Marcus Morris visits Milwaukee, Brandon Jennings working out with Skiles & co.
by Frank Madden on Jun 2, 2011 12:45 AM CDT
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BUCKS.com: 2011 Draft Workout - 06/01/11
Lots of quotes, notes, and some video from Jim Paschke about the Bucks' first draft workout, which featured Marcus Morris, Malcolm Delaney, Trey Thompkins, Anatoly Bose, Andrew Goudelock and Marquette's Dwight Buycks. Paschke reports the Bucks will have further workouts on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, though it's not clear if any potential lottery picks will be there. UPDATE: UCLA wing Tyler Honeycutt is the most notable name among the six players working out Thursday. Honeycutt has terrific length and athleticism but most have him as a late first round pick following a somewhat underwhelming sophomore season at UCLA.
The focus on Wednesday was not surprisingly on Kansas' Morris, who visited Milwaukee without his twin brother--interestingly, there's been no mention of the Bucks being interested in the bigger, slightly less skilled Markieff. The prospect of picking Morris doesn't seem to excite many of us in Bucks nation, though that shouldn't overshadow the fact that he was exceptionally productive as a junior for Kansas. That said, it always worries me when college big men try to convince you they're actually NBA small forwards, and over the last month Marcus has been doing his best to tell everyone he's more natural as a three. Taking the diplomatic route, director of scouting Billy McKinney sees him as a bit of both:
"He'll be a hybrid forward," McKinney said. "With some smaller lineups I could envision him playing the power forward position, but he's also good with his ballhandling skills out on the floor that he can play some small forward position as well."
He might be skilled enough to pull off the whole combo forward thing, but the idea of it doesn't get me all that excited. Jeremy also has a bit more over at Bucksketball.
Perhaps more interestingly, in the background of the video from the Cousins Center you can see Brandon Jennings working on finishing with his right hand--under the watchful eye of Scott Skiles and Joe Wolf. Good to see.
Woelfel: Milwaukee taking a look at Morris
Aside from mentioning the Morris workout, Gery Woelfel also reiterates the Bucks' apparent interest in BYU guard Jimmer Fredette--but also notes that the Bucks have not scheduled a date for him to visit with the team.
DX: New mock has Jan Vesely at #10
DraftExpress' latest mock has the Bucks taking Czech jumping jack Jan Vesely over Alec Burks, Tristan Thompson, Jordan Hamilton, and Fredette. Unfortunately, Vesely is not planning to work out for NBA teams, though he has said he's intent on making the leap to the NBA. Vesely's Serbian club team KK Partizan Belgrade will be in the playoffs until at least June 8 and possibly as long as June 14, and Vesely has said he'll come to New York at some point thereafter for measurements/interviews.
Ford: Potential first-round destinations for Jimmer Fredette
Worth noting: Ford doesn't list any teams higher than #12 (Utah) as likely destinations for Fredette.
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Anatoly Bose
Any chance as a late pick?
Would be great to have two Aussies on the team!
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3evag22
We should try to ditch a veteran for a pick by any way possible, and David Kahn has said he’s open to trading picks for vets. With Rubio now likely headed to the Frosty Twins, there’s a definite glut at point. We could trade Salmons, Ilyasova and our pick at ten for Ridnour, Webster and two and twenty. We’d have the ideal backup for Jennings, remove the craziness of Salmons contract (9 million for five years, look at that again and remember last year) and be able to get the young help we need. Derrick Williams and our choice of Jordan Hamilton or Donatas Motiejunas would help a lot more than Alec Burks or any of the other stuff that will fall to ten. This team needs a shakeup.
Oh, I didn't realize Salmons contract was descending, still...
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 2, 2011 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Kahn that dumb?
I really don’t think so, there’s got to be more for him to change 2 and 20 into 10.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Kahn that dumb? Is that a trick question?
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
maybe if you swap
Flynn for ridnour they might.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
It was tough to say how much he was worth
Last season was a career year for Luke, and while his good play was a big reason for Milwaukee’s success, there wasn’t a ton of evidence to suggest it was repeatable. There are a lot of backup point guards out there, hate to overpay for one, especially in a long-term deal.
Especially one already over 30...I think even the Bucks had a limit on how many 30 year old players they could sign in one offseason :)
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
by Steve von Horn on Jun 2, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks to BrewHoop
For posting the Bucks workout stuff. It’s a lot of fun, and gets the old fan juices going for the draft.
"Hybrid Forward" =
= tweener
= “perimeter bird” wannabe
= Power(less) Forward
The Bucks have an unbalanced roster full of similar stuff. I hope he does not get drafted at 10.
When I watched parts of the Chicago Combine, Morris and Leonard were the two players that got me down. Neither showed much. Kanter was a close third.
I should know better by now, but I still hold some hope that Hammond knows what he is doing this time around, or at least has a specific plan to improve the team.
I may end up repeating the following a few times, I hope you don’t mind. If I draft a player at ten, by draft board would look like this:
1- “The German Ship” – Should provide the power the Bucks have sorely missed for years.
2- Jordan Hamilton – Should provide consistent shooting. Unlike current Bucks players, he seems to be able to shoot straight.
3- Valanciunas – In my opinion, slightly different/better than the “typical” Euro player
4- “The Jimmer” – I must give it to him (credit). The guy can shoot!
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 2, 2011 8:36 AM CDT reply actions
I agree with the "hybrid" assessment
Kind of goes hand-in-hand with “versatile”. The only player out of the bunch I might have interest in would be Goudelock as a 2nd round pick for a bench scorer to replace Boykins. Thompkins is a step down from Ersan imo and I think Buycks is there for local interest only. Already spoken about the morrises(nty), Delaney I’m not sure can handle point duties and I really don’t think Bose is going to be an NBA player
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
+1
goodluck with goudelock – this dude single handedly made my senior year at college of charleston. He is a lights out shooter and i have seen him sink half dozens of 3’s from beyond 25ft and beyond in single games. he is USUALLY on. CofC is a small market but had this kid been elsewhere he would have been more of a sensation than the jimmer. transition from college to nba? as i stated above he is already shooting 3s well from professional distance. he is a little slow. upside: this guy will work his a** off for you. he WILL step his defensive game up. Drew is the man guys
by HoopsHighlights&Hope on Jun 9, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what to think anymore
I just hope Hammonds has a plan. I too am on board with moving the pick, maybe unloading an existing player or two. Unfortunately, that’s mostly a pipe dream.
So is a wannabe perimeter bird better or worse than a regular perimeter bird?
by Frank Madden on Jun 2, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Worse!
Ersan = “perimeter bird” that at least is willing/able to go look for the offensive rebounds, and that seems to have potential to improve his outside shooting.
Wannabe = “perimert bird” because there’s nowhere else to go. Not good enough.
I did a terrible job at explaining the difference [smile]. It might be easier to understand if I say you may have a “perimeter bird” by design, or a “perimeter bird” by necessity because the player lacks this or that.
That was a tough question to answer!
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 2, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Hold on...
Who’s the German Ship again? Sorry, hard time keeping track :)
The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 2, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
German ship is sinking on the NBA finals isnt it?
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Bismack Biyombo
I gave him the nickname “The German Ship” because is first name sounds just like the (in)famous German ship, the Bismark.
Bismark = Very powerfull and “scary” battleship that took the whole British armada to sink. “Sink the Bismark.”
Sorry to the other people that have read this before. Must keep answering, when/if asked.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 3, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't hate Marcus Morris as a Buck
Very efficient, good passer, skilled offensive player, and has a bit of a nasty streak.
He may not become an all-star, but he seems like a Skiles type of guy.
And if they do pick him, I’d love to see them trade Ersan for a mid-late first round pick, and draft a wing scorer like M Brooks, K Thompson, J Hamilton…
I am on the fence
But I am also making out two lists 1) I would be OK 2) No freakin way. I was going to have a “I would love to have him” list but at #10 in this draft, that would be a stretch.
Examples
Morris – I would be OK list
Fredette – No freakin way list
3 names for sure on my no freaking way list
Fredette, Faried and Vesely
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
TBH I'd like none of the above
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I'm with you on Marcus
He’s growing on me more and more, and while I’m not crazy about another PF (I think that’s where he’ll end up the majority of the time), there are few things I enjoy hearing more than “mature offensive repertoire.”
by Dan Sinclair on Jun 2, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I would not "hate" it or him
I believe drafing a player like him does not correct what I see as an unbalanced Bucks roster.
P.S. – I did not like Jenning’s pick two years ago. However, I learned to like and respect his game…
… to a certain degree.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 2, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Marc Morris may not be a "sexy" pick, but he may be the "BPA" in the Bucks eyes
I would think they’d HAVE to move a big if they took him – and I’m guessing it’d be Ersan over Luc, unless some team offers Luc a silly contract [4+mil per] and Milw lets him walk.
Letting Mbah a Moute go,
in my opinion, would be worse than drafting both Morris twins.
I hope he stays, and that they Bucks will finally use him appropriately as a defensive specialist coming from the bench to guard any and all positions from 1-4.
Maybe I am giving too much credit to a player that is not a very good shooter, but I see him as a very important piece of the team.
P.S. – We all have our favorite players, don’t we? [smile]
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 2, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Draft Singleton and let Luc go?
He might be Luc with more offensive upside, he is supposed to be NBA ready for D and can guard 4 positions as well. Offensive question but h eas a better scoroer than Luc in college FWIW. use Luc as a S&T to get a scorer, maybe Mayo or someone similar. Just a thought.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I hear ya, but I'm not sure what this accomplishes
Unless you KNOW somebody is interested in a sign-and-trade for Luc, this is just drafting a player to fill a role you already have filled. Luc might not be a shooter, but he’s a good slasher and at least a solid rebounder for his position. Singleton probably has a little more upside on offense, but I like the idea of keeping some continuity by retaining Luc. Plus, Luc might improve his midrange game, which would make him immensely more valuable.
The other risk is, again, due to the uncertainty of the CBA. I’ve heard rumors that sign-and-trade contracts could get thrown out entirely, and while that seems a long shot, salary and trade rules are sure to be significantly different. That could complicate this whole thought process.
True.....and we won't know about FA compensation
Until after the draft. I think it’s a good move if you know Luc won’t be back, but if it’s uncertain, you’re right. Okay back to Burks, hamilton and Thompson then.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
True but
Is he the most NBA ready because of his D?. Would he fit in with Skiles “system” thus maybe making him the BPA for the Bucks? Maybe it’s just wishful thinking on my part that we draft him, he improves his offense, and we have a solid starting 3
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Correct!
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 3, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
"Correct!"
Was in response to Frank’s 3:55 post.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 3, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
reading the comments here my interest has been perked about Marc Morris
I definitely want to hang onto Mbah a Moute but otherwise we still need to clean up the power forward area maybe drafting Morris would help bring that on? I still prefer Burks but I guess we are not sure he will be there
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
bj3
good to see brandon on the court working on his game with skiles! seems like fb, twitter, and going to india and other coutries has been the main thing for him this off season. hes too young to give up on, he needs to get in the gym and work on his shot, right hand, and get bigger.
Workouts
I’ll put it like this, 6 workouts….2 waisted on NBADL players, we must have some good ones coming up or we must plan on trading down.
I think this is standard for the Bucks at draft time
I might be wrong, though …anybody?
It was last year I remember...beyond that?
Is it that they’re trying not to tip their hand? When McKinney said last year that Sanders was a reach?
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I think it's standard for a lot of teams
Especially when you get into the late lottery. Teams with top picks work out the top prospects because they’re all likely to be available. For a team like the Bucks, there’s only so much value to working out the top guys, since so much is already known about them and they’re unlikely to fall that far.
Rare to get a ton of first rounders in for the same workout
Both b/c of scheduling and since not everyone wants to workout against guys they’re competing against. So you end up with very mixed talent levels, and Bucks have always shown love to in-state guys who are unlikely to be drafted.
Something tells me they will at some point...
The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 2, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be the second coming of
brad Lohaus
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
CanadaBucks, that might be the greatest (incomplete) sentence ever written.
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
by Steve von Horn on Jun 2, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't like Brad Lohaus?
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
nothing made me prouder using Brad in NBA jam back in the day.....until I got to use Maggette
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I like him fine, it's just a great retro comp that hit me and made me smile
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
by Steve von Horn on Jun 2, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I was imagining our back-up centre
Parked out at the arc, Bargs v2.0
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Done
Without hesitation
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
Btw, Brockman is kind of a toss-in, but Ersan for Flynn straight-up doesn’t work money-wise, at least until Redd’s contract comes off the books.
Was thinking Wolves might be interested in Maggette
He would fit in more with their up tempo maybe. Flynn and Webster for Maggette?
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
After Redd’s contract expires, Ersan for Flynn would work straight-up. I’d do that.
by Dan Sinclair on Jun 2, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Idk Flynn could help here
And if he lives up to pre-draft hype, you win large.
"You play anybody and if they shoot 70 per cent from three, they're going to be tough to beat." More wise words from Chris Bosh
I love Flynn's demeanor - I wanted him after Holiday in the 09' draft, even though I knew he'd go higher than JH
Would love to pick him up on the cheap.
Friday's workout
Looks like Bucks working out Keith Benson, Gary McGhee, Paul Carter, Pooh Williams, Vlad Moldoveanu, and Bryquis Perine on Friday.
Benson’s the headliner by default and an intriguing possibility in the second round (if he’s available)…he’s a bit on the lean side so probably not a coincidence the Bucks brought in a banger like McGhee to play him.
goodluck with goudelock
this dude single handedly made my senior year at college of charleston. He is a lights out shooter and i have seen him sink half dozens of 3’s from beyond 25ft and beyond in single games. he is USUALLY on. CofC is a small market but had this kid been elsewhere he would have been more of a sensation than the jimmer. transition from college to nba? as i stated above he is already shooting 3s well from professional distance. he is a little slow. upside: this guy will work his a** off for you. he WILL step his defensive game up. Drew is the man guys
by HoopsHighlights&Hope on Jun 9, 2011 8:18 AM CDT reply actions
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