This Isn't His First Rodeo: Reviewing Draft Picks Associated With John Hammond
by Steve von Horn on Jun 21, 2011 1:14 AM CDT
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PrintAs we plunge into the 2011 NBA Draft, I thought it would be a good idea to take a quick look back at the picks John Hammond has been involved with during his NBA career as VP of Basketball Operations with the Pistons and as GM with the Bucks. Although Hammond has only been involved in drafting three lottery players prior to this season (Darko Milicic, Joe Alexander, and Brandon Jennings), his overall draft record offers hope that he understands how to properly identify first round NBA talent. Although the memory of Joe Alexander is forever burned into the minds of Bucks fans as a Hammond whiff, a cursory glance at the players the Bucks' GM helped to bring to the Pistons during his tenure is certainly enough to feel good about the chances of getting a very nice player in this draft.
This year's lottery feels like the middle of the first round in most seasons; nobody seems to know what will happen, because very few players have distinguished themselves from the pack and nearly all of the lottery prospects have seriously holes in their games. The good news for Bucks fans is that with so many successful mid and late first round picks for the Pistons, Hammond has experience and success sorting through a muddled and flawed group of prospects to find a player that can contribute to a winning team. With all of this in mind, let's take a closer look at what picks Hammond has been involved with in past seasons:
Here are the picks:
***Note: recall from our PER Draft Lottery Study that "Qualifying Season" means one in which the player plays in at least 50 games and averages at least 12.0 minutes played per game (if one of those two conditions is not met, that player's season is rendered non-qualifying), and that "3-year PER peak" means the average of the player's three highest consecutive qualifying seasons' PER measurements.
Not too shabby, right? Taking guys off this list of largely mid to late first round picks, you could probably assemble a team that would outperform the 2010-11 Cleveland Cavaliers. That really isn't a great litmus test for scouting talent, but I wonder how many other GMs could make a similar claim using only past picks outside of the draft lottery.
The Good News: Hammond has drafted a solid rotation player from every position group. At PG he has taken Brandon Jennings, at Combo guard (PG/SG) he has taken Rodney Stuckey, at SG he has taken Arron Afflalo, at SF he has taken Tayshaun Prince and Carlos Delfino, at PF he has taken Amir Johnson, Jason Maxiell, and LRMaM, and (if you will grant me a slight bit of leeway and ignore the expectations of the draft slot) at C he has taken Darko Milicic. In fact, Bucks fans should be excited that in a season where the Bucks desperately need a SG or combo guard, we can point to arguably the best pick Hammond with which has been involved. In terms of the highest 3-year peak PER (16.3) and most career PER improvement (4.7), Hammond can hang his hat on a very shrewd value pick in the form of Combo Guard Rodney Stuckey.
Based on the list of picks provided above, I think Bucks fans should feel very comfortable about the thought of either trading down or acquiring an additional mid to late first round pick, because Hammond has been great in this area of the draft. Of all the first round picks he has been involved with, there are only two players (Darko Milicic and Joe Alexander) that would not be taken much higher in a re-draft scenario. This means Hammond has a proven track record of finding value with his first round picks. The other good news? He has also found several very nice players in the second round (Amir Johnson, Mbah a Moute, Jodie Meeks), which should be enough to keep us interested in the tail end of the draft...and maybe even Darington Hobson.
The Bad News: The two biggest first-round whiffs (Darko Milicic and Joe Alexander) have been made with the two highest picks. Neither Alexander nor Milicic made any improvements over their rookie PER output, and if you expand to include Jennings at #10 it means the three highest picks associated with Hammond have improved the least of any of his first round picks. It might be too early to write off further improvement in efficiency by Jennings, but this general trend still doesn't sit very well with me. Furthermore, it might be unrealistic to expect the Bucks' pick to be an immediate difference maker, because the only first round Hammond pick who ever posted an above average PER in their first season with any real playing time is the infamous Darko Milicic. As with most rookies, patience will be a virtue with a Hammond pick, because he certainly hasn't been drafting finished products in the first round.
In any case, what do you guys think about the John Hammond draft résumé?
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I wanted to vote yes, but with the amendum that I wouldnt be surprised if he F's up
look at the picture the least likely thing you would imagine him to be holding is a basketball, Hammond rep is on the line this season, we wont be able to sit on the fence any longer
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Yeah, you kinda expect a Cocker Spaniel or some form of model aircraft
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 21, 2011 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions
haha yeah throw in a couple of grand kids
still Im generally a Hammond fan, he carries himself and conducts himself well, Im hoping he really nails this pick, and it is always a bit of crap shoot I guess
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
10 and beyond does seem to be Hammonds range.....
of course any time your associated on a list with Darko & Joe well thats a brush you dont want to be tarred with I suppose
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Yep!
That’s what I thought. The results are not in the middle. It’s either yes, yes or no, no for Hammond.
P.S. – I voted no. Still, as a Bucks fan… I hope.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 8:15 AM CDT reply actions
I would argue that at the moment he is a tottering a bit in the middle dont you think?
he inherited a sorry Bucks team, thank you Larry & Larry, with a rep as being soft on D, he hired Skiles and made some moves that panned out, some that didnt, same with the draft picks, and FA moves last year are looking decidely blah so far…….still we made the playoffs with a feel good run and the team is now known as a tough defensive unit…sooooooIm willing to see how this season pans out and the draft picks and moves and any FA’s signed, and then hop off my fence ;)
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I have no problem with your statement!
My comment was more about how I thought people would vote. I saw the questions, and before I voted, I guessed high averages for choices 1 and 4.
I should also make a clarification – I don’t like how Hammond drafts, however, I like how he trades (except Delfino/Amir).
Thanks for your response, ILIKEBJ’S.
P.S. – Regarding your post below. Yes, “The Bismark” flunked (or sunk) during his workout. Could not even beat himself. The guy can’t shoot jump shots to save his live. That’s for sure. Which is one of the things I like the most about his game! The reason is that I see him as a prototype PF. I see a prototype PF as a player that is affraid to leave the paint area, and aversive to crossing the three-point line. My hope is that scouts and GMs alike remember his games. How well he played in Spain, and how well he played against team USA.
Your turn.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah I misinterpreted the first bit :)
re: the Bismark yup agree on the PF bit nothing like a good PF who parks himself down low and hits the boards, scores in the paint, protects the rim….on Bismark I guess it depends on what team he lands as to how he sticks and develops, but you gotta look at guys like Adonal Foyle and DeSagana Diop and think maybe thats what we are looking at
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
For all I know, that could be.
One never really knows how they will develop.
I would probably need to “retire” from these blogs…!!!
You know, how much “love” can I take if “The Bismark” is a bust. [smile]
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
haha in the end whatever any of write either bad or good.....most of the guys will end up somewhere in between as NBA players
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
also by the way regards the german ship Bismack Biyombo just to clarify for everyone :)
I read somewhere someone describing his workout as a ‘game of one on one that he lost’…..ouch
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
It seems like JH like to swing for the fences w/ his draft picks instead of taking the safe pick[s]
Really hope he doesn’t do it this year….
and I no longer want Brooks. At all.
It’s Burks or K Thompson for me, all the way… [provided they stay @ #10]
Brooks' selfish ways are scary when considering a Jennings-Brooks backcourt, but it's hard to resist the Kobe comparisons
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 21, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I just read a lil blurb that said his teammates didn't like playing w/ him
And people need to stop w/ the Kobe comparisons
If GMs thought he’d be anywhere near Kobe’s level, he’d be a sure-fire lottery pick, which he’s not…
Yeah, Givony was writing that earlier last year he might now have gone top 40, which is a bad sign
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 21, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
No more Kobe comparisons.
Kobe came into the league out of high school. By the time he was 22, he was MVP of the all star game, 1st team all NBA, 2nd team all defense, a top 10 scorer and PER performer, and an NBA Champion.
Brooks played on a terrible college team that didn’t win anything and was AP 3rd team all american.
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 21, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you, Steve!
I know PM doesn’t want to hear it, but I fully agree w/ you.
Maybe I’d roll the dice on MB w/ a mid-late 1st, but I wouldn’t take him @ #10.
yeah not buying any of this stick with Burks if he is there
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
come on Victor, don't believe those B.S. quotes they are slinging around from "unnamed nba scout"
that he is selfish and guys didn’t like to play with him. Thats garbage coming from a team later in the draft that wants him to slip, mis information is the term. I don’t think you can blame a guy who scores 25 pts a game and shoots 48% with a bunch of bums on his team, he is a willing passer if he believes his teammates can make the shot, Is Kobe selfish?
Don’t believe the Hype!
Apparently
According to Yahoo, the Rockets do want to move into the top 10 with picks 14 and 23.
Hmmm..... tempting.
Milw could prob still get the player they want @ 14 – and take a developing prospect w/ big “upside” w/ #23 [D Morris, T Harris, etc]
17 and Fields for me
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Tough decision
I’d roll with 14 and 23 because 17 might be just to late to get Burks, K Thompson, or Brooks. Fields was good, but I’m not big on him being the Bucks SG of the future.
Sometimes I feel like our team is too crowded for its own good
If we are trading for more picks, or even Landry Fields, we surely need to get rid of somebody. I know CDR is gone, but our depth is still crowded. Yes, it helps when your team gets depleted by injuries but last year was fluky. Either get rid of somebody in these proposed trades or draft at least one player to stash in Europe.
PG: Jennings, Dooling, 2nd rd pick
SG: Salmons, 1st round pick
SF: Delfino, Maggette
PF: Gooden, Sanders, Ersan, Mbah a Moute
C: Bogut, Brockman
Where would a trade fit in to this rotation?
And Luc is unsigned as of July 1st.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I know all this but...
It seems like we have too many players that need playing time. It seems like teams that win consistently in the playoffs have about 9 or 10 guys that see major minutes. Not 15
they have way,way too many role players, thats why I'm on the Brooks wagon cause he has a shot
at being better than an NBA journeyman like Delfino,Magette,Salmons,Gooden, wait thats half our team. :)
Good point!
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with the role player thing
We need clearly defined starters imo. Other than Bogut(injury-prone)and Jennings(needs improvement)who on the rosters is a true starter?
The silence is deafening. Solution is a little harder to come by unfortunately.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
you are right, even the guys we kind of pencil in as regulars were really awful last year,
maybe they should trade Bogut and try to get some future picks, maybe get lucky and land a top 3 pick, I don’t know my friend, the more I look at the roster, the more I have flashbacks from last year…
Sorry ...
The past is too painful for me to participate ;)
Hammond is more polarizing than I thought...
When writing the poll I really believed the answers would fall in the middle ground, but it seems like strong yes and strong no are really telling the story.
What is it about him that draws people to either answer? Joe Alexander? Pistons’ success?
I think it’s hard to deny his successes in the later parts of the first round. I don’t put much stock in second round picks, because those guys are supposed to fail anyways, but his first round picks have been pretty solid…yet apparently not enough to avoid the strong no.
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 21, 2011 11:40 AM CDT reply actions
Seems that JH's picks are either big hits or big misses
Passing on Lopez for Alexander still stings…
Joe Alexander is always a killer......its like Hammond is okay buuuuuut he did draft Joe Alexander
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I saw it differently!
The moment I read the questions I thought people would vote extreme opposites. That’s what I was discussing earlier with ILIKEBJ’S.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw that this morning and thought...nah, comon PF...
But looks like I was way off. Good call. I’m still confused about the results.
What led you to say that in the first place?
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 21, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
A wild guess!!!
Not really.
The way I see it, Hammond has done good or bad.
Mostly bad drafts (including the (in)famous Joe Alexander).
Mostly good trades.
His drafts have not been so-so. They have been good or bad.
His trades have not been so-so. They have been good or bad.
Fans (me included) got all excited last summer. Executive of the year!!!
Then, the season happened.
It was obviously clear to me that the fans would be polarized. Now, I was thinking more in terms of 55% to 45% in favor of option #1.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, now I see how it works. Especially in his specific history with the Bucks, there have been more pointed hits and misses...
I just don’t know what to think about the Delfino trade, the Jennings pick, the Sanders pick, the Ilyasova issue, the Gooden signing, resigning LRMAM, and not dealing Redd for something a few years ago…so many in the middle things for me.
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 21, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
just a matter of timing? if we had this question last season we would be saying Hammond is very good
the question is how much impact did his moves have on the regression this season or was it just injuries, bad luck and poor man management from Skiles, personally Im pissed after he saw that Skiles wasnt using Maggette we didnt off load him at the deadline, having said that he might have gone to Dallas, and got a ring or ensured that Miami got a championship ;)
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Still polarizing...
Don’t you remember the “other site?!”
Delfino = polarizing
Jennings = polarizing
Gooden = polarizing
Redd = polarizing
Sanders and Ersan, like you mentioned, not so polarizing…
… unless I use the “F” word!
“Flop”
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Some trade talk we heard last night has now made it into the public domain on RealGM...
Subject to Jimmer being available at, we trade 10/Gooden (not sure, but probably) for 17/Douglas/Turiaf. Discuss.
how fast can you type done
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
ill throw in Maggette to
seriously though Id really consider that very very hard unless you totally totally love Burks at 10….Id pull the trigger on that one though….Turiaf seems like a sweetner that would just make Skiles swoon with visions of Malik Allen
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I would not make that trade.
Rationale:
Gooden is better than Turiaf.
That would mean the Bucks would be giving up Gooden and their rights to the 10th pick for…
…:
- an older and not so good version of Gooden,
- a backup PG, and
- a 17th draft pick.
I don’t think so! It makes no sense to me, unless they are on salary dump mode.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
speaking of trades just on twitter was this tidbit from Givony at Draft express
DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
I’m told that if the prospect Milwaukee covets (I suspect Valanciunas) isn’t available at 10, they will trade the pick to Houston for 14+23.
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
That would make more sense.
I “studied” possible scenarios for a trade with the Rockets this morning. Not a perfect match as it relates to players changing teams, but good sense in terms of moving down/up depending on the team you are looking at.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
actually right lucky im not GM hahaha the I was selling the everything but the kitchen sink as soon as Gooden was mentioned
actually this one does make some good sense, perhaps why they worked out Brooks twice?
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I probably prefer Houston deal
But is there that much more value for Houston at 10 than 14? Curious who they’re after.
by Frank Madden on Jun 21, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Houston is one of the more curious teams under Morey.....Im not sure what they are doing these days?
im sure there is an actual idea under all the analysis and stats etc but as we saw sports has a funny way of biting you on the butt…..or on the foot in Yao’s case
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
trading down to 14 and then finding Burks had slid there would be a coup
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Leonard?
Morris(aka Anthony) SF and C would be their positions of need IMO.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Leonard, Biyombo, K Thompson, M Morris, Fredette, even Burks
are likely to be in the mix there which are some pretty good names for this draft
thats how much I dislike Gooden probably influencing me
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Would you do it replacing Gooden
With Salmons
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Maggette instead of Gooden
would probably get done in a flash, thats 2 contributors for a projected non-contributor. Douglass and Turiaf are better than what the Bucks could fetch for comparable pricing in FA.
Salmons, Maggette, Gooden.....take your pick
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Frank that was my deal
I just had Salmons instead of Gooden as we would be picking up a SG in Fields. I am suing for copyright infringement.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 21, 2011 11:53 AM CDT reply actions
Oh wait...you said DISCUSS.
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 21, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
looks like one Bucks shooting a jump shot
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Or Bogut after the arm injury
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 21, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Good humor!!!
Both of them are “stingy.”
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
being aussie and a Bogut fan it still makes me twitch when I think of that injury
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Hmmmm.... I like #10 for Fields and #17 - but not this proposal.
Being one of the few who actually likes Gooden, I don’t like this trade.
I'm not especially high on Gooden
I just don’t think we have a PF better than Gooden
So now there are rumors that the Bucks will draft Valanciunas at #10 or trade down.
Umm…I thought he can’t be bought out until after 2012?
Do you believe every rumour you read?
I would do the 14 and 23 for 10 any way I think, one of Burks, Thompson or Brooks will most likely be there, then you have 23 to take a combo or w/e(Reggie Jackson, Nolan Smith etc.)
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
That's the one making most sense at this time!
In my opinion, the Bucks would get similar (tier) value at 17th. Then, they get a fribbie at 23.
Makes sense to me.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I should have said 14th.
My bad… Visiting too many sites.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 21, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
yup liking the 14 and 23
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
My head is going to blow up with all these scenarios
I would prefer to stay at ten and land our SG of the future in Burks or Brooks but if they can move down and get rid of some of the trash on the roster and possibly replace it with young prospects I guess thats not all bad.
Since when did we get hot for Valenciunas???
Thats a new one, he likely won’t even play in the league next year, perfect :(
I don't believe we are
Givony seems to think so but I don’t. maybe he thinks he’s too good of value to slip that low.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
that would be the perfect bookend this season dont ya think ;)
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
yeah, talk about a let down, some foreign guy that won't suit up for a year or two
anyways that Valenciunas looks like a glorified Joel Pryzbilla, every single highlite I’ve seen is him setting a pick and rolling to the hoop catching the lob pass and laying it in.
hey that would make the 2nd best player on this team ;)
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
also twitter seems to be a mixing bowl for tons of information or misinformation depending on your take
still I started on it for some work stuff but its interesting, I cant bring myself to say twittering
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
You don't want to be a twit(ter)
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
haha far too late ;)
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Question here about the Knicks moving up
Why would the Knicks want Fredette? Is it because he’s a local boy? They would be much better served with a defensive-type player(Biyombo, Faried, Singleton)IMO. If they want to move up is it really Jimmer they’re targeting?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
why would the knicks...............can insert all the moves in the last decade
I just shook my head when Donnie Walsh left……the crazies are in charge of the asylum again
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
They just want to play a super fast up and down, outscore you style and Jimmer is perfect for that
“don’t worry about defense Jimmer, just let it fly” Mark D’Antonio I can see it…
if I hear the name Jonas Valanciunas at 10(and we haven't traded the pick)
he will forever be Hammy Hammonds in my book.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
To be fair, Valanciunas is very highly rated
It would suck from a fan-excitement standpoint to know that our lottery pick won’t even play for our team for another year, but the guy has the potential to be very good. His pace and minute-adjusted stats are exceptional: 20.3/14.6 with 1.7 blocks per 40 minutes. Plus he’s a spectacular foul shooter. Potentially HUGE value at 10. There’s reason to think that’s who Houston wants to trade up with Milwaukee to get.
by Dan Sinclair on Jun 21, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
seems like a classic Morey move acquire a piece that on paper looks great potentially
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Those numbers for Jonas
are not as good as Ersan’s were per 40 mins the last year he played in Europe, 2009.
That should be noted. Ilyasova was 21 when we got him back, is that right? There isn’t a player in this draft as good as Ilyasova, unless it’s Derrick Williams.
It’s one thing to rave about the unknown, but another to realize that the known has been better than they can be right now. On so many levels the Bucks don’t really need this pick.
If the season is abbreviated due to the lockout
That kind of eases the pain of him being in Europe.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Wondering how Brooks did today in his workout in front of Hammy
the video on bucks.com doesn’t really give you much info on how the players looked and we all know you can’t believe a word Billy McKinney says, he loves John Leuer, I did take that away from his interview, and that he thinks Brooks can play some SF and combo guard. They didn’t even mention anything about Chris Singleton even though he worked out today. Dxpress has Burks slipping all the way to 19, that seems crazy.
enough reason to trade down? I wouldnt mind it in this draft
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
What's not to love about Leuer?
He’s 6’11" and was outshot at the combines by Brooks and Klay Thompson and probably Jimmer, that’s all.
Brooks is the guy, if the Bucks are stuck on a shooting guard.
Dude can't shoot
That’s the problem Burks is having.
What shrewd picks in Detroit?
Jason Maxiell? Tayshaun was their big bonanza and that was ten years ago.
Last I remember, Hammond and Dumars hired the guy from Denver who was bright enough to draft Carmelo in 2003 when they were not — Jeff Weltman.
Weltman works for the Bucks now, which tells you something about the impact that the Darko flub had on the mentality of the Dumars-Hammond Pistons administration. Weltman will make this pick at No. 10 if the Bucks keep it, not Hammond.
Dumars kinda showed how much he knew once Hammond and Weltman moved on.......
Gordon and Charlie V…….have to FA’s moves ever been so obviously bad and ill fitting
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I would say ever first round pick made by Detriot during his tenure was a shrewd pick.
As I said in the article, which one of those guys wouldn’t go higher if there was a redraft if those draft classes today? That’s the definition of finding good value and shrewdness as it applies to the draft, in my opinion.
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 22, 2011 7:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"every first round pick" sorry, phone fail.
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 22, 2011 7:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hate to throw a "darko" cloud on your post
But you may be forgetting the obvious. Other than that agreed.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I did indeed forget the obvious. Thanks for covering that mistake.
[Insert ill-fitting joke attempting to use Donnie Darko reference here]
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 23, 2011 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Anybody remember Stuckey when he came out???
Is he pretty comparable to Alec Burks? I know they are about the same size and both can play some PG.
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