefoot) is a bit misleading.

by Frank Madden on May 20, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

What does Biyombo give you that you do not already have with Larry Sanders. Another defensive big man with limited offensive skills…

by VirginiaKingsFan on May 20, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

But biyombo can rebound

And has a big body. he wouldn’t be my first choice but i wouldn’t be dissapointed as I might with other choices cough Jimmer cough

"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh

by CanadaBucks on May 20, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

We don't know if Sanders is ever going to be a legit NBA starter

I hope it happens, but he’s got a ways to go, so I don’t think having him impacts your approach too much in the lottery. Bucks need someone big enough to backup Bogut at center, so if they think Biyombo can do that then I’m fine with picking him.

by Frank Madden on May 20, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't it funny...

…that if Sandman had stayed in college one more year, he would have had a good run at the NCAA Tourney AND could have been a top 5 draft pick in this current draft!

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on May 20, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jumped this link over from Sactown Royalty. BB is an intriguing prospect for sure with Ben Wallace like defensive potential with rebounding. Had to mention Sanders since I am a VCU alum and hope he works out for the Bucks…

by VirginiaKingsFan on May 20, 2011 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Showed promise as a rookie

Hope he adds some core/lower body strength because his biggest issue in the short term is his strength down low…didn’t rebound well and can sometimes have issues holding ground in the post. But he’s a great kid, excellent length/quickness and some surprising touch from mid-range. I’m hopeful.

by Frank Madden on May 20, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really hope Bogut can spend a lot of time mentoring Larry...

…and show him how to do things with two good arms next season. The kid is still growing into his frame too. It can take a while for the co-ordination of some tall guys to catch up with their growth, especially footwork. Larry has looked awkward getting his feet and arms to work in unison at times. I was in my mid-20s before my own co-ordination caught up with my growth (I was a highly unco-ordinated teen)…about a year after I did my ACL and effectively destroyed any chance of playing sport at a higher level, sigh! I guess that’s why I live my sporting dreams out in cyberspace…

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on May 20, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea, Sanders was not a highly rated recruit out of high school and really blossomed at VCU. Even in the CAA he never rebounded like his size and long arms would suggest, sometimes lacking the stength to gain position under the basket. He started to show some ability to hit a jumper, run the floor, and block shots – and got himself into the first round last year. He is a good kid but see his upside as really a good situational match-up guy off the bench. At VCU, we are also happy to see Larry’s VCU teammate Eric Maynor giving the Thunder some good minutes.

by VirginiaKingsFan on May 20, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with your assessment of sanders

See him as a part-timer who plays more in fast-break offences. That’s why i think you might roll with BB if available, don’t think we’ll have that option though.

"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh

by CanadaBucks on May 20, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

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