With FIBA clearing NBA players to sign abroad, Keyon Dooling and Ersan Ilyasova could be latest to bolt for Turkey
Apparently Lake Michigan is out and the Bosphorus Strait is in.
The same day that FIBA announced it would allow players with NBA contracts to play abroad during the lockout, Bucks point guard Keyon Dooling joined the list of NBA players who could be playing in Turkey this fall, nearing a deal with Turkish powerhouse Efes Pilsen. Dooling has one year remaining ($2.246 million) on the two-year deal he signed last summer, but his agent Kenge Stevenson told Charles Gardner of the Journal-Sentinel that his client hoped to stay in Turkey this season regardless of when the lockout is resolved.
The Dooling news comes just a week after Ersan Ilyasova was rumored to be returning to his old Turkish club Fenerbahce Ulker, with both players indicating a preference for leaving Milwaukee despite having one year remaining on their respective contracts. FIBA's announcement clarified that players such as Ilyasova and Dooling would need provisions in their European deals requiring them to fulfill the remainder of their NBA deals when the lockout ends, but whether either guy ever suits up for the Bucks again is now an open question.
With the draft day arrivals of Beno Udrih and Shaun Livingston to backup Brandon Jennings, even Dooling has admitted his days in Milwaukee could be numbered, so it stands to reason that the Bucks probably wouldn't put up a major fight if he asked to be let out of his contract. Then again, I'm not entirely convinced that Dooling sees his long-term future abroad either. As a vice president of the NBA Player's Association, Dooling has some additional motives for showing the NBA he can make a living outside North America, though it's also a bit ironic (and worrying?) that one of the NBA union's top guys apparently isn't that interested in being an NBA player next year. Of course, as a player who's never had a huge contract you can't blame him for wanting to make as much money as possible while he still can, so it'd be wrong to begrudge Dooling his right to earn a living.
Losing Ersan?
Unlike Dooling, the more useful Ilyasova would likely have a harder time getting out of his Bucks' contract once the lockout ends, and as expected FIBA's announcement gives Milwaukee the final say on where he goes if and when the lockout ends before the summer of 2012. But Ilyasova complained about his minutes and the Bucks' selfishness at the end of the season, and last week he was quoted in the foreign press saying he "definitely wanted[ed] to leave" Milwaukee. Clearly he's angling for a move, and given his roots and experience playing in both Spain and Turkey, it wouldn't surprise anyone if that meant leaving the NBA entirely.
It's understandable that Ilyasova was frustrated by the Bucks' decision to add Drew Gooden, Larry Sanders and Jon Brockman a year ago, but it's hard for me to feel too sorry for a guy who complains about playing time and the team's ball movement when his minutes increase, his productivity declines and his shot selection remains questionable at best. But that's not to say the Bucks can shrug off Ilyasova's potential departure either. Ersan's a classic rotation glue guy whose hustle and floor-stretching abilities not surprisingly made the Bucks better when he was on the court the past two seasons. At $2.5 million he's a bargain by NBA standards, but he's also never shown the consistency to be a long-term starter in the NBA. That's hardly an insult, but at this point I'm not sure what it would take to keep Ersan happy in Milwaukee. It's one thing if he's frustrated by losing, but another if he thinks he should be playing 30-35 mpg every night.
Judging Keyon
As for Dooling, I'd argue that his play a year ago was somewhat underrated. Not that he was great or even particularly good, but let's remember that we're talking about a backup point guard making just over $2 million per season. Just because Luke Ridnour was possibly the best bench PG in the league in 09/10 doesn't mean that's now the standard every backup should be judged against. And yet seemingly every review of the Bucks' roster heading into the offseason seemed to peg the backup point guard position as one of the Bucks' obvious weaknesses, despite ample evidence that Dooling and Earl Boykins were hardly the problem a year ago.
Consider that Dooling had the 15th best adjusted +/- in the whole league, capably defended both backcourt positions, and has always been a character guy in the locker room. As a starter he put up 10.0 ppg, 5.7 apg, 2.0 rpg and just 1.4 turnovers while shooting .411/.358/.868, which aside from a lower usage rate compares rather favorably to Jennings' numbers. And while I'm not sure if he'd be able to replicate it next season, the fact that the Bucks were +3.3 pts/100 with Dooling on the court and -3.5 pts/100 with Dooling on the bench is pretty clear evidence that he did nothing to hurt them a year ago. If anything, the Bucks' need for a top shelf backup like Ridnour says more about the shortcomings of Jennings than those of Dooling and Boykins, but that's a conversation for another day, isn't it?
Caponomics: What it means for the Bucks' finances
So what does it mean financially if both Dooling and Ilyasova are allowed to leave? Since both players have expiring contracts it doesn't impact the Bucks' cap situation beyond the coming season, and the modest size of their contracts mean the Bucks' cap flexibility wouldn't be dramatically altered either way. If you include Luc Mbah a Moute's $1.09 million qualifying offer, 120% of Tobias Harris' rookie scale amount, and a minimum deal for Jon Leuer, the Bucks would have $54.6 million committed to 14 players. That's $3.4 million under last year's cap figure, and while it's anyone's guess what the cap will look like under the next CBA, the Bucks don't figure to be in much trouble even if the owners do institute a hard cap and substantial reductions in player salaries.
It also bears mentioning that there's virtually zero chance they'll be able to retain Mbah a Moute at a number close to his QO, so the main effect of Dooling and/or Ilyasova leaving would be a modest bump in the cash available to bring back Luc. And if Ilyasova leaves it would also increase the Bucks' incentives to re-sign Mbah a Moute in the first place. Using the same assumptions and taking Dooling and Ilyasova off the books, the Bucks would then have $49.8 million committed to 12 players including the QO, or $48.7 million and 11 guys without it. All manageable numbers.
Ilyasova and Dooling were also the Bucks' likeliest trade candidates even before their Turkish departures hit the headlines, so perhaps the biggest question is whether the Bucks would rather have them as assets to package in a trade or simply pocket their salaries to spend (or not spend) elsewhere. Again, Ilyasova is underpaid so you'd think some team would be willing to give up an asset for him, though the Bucks' inability to deal him on draft night suggests the market for him was softer than they hoped.
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I disagreed with a lot here, and thus assumed...
… that the author was someone other than Frank Madden. (Usually his stuff makes so much sense to me that my comments are either boring or eccentric.) Wrong I was about this piece.
Any defense of Dooling runs aground, I think, on the problem that he’s not a point guard. That didn’t stand out re Jennings because Jennings has a lot to learn there too. Boykins is no PG either. I enjoyed aspects of both of them, but if we’re to win more than lose, neither will be much help. We can presumably use those modest monies better.
Dooling’s contribution was to exhibit high moral character, make the occasional jump shot, abstain from most (NOT ALL!) on-court stupidity, and be invisible. In Hogwarts, invisibility is a weapon. In Buckwarts, it’s not.
About Ersan, The Author had this to say: “it’s hard for me to feel too sorry for a guy who complains about playing time and the team’s ball movement when his minutes increase, his productivity declines and his shot selection remains questionable at best”
I didn’t realize he’d complained about the team’s ball movement. Good for him. To me that’s just an honest criticism of a team that was smart enough individually, but stupid as a team. That was probably coached to do things on individual effort (see Salmons trying to do way too much individually). Rather than coached to create for each other (which under young Jennings they weren’t capable of).
Ersan was at his worst in that situation. He’s not a US-style one-on-one player. He probably looked about as bad as he could last season. Management didn’t like it. They’re going with other options. And while I think they intend to improve team play, that’s an objective. Not a given. So I hope Ersan gets a chance to move on.
If he’s honest and outspoken, Ersan won’t have much good to say about the Bucks. Bad things deserve to be said about last year’s team. I believe Hammond and Skiles want the next Bucks team to be quite different. Time will tell.
If Ersan moves on without any return, forum folks (some of whom overrate him significantly) will complain. Why didn’t they trade him around the draft? From here, I see two possibilities. One, he had no real trade value. Two, Hammond didn’t bother. It would be puzzling why he wouldn’t bother except that Hammond has shown a sometime indifference to marginal talent (e.g., selling the 2nd round pick for cash).
The whole Losing A Player For Nothing lament is a puzzle to me. If you get back little pieces for departing players, perhaps those insignificant little pieces can be parleyed into something that does matter. A question would be how iffy that process is. The key thing, though, seems to be using the cap money wisely. Who cares about losing minor players for nothing if the money freed up brings in better players that improve the team. Yes, better players are a must (enter small market argument?).
At last I’m done.
It's fine for Ersan to be critical, but...
If Ersan wants to be taken seriously he should be expected to show some self-awareness, too.
To me his comments smack of the same poor reasoning Jennings showed when he complained about not being the #1 option anymore. Jennings has shown nothing to suggest he should be a #1 option on offense, and Ersan has not shown he deserves to be a starting PF. So what exactly does he expect? Ersan didn’t deserve more playing time than the ample burn he got last season (only Mbah a Moute played more among PFs). He hasn’t earned the right to be a starting PF…simple as that. And judging by all the talk that the Bucks were trying to move him around the draft, it would appear the rest of the league feels similarly. So while I think Skiles can be second-guessed for his rotations last year, I don’t count Ersan’s minutes among them.
As for Dooling, I understand the criticism that he’s not a point guard, but he played plenty of PG last season and as noted the Bucks were better than the other team when he was on the court. And they were worse than the other team when he was on the bench. Given the low standards that should be applied to backup point guards, that’s good enough for me. And I’d rather have that than a “pure” PG who leaves you worse off on the scoreboard.
by Frank Madden on Jul 30, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
we have a difference of opinions
I don’t say Ersan reacted with wisdom or maturity, but I think his situation was and should have been highly frustrating for him. Not lack of minutes. Lack of teammates. Ersan’s body language was lousy, unacceptable. But I don’t go for scapegoating. Just let him move on.
To say that the Bucks were better with non-entity Dooling on the floor probably indicts Jennings and/or Salmons. That’s like saying zero is better than minus 2. Admittedly, Dooling can be a nice little player – on a losing team.
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Our contrary views may come in part from my disgust with last year’s teamwork. To me, Ersan is the canary in the coal mine that reveals the presence of noxious gases. And Dooling is the invisible man who didn’t cause the problems and didn’t help rectify them.
It’s always nice to know that the people running all the basketball and sports games allow players to actually still play while a lockout is happening. After all, what would happen to the players if they couldn’t train quite regularly?
Halloween World
Decisions..Decisions...Decisions:
I’m confused. The previous article on Ersan states in part, “he has agreed in principle”.
Which to me means we got alittle ‘housekeeping’ to do, but, your in?
This piece uses the adage, “rumored”. Seems like quit a leap, or arc from one to the other? Help me out please. What is Ersan’s status? Signed or Not?
Ersan, has much I has I like guy, never distinguished himself, or seperated from the pack enough to qualify for that starting nod on a night to night basis. He’d have a couple of nice games, and sadly, disappear for a week. Then, another little flurry before flattening out. Consistancy, and frankly, growing abit more each season. Again, I hope the best for him, but, if departing is the result of the stated premise, “entitled/deserve to start”, sorry…“I can’t go for that”>>>
I'm not sure it qualifies as a false alarm...
But the previous reports from Turkey probably overstated how close the deal was to happening…tough to say given European press can often be tabloidish. Probably just a matter of time before Ersan signs somewhere, but I’ll be curious to see if it actually is Fenerbahce and the size/length of the deal.
by Frank Madden on Jul 31, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Dooling did a fine job as a point last year
But with Beno and Livingston I won’t be losing too much sleep over him. What will be missed will his consistently on his defensive end, unless Beno somehow dramatically improves under Skiles. (Unlikely, IMO)
The Artist Formerly known as Speedingtime/Speedy
I thought Dooling performed exactly as a BAE veteran back-up combo guard would...
But that aint sayin much and he’s obviouslt the odd man out after the trades.
Not that it’s official – but having KD and Ersan leave for Europe will certainly clear up some roster questions/rotations.
Of course, it won’t matter for this year anyways, as the season will be lost to the lockout.
I imagine we are treating Dooling the way we should have treated Salmons at the end of last year
job well done thanks for the effort…lets move on
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