All-Defense teams announced, Andrew Bogut snubbed again
by Dan Sinclair on May 9, 2011 3:43 PM CDT
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PrintThe NBA announced the selections for this year's All-Defensive teams today, and once again Andrew Bogut finished with little recognition. While Bogut has little chance of ever taking the center position on the First Team while Dwight Howard is in the league, seeing Tyson Chandler in the Second Team pivot is a bit...maddening.
We should give Chandler a little credit. Dallas improved its defensive efficiency to 8th-best in the NBA this year, and Chandler's defense played a big part. But there is no question that Andrew Bogut is the more talented individual defender. Despite anchoring a good Dallas defense, centers defended by Chandler still managed an above-average 17.4 PER, according to 82games.com. Bogut's counterparts, meanwhile, earned a mere 13.9 PER. Let's not forget that Milwaukee's DRtg was still a full 2.5 points better than the Mavericks', and Bogut's -3.6 on/off-court DRtg differential was the best of any Buck.
Throw in shot blocking (Bogut led the league, Chandler was 18th among centers averaging 20+ MPG), defensive rebounding (Bogut 4th in DRR, Chandler 7th), Bogut's stellar ability to draw charges, and more--the choice seems obvious.
Still, it's not simply that Bogut was snubbed as the second-best defensive center in the NBA. Bogut received a grand total of ONE POINT from the coaches (players were awarded two points for a First Team selection, one for a Second Team). Some players who received more points than Bogut: Keith Bogans (2), Wesley Matthews (4), and Chuck Hayes (10). Luc Mbah a Moute also received two points. Among big men, Joakim Noah (who played in 48 games and whose team allowed 4 pts/100 fewer with him on the bench), Tim Duncan, Al Horford, and Serge Ibaka also bested Bogut in the voting. Not coincidentally, all of them played on teams that won at least 44 games.
The individual merits of all these players can be debated, and in most cases each is worthy of praise for his efforts. But the continued ignorance of Andrew Bogut's individual talent, not to mention his value to one of the top defensive teams in the NBA, is laughable. Hopefully, Bogut's clean-up surgery at the conclusion of this past season has remedied the problems in his elbow. If Andrew looked good on defense this year (and trust us, he did) playing with only one good arm, just think what he'll do with two.
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The fact that the coaches voted on this is the scariest part...it's damn near impossible to be this wrong as a full-time NBA coach.
Bogut undoubtedly anchored the 4th best defense in the league, so the only thing I can think of is that Skiles’ hard-arse style and uncomplimentary approach towards Bogut might have undermined his reputation among coaches around the league…nothing else makes sense to me.
This is my half-baked analysis from my Juan Uribe days when I was upset Bogut got snubbed in the DPOY voting:
Here it is:
Games Bogut did not play this season (4 wins – 8 losses):
W @ IND on 11/5 – (88.2 pts allowed /100 possessions)
L @ CLE on 11/24 – (91.2 pts allowed /100 possessions)
L @ DET on 11/26 – (117.0 pts allowed /100 possessions)
W vs. CHA on 11/27 – (109.8 pts allowed /100 possessions)
L @ UTA on 11/29 – (117.2 pts allowed /100 possessions)
L @ DEN on 12/1 – (104.0 pts allowed /100 possessions)
W @ NJ on 1/8 – (100.0 pts allowed /100 possessions)
L @ PHX on 2/2 – (103.4 pts allowed /100 possessions)
L @ GSW on 2/3 – (108.7 pts allowed /100 possessions)
W vs. DET on 3/1 – (98.6 pts allowed /100 possessions)
L vs. PHX on 3/4 – (108.5 pts allowed /100 possessions)
L vs. BOS on 3/6 – (98.9 pts allowed /100 possessions)
Because efficiency is expressed on a per possession basis, we can average these values to get the overall defensive efficiency of the team without Bogut. The Overall defensive efficiency in those games (per possession), given in both absolute terms and relative to the rest of the league is:
103.8 pts allowed/ 100 possessions…NBA league average is 104.3, and the Bucks without Bogut would be ranked as the 14th best defense in the NBA.
The Bucks overall defensive efficiency this season (including all games…Bogut and non-Bogut) is:
100.2 pts allowed/100 possessions…this ranks the Bucks as the 4th best defense in the NBA.
So now let’s see how good the defense is with Bogut (ie- how he pulls them up from 14th best defense to 4th best defense). I do a bit of math to take the season efficiency value and adjust for the 12 games without Bogut to find out just how good a defense the Bucks have been in the 49 games with Bogut, and the result is:
99.3 pts allowed/100 possessions. This is good for 4th best in the NBA.
With Bogut: top-5 defense.
Without Bogut: 14th overall defense.
IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
by Steve von Horn on May 9, 2011 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
utterly disgusted and pissed off
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
one point..........at least one person has a friggin clue
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
There's no other option...
Bucks are just going to have to win 48 games next year and force Bogut into the conversation :)
This is getting ridiculous.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 9, 2011 5:13 PM CDT reply actions
The only appropriate response to that...
…is laughter.
www.Brewhoop.com, http://where55happens.wordpress.com
or
…stunned silence…
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on May 13, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
You underestimate the power of DAVID LEE (exclamation point)
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by Jacob Grinyer on May 9, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a joke right ??
You can go as far as saying the coaches are stupid.
I wonder who feels more snubbed Bogut or the Bucks as an organization right now.
To be at the level he was at 90% of the games he played is just amazing considering he had one arm.
Yep
What’s really sad is that this is a coaches vote…easy to dog the media for not knowing what’s going on, but you’d expect the coaches would know a little better.
by Frank Madden on May 10, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess after 30 odd years as a Buck fan
And another 20+ as a fan of the Montreal Expos I am mostly immune to this and almost expect it. I remember in 77-78 when Marques Johnson probably got ripped off from being ROY instead of Walter Davis (player vote was 139-16 for Davis). I guess I am used to small market teams being snubbed, it will never change. These All-defense teams are based more on offense IMO, like Kobe Bryant??? Like the golden gloves used to be in baseball as well, if you were a better hitter that somehow meant you were better defensively too. Maybe next year we’ll win 50 and it will change
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
The thing that gets me with this one particular is that Bogut didn't have a subtle impact on defense for the Bucks.
Certainly some finer points of his game flashed when watching the Bucks every night, but the man lead the league in blocks per game, took a ton of charges, grabbed a ton of rebounds, and anchored a top 5 defense in the league. The story all year long for the Bucks was one of great defensive performances wasted by injuries and terrible offense, so even the poor record doesn’t explain why people within the league would overlook his defense.
As I said, Skiles did Bogut no favors with his uncomplimentary style, and the organization didn’t put together a campaign for him, but this is just so damn obvious. What’s the point making an award that acknowledges great defensive performances if they can’t get a guy like Bogut serious recognition?
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
by Steve von Horn on May 9, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
have to agree about Skiles, hardly ever talks up Bogut's defensive effort
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
But, but Grant Hill and Keith Bogans...
by MadTown Hoops on May 10, 2011 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions
You've gotta respect their efforts.
No. No you don’t.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 10, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm used to small-market teams/players being over-looked/passed-by for awards and such...
But this is a joke. Seriously.
The guy who led the NBA in blocks gets ONE vote???!!!
Wow.
First time since like '03 that the league-leader in blocks isn't a 1st or 2nd team All-Def guy
And that was Theo Ratliff—a shot-blocking specialist who didn’t rebound or play post defense.
by Frank Madden on May 10, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Grrrrr....
Maybe Bogut is still fighting the stigma of being the #1 pick???
The whole thing is baffling to me. I’m sure the teams poor record had something to do with it, but to get one point really is a joke. He’s the most complete defensive C in the NBA, IMO.
what a piss take......no respect for aussies
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I respect Olivia newton John
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Why? We don't!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on May 13, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Um ya
She was extremely hot.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
who?
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Rhetorical?
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Awards in sports are always a joke
Riddled with bias and unfounded criteria. At the very least, the awards should be given towards the end of the regular season, not towards the end of the playoffs.
@Steve – I wouldn’t bust Skiles’ balls too much on this. The fact that bragging and flash have a lot to do with who gets awards illustrates the flaws in the system. Yee who screams and yells the most gets the prize. What a joke.
We know better...
… or at least have a better/different perspective.
One more, and many more to come. Must get used to this kind of stuff.
Bogut is the man! Now, hire Rick Barry and all will be good next season.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on May 10, 2011 8:44 AM CDT reply actions
I don't usually get upset about this stuff, but this is too much
This would have been laughable if Bogut was snubbed from the top-5. I repeat LAUGHABLE, cause I believe that would have been a huge snubbing in and of itself. But one point!?! Whichever coaches voted for Jarvis Hayes to have 10 points, I would like to see them chose him over Bogut if that possibility ever came their way
This is one of the saddest, most embarrassing votes for an individual award I have ever seen. Look, I get Milwaukee wasn’t great last season, but damn if we weren’t lockin it down on defense. A little respect is all I ask, for a player who has certainly earned it.
I hope Bogut wins it next yr and then declines it.
That would certainly burn Stern’s ass. Muahahaha.
this is about 100x worse than greg monroe's all-rookie team snub
J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
Overall, I'm over y'all/
All y'all played out like overalls/
Meanwhile your girlfriend on my balls/
Laid that up like Pau Gasol
Really
He didn’t make the all-rookie team? Wow
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
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