Sampson and Boylan possibly leaving, the little known Beno Udrih, Joe Alexander back in Milwaukee
by Frank Madden on Jun 27, 2011 10:11 PM CDT
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PrintWoelfel: Assistant coaches may be leaving
Gery Woelfel writes that Kelvin Sampson (head coach in Detroit?) and Jim Boylan (lead assistant in Phoenix?) could both be leaving for greener pastures this week. On the flip side, Beno Udrih's agent says his client is warming to the idea of Wisconsin.
"I think there was a little bit of a shock to the system when he learned about the trade,'' said Marc Cornstein, Udrih's agent. "But once he digested it and heard how he fits into their plans and where Milwaukee is going as a team, I think he was pretty excited about it.''
Sactown Royalty: Beno - The Lost Year
Speaking of Udrih, be sure to check out this terrific story about his generosity off the court in Sacramento. Great read.
St. Cloud Times: Joe Alexander back in Milwaukee (h/t Ridiculous Upside)
The Joe Alexander era didn't last long in Milwaukee, but that doesn't mean he left on bad (or at least irreconcilable) terms. Via the St. Cloud Times comes word that Alexander and former Badger Brian Butch were among the free agents working out in Milwaukee last week, a mere 16 months after the former #8 overall pick was traded to Chicago as part of the John Salmons deal that helped ignite the Bucks' 2010 playoff run.
Alexander played just 29 minutes in Chicago and didn't last past the preseason in New Orleans a year ago, but he bounced back by establishing himself as one of the D-League's best players, notching 20.2 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 3.1 apg, and 1.4 bpg in 41 mpg for the Texas Legends. It's probably not worth reading too much into Alexander's visit, and Scott from RU notes that Alexander has worked out for four other teams in the past week. Whatever happens, I have to admit: I'm rooting for Joe to figure things out.
JS: Which role suits Jon Leuer?
Charles Gardner takes a look at what the future may hold for the Bucks' new second round pick, beginning with the guy whose opinion probably matters most: Scott Skiles.
"Ersan [Ilyasova] can stretch the floor, but he also rebounds, takes charges, he does other things."There's some guys where that's all they do is stretch the floor, but they give up things on the other end and things like that. Jon's a guy who has enough mobility and enough skill to do more than that."
I had Ersan pegged as the Buck most likely to be dealt heading into draft night,and it figures that the presence of Leuer might further encourage the Bucks to use Ilyasova as a trade chip. It's not to say that Leuer could simply replace Ilyasova's production--though he's never discovered the consistency to be a full-time starter, Ersan's ability to rebound, bury jumpers and work on the defensive end means he could plug into virtually any rotation in the league. But the Bucks' logjam at the four and Ilyasova's rumored interest in returning to Europe in 2012 make him the best combination of useful and disposable on the roster. The Bucks could still use a legit center to back up Andrew Bogut and another wing scorer (preferably with some range), so we'll see if the Bucks can parlay Ilyasova and/or one of the Bucks' backup PGs (likely Shaun Livingston or Keyon Dooling) into a useful piece, or perhaps as part of a bigger deal.
Courtside Analyst: At the moment, the Bucks have a 39 win roster
Ty's numbers show the Bucks doing little to escape their usual mediocrity next season.
Ridiculous Upside: Larry Sanders, Jeff McInnis And Doug Christie coaching at D-League tryouts
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That was a pretty amazing story on Beno's lost year.
Great to see we have another high-character guy to add to our player list!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 27, 2011 10:37 PM CDT reply actions
Can't have enough of those players.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 27, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with the gist of what you say...
But it seems to me the the Bucks literally could have too many. Too some degree, high character players make better teammates. That leads to more winds. High character guys can be expected to finder a warmer welcome in Milwaukee, with its midwest values. That makes the franchise healthier (which we need).
But the world is well endowed with great guys who don’t play hoops well enough to help an NBA team win. We wish them the best with their lives, but we don’t want a roster full of them.
Plus… there been doubt about the ability of John Hammond to shrewdly evaluate talent. To look at a bunch of men thought of equal talent and choose the one who will find NBA success. It’s fine if Hammond is looking at the bunch, deciding that 2 or 3 are the best prospects and then using high character to make the decision between them.
It’s bothersome should he be looking at the bunch, thinking “I don’t know; they all look alike,” and then simplifying his decision by just taking the guy he sees as having “high character.” Especially when identifying “high character” in others often means seeing characteristics that remind the viewer of oneself.
To me, high character is just one more trait that (like foot speed) can contribute to success. I think I’d hold that it adds arithmetically to the talent total, not multiplies it.
think its about a blend of personalities and characters...nothing wrong with a bit of tension and competitive fire between team mates
keeps you on your toes, and I could care less if they are all best buds in the locker room
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Might high character translate to...
Not likely to bolt Milwaukee at first chance though…I agree it’s tough to make decisions that way but it might also save some trouble.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
That picture of Beno and Brockman
Is the most awkward-looking hug I’ve ever seen.
Beno is probaby just expecting an elbow to the face
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
from the tentative look on Beno's face he in fact doesnt like big butts and he cannot lie
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Arrrrh!
That’s so terrible, it could be one of my jokes!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 28, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
yes! I knew Id get there some day ;)
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Hehe!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Jon Brockman is looking a bit chunky in that photo, right?
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 27, 2011 11:06 PM CDT reply actions
Kent Brokmans son been eatin too many cheeseburgers!
He got a fat ass!
The Gospel according to Marlow.
was thinking the same thing, defintely on the Ray Felton side of things
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
That Brockman
looks like a football lineman from a western rural state. Or a guy who’d just naturally pull a covered wagon over to a pair of horses to hook them up (rather than taking the horses to the wagon).
His photo has been submitted to Wikipedia to accompany the antonym for the word “svelte”.
Luckily we all know that the look of the body is a lousy way to judge the human being inside.
Jon Leuer
was a very solid pick at 40 but there was no PF in this draft as good as Ilyasova past Derrick Williams. If i was Ilyasova’s agent I would be pressuring Hammond to get him outta here. It’s just a remedial situation for him now, unless Gooden gets gone. I think Ersan would be traded already if the Bucks didn’t believe they should get a better return than Bucks fans figure. Whatever draft pick was offered in this draft wasn’t going to pull the trigger.
As for Joe Alexander, he doesn’t even look the like the same guy and has been on a few teams’ radar since about February, I think. I think the Bucks would prefer to give Leuer a shot before reverting to Joe, though it’s fun that he was in town with Butch. BB has had a good D-League run, too. I hope they find jobs in the league.
The Polar bear has had a good D-League Run
He could be productive off the bench. He could be another bench player favorite.
I don’t know if there’s much game in him, but he’s a large body, always shot well, and played really well in the D-League.
Also, he is the spokesperson for that Frozen Pizza company, right?
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 28, 2011 1:57 AM CDT reply actions
There is game in Polar Bear
He’s 6-11, strong and he was a D-League all-star and good scorer because of his ability to hit from Downtown. He’s got those short, T-Rex arms but when you’re that big, strong and learn how to play position and rebounding defense in the paint, you can do a lot of good work off the bench at least.
The league needs more quality big men, and he should find a chance somewhere. He was promoted to the Nuggets in 2010, a recognition that he’s made good progress. He was also an All-Star that season with Bakersfield, I think it was. If I had to predict, I’d say he’ll find a job. There are quite a few teams who could use a big, tough, good-shooting Wisconsin guy who’s put in the work and jumped through all the hoops put before him.
Polar Bear with T Rex arms? that can only describe Joe Alexander haha
still it would be pure genius on the part of Hammond if it ever worked out, and if one thing probably makes Hammond turn with regret at night its drafting Joe Alexander, smart to have a look and see if he can stick this time, wher is the harm
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Polar Bear is Butch
But I probably missed a joke there. I probably should have cut my Pabst purchase for draft night in half ….
haha serious I just assumed Joe haha
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
No harm at all
And Butch would be fun to have around too, though we’d probably have to do something with Brockman first.
I’m holding out for Dalembert or Chucky Hayes or Nazr Mohammed for our backup center. We need one. Kurt Thomas is free, too, but I think I’d rather have somebody in their early 30’s than late, of course.
ahem nothing wrong with late thirties ;)
always liked Nazr Mohammed as a back up guy who handle the occasional starters minutes….though he was always kinda expensive
Hayes is cool but do we need another undersized guy on the Bucks, not knocking Hayes at all though
Dalembert seems to be in demand with the big play off dogs, Miami have been sniffing around right? Im sure he will get a text from the self appointed king or one of his sycophants sooner than later
any other guys around?
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Saw Dalembert in an interivew
He seemed reflective enough to perhaps like our roster and to think our prospects recently improved. He also seemed smart enough to make a good career decision.
true suppose the contract offered would be a huge factor too, still that lure of championship shot could be too much for a vet to ignore
but you be in the game to win so no harm if the Bucks throw Herbs hat in the ring
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
If the MLE still exists...
Then the Miamis of the world should be the ones offering to Dalembert, not us…he’d be a very good player to have on a team like the Bucks, but at what cost? And by the same token why would he want to back up Bogut in Milwaukee when he can start for a team like the Heat?
by Frank Madden on Jun 28, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Aaron Gray
opted out today. He was more effective than Okafor in the playoffs for New Orleans against the Lakers.
And there’s always Gadz (???).
Another guy I liked was the rookie from Toronto — Ed Davis. He’s not a free agent but that’s a trade Hammond could work out.
There are about 30 centers out there in free agency, though, Dalembert and DeAndre Jordan the best of them — I don’t think the Clippers will let him go, and it would be a bad idea to install him as a backup anyway. A veteran then, who knows what he’s doing and wants a good payday. We have more $ than Miami to sign him and Dalembert and Bogut are friends.
Whether Miami is in the bidding for him or not (and of course they will be) Hammond should get in the game.
interesting
loved Ed Davis in the draft last year, would definitely like him on the Bucks, DeAndre Jordan is a pretty nice back up but he might clean up this summer since he is big blocks shots for fun and rebounds, he doesnt get fancy on offense but his FT is even than Bogut!
Gray seems ok i he is on the cheap, havent seen him at all so not really sure what he does
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
I'd guess the price for Davis would be way too high at this point
I’d love to nab a guy like Davis, but I’m guessing Colangelo would demand Jennings be part of a deal. Davis had a very productive rookie season, and you don’t often see GMs deal their own high-ceiling guys after just a season (unless it’s something bigger)…yes, Colangelo dealt Villanueva, but he didn’t pick him either.
I think Mohammed is a much more realistic option who would be a good get all things considered. Certainly no shortage of big warm bodies out there, which is nice.
by Frank Madden on Jun 28, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Chuck Hayes (PF/C Houston Rockets)...
… could be another option. Like Dalembert, he has given plenty of fits to Andrew Bogut.
Hayes is an unrestricted free agent.
"Players earn their minutes." Yeah, right...
by Power(less) Forward on Jun 28, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I would think if anyone is available in TO
Bargs or Amir and would you want either?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I'd be worried about Bargs
He’s useful for what he is, a big guy who likes shooting 3’s, but as a backup center who just needs to rebound and play a little defense, he’s hardly somebody I’d be interested in. Plus I’d be surprised if he was happy accepting backup money and minutes.
by Dan Sinclair on Jun 28, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah I wouldnt see Bargs as a back up, I could see him as a viable piece next to Bogut because Bogut would cover so many of the holes in his game
still its not something that would excite me but it would be interesting to say the least the can score
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Yeah, you don't get him so he can be a backup
He’s owed $41.5 million for the next four years, so you better believe he’s going to be a very good player and fit your roster. Long-term they have some flexibility with Davis and now Valanciunas eventually coming over, so it will be interesting to see how Bargs fits into all of that. I’m not sure they’d do a salary dump at this point—Colangelo drafted him AND gave him the big extension—but you never know.
by Frank Madden on Jun 28, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't my point though
I was saying no way you’re getting Ed Davis but I’m sure that Bryan would love you to take Bargs or Amir. I have no desire for either under their current contracts unless the Raps would do Gooden for Johnson(2 chances and slim just left town)
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
true that was a pipe dream
i would be cool with Mohammed a big guy who can bring some offense and size off the bench as a back up….what a dream!!!!
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Nazr was a good idea
… and very realistic, a good consolation prize for the Bucks.
But OK City extended him yesterday, unfortunately. Hammond might want to move quickly and try to get something done before the lockout. If he waits, the options are likely to get more and more limited.
yes shame that
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
No offense to Sampson and Boylan but...
getting a couple new assistants might be very helpful for this team… especially one with an offensive background… Sampson and Boylan seem like very knowledgable guys but they seem to just fall in line with whatever Skiles way of thinking is… I don’t want coaches that aren’t cooperative with their head coach but we clearly could benefit from an infusion of offensive ideas…
true someone with some offensive input and creativity would be nice
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Is Paul Westhead available?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
May be a litmus test
I never could tell what Boylan added to the staff, though I assumed he did, but it seemed that Sampson could communicate with players well. Plus he seemed to have the credentials of a head coach on temp assignment to restore his respectability. I hope whoever replaces him is that kind of communicator, and knows as much. Will surprise me a bit if Detroit picks him. Seems a bit early in the rehab, but if they like him they like him.
I think all the decisions made by small market franchises have to be extra smart. Choices for new coaches included. If Skiles does add a range of fresh (offensive) thinking, that will suggest that he may really implement his recent statements on playing offense differently. I sure hope so.
to be honest I dont think we need a huge change, we just need to be middle of the road decent on the offensive end
I dont want to lose our identity as a tough defensive unit, as hopefully that is a good base for a more successful club long term…..having said that we obviously need some fresh input because it was a disaster on the offensive end last year and no one had any answers or showed any innovation it was the same old tired stuff and plays game in game out
Hammond has done his bit bringing in some fresh faces with ability and moving out guys who looked done and done or Skiles didnt like so its up to Skiles and the players to get it done, we are in the Eastern conference so it cant be that hard ;)
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Not a huge change, but less dumb
Snob or dreamer I may be, but I thought last season’s Bucks played stupid as a team. Very boring offense that when cold required the Fast Forward, and even when hot didn’t seem sustainable.
Salmons IMO was such a failure because our offense required him to create his own shots. He has skills, but not at that level. I am expecting the next season’s team to work together more to get easier shots. Skiles has hoped aloud that we can now finish better inside and thus also get better outside shots. Skiles has also talked about redoubled emphasis on making good passes, both the easy pass and the difficult pass.
That’s the different offense I’d want to see. I enjoy watching defense, so have no intent to throw it under the bus. But the offense has to get smarter and more varied – or I’m going to be one bored grumpy curmudgeon.
I am expecting the next season’s team to work together more to get easier shots.
That was the huge difference between last season’s Bucks and the ones who pushed ATL in the playoffs the year before. The slick, speedy way they got the ball to move around the perimeter and in and out of the post the 2nd half of 09/10 was breathtaking in its speed and satisfying in the end results (more Bucks FGM).
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 28, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yes true that we were good at making that extra pass
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
better to be careful ;)
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Shouldn't pass up good shots
Especially without Bogut.
by toasterrebound on Jul 2, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Hova has something to add to this conversation
Specifically, at the 1:03 mark in this song.
Poof, vamoose.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jun 28, 2011 9:32 PM CDT reply actions
Reply fail
Of course I screw up the thread as I try to drop some truth bombs on our resident hick from French Lick.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jun 28, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Reply fail
Of course I screw up the thread as I try to drop some truth bombs on our resident hick from French Lick.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jun 28, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
On the bright side, those next two replies got the proper indentation.
And I think the message was properly sent (as with the rest of us), I think the problem is on the receiving end.
"Don't worry, I've got an idea. An idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about..."
by Steve von Horn on Jun 28, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It still shames me
A reply fail AND a double post fail? THEY GON’ TAKE MY INTERNET BADGE!
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jun 28, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't got my internet badge yet.
Do I register with Bill Gates…or Homeland Security?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
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