Spurs vs. Bucks Preview: Andrew Bogut Expected Back As Bucks Return Home From Ugly Road Trip
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 1:25 AM CST
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The Milwaukee Bucks expect to have Andrew Bogut back when they return home following from 0-5 Western Conference road trip to host the San Antonio Spurs in Milwaukee.
Mirror, mirror. Though the Spurs' 6-3 record is nearly the reverse of the Bucks' 2-6 mark, the two teams have one obvious trait in common: both teams are undefeated at home and yet to win on the road, with the Spurs losing each of their three road games (Houston, Minnesota, Oklahoma City) by at least 10 points.
Bogut returns. Andrew Bogut's absence didn't help the Bucks any on their disastrous 0-5 Western road trip, but his expected return tonight does offer renewed hope that Milwaukee will turn things around this season. Unfortunately there's still no word on the return of Mike Dunleavy (groin), Luc Mbah a Moute (knee tendinitis) or Beno Udrih (shoulder). The Spurs are dealing with their own absence however--star wing Manu Ginobili is out at least another month after breaking his hand two weeks ago.
Aside from the obvious importance of adding Bogut back into the starting lineup, Scott Skiles may also shake up his PF rotation. Ersan Ilyasova has started all eight games to date, but consistency has once again been an issue.
"He's pressing a little bit," Skiles said. "The reality is Ers' ideal role is probably an off-the-bench forward, anyway.
"It's not that he can never start. It's just that if you had a really good, deep club, that would be his role."
Not exactly a ringing endorsement, though it's hardly unexpected given Ilyasova's struggles shooting the ball and inconsistent defense to date. On the positive side, it's difficult to argue that Jon Leuer hasn't been the most deserving of the starting power forward position to date, but whether Skiles rewards the rookie with a starting spot is unclear. At a minimum, it's encouraging to see Leuer getting consistent minutes; he's now played 20+ minutes in three straight games.
Score Antonio. Remember when the Spurs were supposed to be boring? This year's edition leads the NBA in scoring efficiency despite losing the hyper-efficient Manu Ginobili to a broken hand a couple weeks ago (he could miss up to two months).The Spurs are also fifth in defensive rebound rate (75.9%), a stark contrast to the Bucks' struggles which has them third from the bottom (69.7%). Milwaukee's pre-shot defense has been better, as they're fourth in the league in turnover differential.
The kids are alright. The Spurs are generally considered an older team because of graybeards like Duncan and Ginobili, but R.C. Buford and company have also done very well finding young rotation players to complement their aging stars. They have currently four players with three or fewer seasons of experience with PERs over 15 (Gary Neal, DeJuan Blair, Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard) and that doesn't even include talented big man Tiago Splitter and 2010 first round pick James Anderson. Neal came out of nowhere to claim an all-rookie team nod last season, while Leonard recorded his first career double-double in the Spurs' 108-96 loss to the Thunder on Sunday.
For the Bucks, Leuer has been a bright spot since the first game of the preseason, but Milwaukee also saw some encouraging things during the blowout loss in Phoenix, as rookie Tobias Harris scored 15 points on eight shots in his second NBA game. It was mostly garbage time stuff, but for a 19-year-old kid who missed virtually all of training camp it's very positive stuff.
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here's hoping Bogut is back, rested and ready
Getting the season back on track starts here, and I for one am excited!
Would be ideal to have a full compliment, but they have their outs so we can consider ourselves a big chance.
Benching Ilyasova and working out what the heck to do with S-Jax are the things I’m looking for.
rather strange comment
By Skiles on Ersan. That kind of candor from a coach depreciates the “asset.” Does Ersan need the reality check?
My prediction for tonight is tha
by unklchuk on Jan 10, 2012 2:05 AM CST via Android app reply actions
He's right though, what he said.
It’s just that (and I think even Jon McGlocklin said this) the tone of Skiles has increasingly become more like a frustrated fan and less like a coach. At least it’s a bit refreshing.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
I've described that "frustrated fan" thing too
It troubles me. Since when is a coach, a strong coach by rep, helpless?
If he’s frustrated, it means he find it impossible to change what he doesn’t like. (At least, short term.) Why is that?
Players who can’t change? Management that ties his hands? I’m not happy when my coach sounds helpless.
The more impotent Skiles is as a coach the higher the pick we will likely get.
Impotent Skiles = high pick = good!
MAYBE
…the Bucks will be bold enough to switch emphasis to building a younger team. Away from Win Now. But it doesn’t seem likely; it wouldn’t be easy with this team’s makeup; and I wouldn’t be confident they could do it boldly and well.
I would be ok with us not tanking under the following circumstances...
We give only the guys that are young and play the right way the playing time… I’m mostly sick of taking the rest of the league’s castaways and trying to win now with them.
I would really like to get a really high pick and pair a guy who has star potential with Jennings, Bogut, Harris, Hobson, Livingston, Sanders and our good role players and play with them.I’m ok with not being an elite team but I want to see guys who play the right way and are young with room to grow. That just isn’t going to happen when you are giving Jackson and Gooden so much burn.
YOU FORGOT LEUER
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Under the kids are alright
The Danny Green after Tiago Splitter should be James Anderson?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Start these guys:
Leuer
Harris
Bogut
Livingston
Jennings
Yup.
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
I posted this on the Suns/Bucks recap but.....
We are not referring to this as tanking, it should be called re-tooling. I think tanking gives the idea of blowing everything up and starting from scratch whereas retooling is taking the good pieces you have and build around it. Tommy’s starting lineup looks good, I might look at trading Bogut if the right offer was rthere as I think he may have peaked , but that’s just opinion.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Spurs fan here
What’s up Bucks fans. I’m a Spurs fan from Argentina so I’ve been following the Bucks for the past couple of years since you guys have Delfino on your roster.
You guys have started a little slower than I expected but losing its best player can do that to a team, as Spurs fans know all to well. I’m glad Bogut’s back. Hopefully all the injured guys can return in time too, so you can make a push for the playoffs (what’s up with all the injuries BTW? The Bucks are one of the unluckiest teams in terms of health).
Anyway, I just wanted to come here to say hi and maybe start talks for an Ersan for Bonner trade :). If you want to visit Pounding The Rock, we’d be happy to have you drop by. Oh, and Spurs by ten tonight.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
If Bonner is on a one year contract
Sign me up for that deal, bonus is he wants to be a Canadian citizen although the Government disn’t co-operating.(which by the way I agree with, the practice oof granting athletes quick citizen status is wrong IMO but that’s anoher story)
And welcome by the way.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 10, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Bonner. Name familiar, but nothing beyond that
Is he a not very tall, not very athletic white guy? Shoots well? Reasonably smart, but doesn’t impact the game that much? Just guessing. That’s the kind of subs we typically acquire.
I agree with Skiles that Ersan would be a good sub on a good team. Is that what you have in mind? But Ersan has to get his mojo back. Lately, he hasn’t been impacting the game much. He’s better than that, and will be if his confidence returns. If you have a squad that moves the ball well, and can give Ersan the ball in the right situations, he can play well for you. He’s just not currently much of a one-on-one player, as are so many in the NBA. Plus, he seems to have run into a wall here (half his thinking; half the way our team uses or doesn’t use him) and would benefit from a new location.
But we have too much middling depth. We need to trade 2-for-1. You got ideas on that?
It was just a little joke, actually. Neither team would do it IMO. It’s just that you guys seem down on Ersan and Bonner hasn’t been playing well lately.
Since you asked, a dream scenario for me would be Sanders and Ersan for Bonner, a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder. (Never gonna happen, I know)
I agree with you in the assessment of the two players BTW. Ersan is younger and is the superior athlete but is really inconsistent; Bonner is a lights-out shooter from 3 but struggles on D. Neither should be more than a first big off the bench.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
You're right about the second scenario
If the Bucks traded Sanders for a latish first round pick I would be upset., regardless of Sanders deveolpment so far. IMO Bonner would have more use than Ersan here but that’s just me
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 10, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Bogut and Ersan
For Splitter, Anderson and McDyess
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 10, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Splitter, Anderson and McDyess?
I didn’t know we needed legal services? That’s one expensive firm, but hey the NBA ain’t cheap.
I’d ask who they are, but that would be lazy — visible for all the world to see. I could easily Google them and find out for myself. But lazy sounds about right. I’ll wait until they are Bucks and then Google them. Or rather, I’ll watch tonight and they’ll likely play.
I’d do it in a second and I’m not sure you’ll find a Spurs fan that wouldn’t
I’m not sure if McDyess’s contract can be traded since he retired, though.
My intention was not to come here and start trade speculation. I just wanted to drop by and say that I hope for a good game tonight and that I read Brew Hoop regularly, but now that you’ve presented that trade I have to ask: are you guys (or at least you, CB) that down on Bogut that you’d trade him for Splitter and Anderson?
Is it because he’s injury prone? I know he’s struggling a bit to return to form, but I think he’s still a fantastic center in a league that doesn’t boast a lot of them. Or do you guys just think the team should start rebuilding?
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
I believe that he has hit his peak(maybe my opinion only)
And that people were paying high for centres in free-agency that now would be a good time to trade him. You can alos hid Boguts relatively weak offensive game on a team that has offense, thae Bucks sadly don’t have that and need him to score. The injuries and missed games are part of the equation as well I am a bit worrid that when his contract is done he won’t even be at the level he is at now.
And if not McDyess something else to make the trade work.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I agree w/ you about trading Bogut sooner than later in his career
But I’d like to think you’d get waaaay more than just Splitter and Anderson…
I also agree that Bogues has probably hit his peak
He was showing signs of a repectable offensive game before the injury – but now he’ll forever be Ben Wallace IMO
[not a bad thing, but not a franchise cornerstone either]
Oh OK. It makes more sense now. For a team with a rapidly closing championship window and two extremely gifted backcourt offensive players such as the Spurs, a guy like Bogut would be a godsend.
For an offensively-challenged team like the Bucks, to have that much money tied up to an injury prone defensive player when there’s a budding youth movement rising, it might no be such a good idea.
As much as I would like Bogut on the silver and black, you probably can get more value for him that anything the Spurs can give you.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
As a Portland fan I'm highly interested in acquiring Bogut.
Any combination of players, picks, cash and rights to euro guys is on the table not named LaMarcus Aldridge.
What about Marcus Camby (expiring contract), Wesley Matthews (local boy with the heart of a lion), rights to Victor Claver, 2012 and 2013 2nd round pick and 2 million cash for Andrew Bogut and we take Drew Gooden’s albatross contract?
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
Bogut and Aldridge would be a wicked combo
But I wouldn’t call Goodens contract an Albatross… He’s avg 12/8 and is 6mil per for three more yrs.
That’s actually good value considering some of the ridiculous deals that have been done the past 2 yrs
Yeah... bigs for the most part will always get overpaid...
While Goodens contract isn’t ideal I take less issue with the deal and more issue with who its given to… Gooden is, as we know, talented but he just has those infuriating mental lapses…
Fair enough.
I still think he’s overpaid, especially considering how poor he is on the defensive end, his age, and the fact that his contract is for 4 more years, not 3. His production will most likely fall off a cliff in the duration of this contract, and that’s why I consider it bad.
Would you rather us take Stephen Jackson off your hands? Who else is overpaid that you’re looking to get rid of? I’m just trying to work out taking on some bad contracts, because it’s the only way I can see us getting Bogut without also having to trade the farm for him and gutting our team. I want to stay competitive in all positions, while adding Bogut, and I’m willing to bog down the team with some bad contracts to make it happen.
And yes, I believe that a frontline of Wallace, Aldridge and Bogut would be the best in the league.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
Not if they both develop as they could
It’s a gamble for sure but any time you trde a vet for kids it is.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
TBH I would rather talk the Sixers into
Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes for Bogut and their choice of Delnio, Ersan, Brockman. I think Philly would be tempted as they are a pretty good team right now and Bogut could take them to the East final maybe. Unfortuantely most of the teams that could really use Bogut(Boston, Knicks etc)have not much to offer. You could try GS too, but other than Thompson and maybe Curry, not sure what else I would want from that roster. Feel free to rip me to shreds, it’s only my opinion(and dignity)
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
As long as we're playing GM ; )
3 team deal w/ Orlando & NJ
Orl gets Bogut, BJ and our first rd pick
NJ gets D Howard
Milw gets Lopez, M Brooks and NJs first [probably top 5]
Dunno how the salaries match though
We would need more back
Say like Okur’s expiring and you would be okay I think. If NJ has a first and it wsn;t top-12 protected I would do it(Morrow or Brooks) but w/o the pick, not a chance.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Unless Howard propels them to the playoffs
Which I would doubt. Would Orlando want BJ with Nelson and Duhon amking 12m between them?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Yeah, Orl would probably have to move a PG
NJ may or may not make the POs this yr w/ DH – but they move into the new arena next yr and the owner has crazy $$$ to spend to put players around DH and D Williams
for NJ, the trade would really be for next yr…
Then the trade would suck
For us
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Other than the PG problem with Orlando
I think the trade is sound from each perspective
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I don't see how this wouldn't work for each team
Orl is gonna lose Howard regardless, and AB, BJ and a lottery pick is good value to me.
NJ gets their man
The Bucks get a legit C to replace AB, a legit SG [so it seems] and a top 5 pick
Hmmmmmm???
Salary matcher
We don’t need the body just the contract.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 10, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
To me, the Bucks are screwed this yr....
Unless Jax somehow finds the fountain of youth.
Having BJ as the primary scorer is a recipe for disaster – but they might not have much of a choice….
BUCKS ARE 2-0 AT HOME!!!
In all honesty, they have had kind of a tough schedule. I think definitely Skiles and Hammond are playing to win. You don’t have to tank now to get a good draft pick. Kind of like the trade deadline in baseball- play to win up until that point, see where you are, and take appropriate action. The question is, when is this season’s “trade deadline”?
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 2:32 PM CST reply actions
Also...
Dunleavy out 2+ more weeks with groin injury… Via Woelfel
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 2:59 PM CST reply actions
I see the flu metastasized to his groin somehow....
Big loss though, Dunleavy was just starting to show promise.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 10, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
We knew he was gonna have injury problems...
though I swear to God, I HATE THE BUCKS’ TRAINING STAFF!!! Has to be one of the worst in the league. Why isn’t that being looked at?
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Excess vomiting leads to groin pull
Absolutely makes sense to me.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
yikes - w/ the schedule for Jan and Feb and no MD for atleast two more wks...
I repeat…. the Bucks are screwed.
Good new for future
Co-Rookie of the year Tobias Harris
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
News, chuk's right edit ftw
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I do agree with the home/road thing.
They’ve played 6 road games and only two home games. 5 road games were on the west coast which is historically bad for the Bucks. I guess I’m just not ready to write this team off yet, especially if Bogut is officially back.
Grillax people
Not off but down
Still think they should have a pretty respectable team by later in the season. But there are so many holes now. Mystery Bogut. Groiniated Dun. Running on Empty Jackson. Unmentored Jennings. Empty Ersan. And a cast of 9 that can do things but on modest levels. I fear we’ll dig an early hole. Don’t you?
by unklchuk on Jan 10, 2012 4:46 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Too bad we couldn't have gotten Gerald Wallace
from Charlotte, instead… oy vey!
Wallace went to the Blazers last season...
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 10, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
Best nickname in the NBA IMO =)
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe the Bucks will
Go on a 58 game winning streak and all of us nay-sayers will look like fools.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Question here
I am unable to watch or listen to the games(until they play the Raps) so I am curious how Leuer’s name is pronounced south of the 49th. I believe it should be pronounced similar to the german word heuer(like tag heuer)or the German National team goalkeeper Neuer which would make it loy-a(short a). No offense meant but sometimes names tend to get mispronounced in the States, I think of Benoit Benjamin whose first name is French and should be pronounced ben-wah, not ben-oyt. Just my curiousity coming through.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
In college, and now-
It’s loo-er
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
And forever will be.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
As others said, it's Loo-er
When immigrants came to the United States they often “Americanized” the pronunciation of their own names. So It probably used to be pronounced like that at one time.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 10, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
wow, shooting at 100%
with SJ and BJ on the court
Kay as of now gunning for repeat mention in best of.
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 7:21 PM CST reply actions
TOBYYYYY
LEUERRRR
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 7:29 PM CST reply actions
Where's all the wit and humour I remember from brewhoop.com gamethreads of old
haven’t been on a gamethread in a long time, everybody give up already for the year or are you guys saving your good material for the second half???
Why doesn't Carlos do that every time?
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 7:40 PM CST reply actions
I put my infamous fant basketball curse on RJ by picking him up earlier today
so far its working well. you know just trying to do my part.
(Children's TV show audience) Hi Frank!
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 10, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm checking in live from my hotel in Victorville, CA
It is magical here.
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
just googled Victorville, CA
wikipedia says there are 175 registered sex offenders located in Victorville, so be careful
by AussieTom on Jan 10, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Still not a real place either. Maybe some day.
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Checking in live from...My basement, That city that nobody can pronounce, WI.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 10, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Checking in an hour post-game from my living room, Brisbane, Oz after missing the game to see Warhorse at the cinema with my father-in-law...
…and the Bucks go and beat the Spurs with Jax shooting 34 with 8 assists…think I picked the wrong choice of viewing to watch almost impossible things happen!
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 10, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Best lineup the Bucks can put out there right now in my opinion
Bogut
Leuer
Jackson
Delfino
Jennings
Guess what time it is???
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 8:02 PM CST reply actions
Comparing Stephen Jackson to Michael Jordan time?
Oh wait, it’s almost the 3rd quarter.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 10, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
We haven't been outscored during halftime all year
Baby steps.
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
Aren’t advanced stats awesome?
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 10, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the 3rd Q thing... :(
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Learning by osmosis
Maybe some of Nash rubbed off on Brandon.
Rubbing implies the Bucks were able to put a hand on him :)
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
zing!!!
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Mine's working f
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Jennings with 10 assists?
Oh yeah, it’s because we’re making shots
It helps, eh?
Career-high is 13. Same as Drew Gooden.
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Great ball movement
Is there any question that Leur should start?
They were passes, obviously
We are going to count those as turnovers to keep his FG % up.
by Brick's house on Jan 10, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
I miss our first team already.
P.s. jax’s back continues to make my grandma’s look great
So I guess I'm the only one here who hasn't seen Arrested Development.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 10, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
You have some homework to do.
First season is up on Hulu. Enjoy
by Brick's house on Jan 10, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Some Tobias favorites...and appropriate Harris scenarios
“WHERE THE F*** ARE MY HARD-BOILED EGGS!??!” (strong rebound/block shot)
“Oh Tobias, you blowhard!” (mental mistake)
“I may have to take a chubby, but I will suck it up!” (um…)
“Allow me to tell the Bard’s tale!” (demanding the ball)
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
It's not too late
You’re smart…you’ll like it.
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
I don't watch much TV period, TBH
Mostly just for sports.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 10, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Hide my thunder
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
It's only because he's playing their first team
Which is shooting 145%
The Spurs have always been a bit of a mathematical paradox.
by Dan Sinclair on Jan 10, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
That's the problem with +/-
He’s been on the court nearly the whole game, so if the team is losing, he’s -. Jackson is having a great game.
finish strong Bucks
this would be a quality win!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 10, 2012 9:00 PM CST reply actions
endure to the end Bucks
finish!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 10, 2012 9:02 PM CST reply actions
Dude if I have to hear, "my honey is happy" one more time
Easy leine’s. S*it son
Skiles has called this game...
about exactly how I would have hoped. Not afraid of the interesting lineups.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 9:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Jon McGlocklin is great.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
nice win
my niece is good luck
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Jan 10, 2012 9:11 PM CST reply actions
I'm more relieved than happy!
Like a weight lifted off our collective shoulders…
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Crazy stat, the Bucks had more assists than rebounds.
Shows how good the shooting was tonight for both sides.
Leuer doesn't seem to get a lot of rebounds,
but he seems to get the big rebounds for the Bucks at the close of games. Seems to have a knack for it.
This is a true fact
My hope is that Skiles going with him in second half might mean the coach finally agrees.
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
I hate to sayit
Honestly. But we should consider the amnesty on Gooden. At some point. Soon. And get a real backup center.
Has to wait until next summer
Until then he’s the Bogut insurance policy.
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Still think Gooden is entirely tradeable
As long as he’s part of a larger deal. There will always be teams looking for bigs who can score around the basket and rebound, even if they are overpaid. Until then, at least he’s a serviceable and overpaid player, not just overpaid.
by Dan Sinclair on Jan 10, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Any word as to why Sanders didn't play?
Was it just a numbers game, too many guys not enough minutes?
Speaking of minutes...
There is going to be a big squeeze on minutes whenever Luc and Dunleavy get back from injury. With Leuer and Harris getting quality minutes so far this season, it will be interesting to see where Luc will get his playing time. Will it be at PF or SF? Will Dunleavy or Delfino play more back court minutes to make room for Harris?
Skiles will have his work cut out for him finding minutes for everyone, but after all the injuries we have had so far this year, it will be a welcome set of problems.
I think Tobias' minutes might get sporadic
He’s playing well but he’s also a rookie. Hobson should go back down to the D-League once we get a bit healthier. Even when Jackson plays well, it’s silly for him to play 42 minutes IMO. Save his legs a bit.
Leuer is quickly making Ersan redundant, which is nice (though I wish Ersan was putting up a better fight).
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
I hope Hammond keeps his eye out for an Ersan deal as much for Ersan’s sake as for the Bucks. With Leuer looking like the real deal (man I love writing that), I’m sure Ersan’s not-so-subtle desire to leave Milwaukee will flare up again, and he deserves to go to a team that needs and will use him. In the meantime, if the Bucks can get a pick or something, all the better for Milwaukee.
Of course, as soon as the Bucks trade him, he’ll average 14/7 the rest of the year with 38% shooting from behind the arc.
by Dan Sinclair on Jan 10, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Only way Ersan is shooting 38% from behind the arc is if he is doing it in Europe.
He likes that shorter 3 point line.
by Brick's house on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think FIBA has updated the 3PT line to the same as the NBA...
…which means he is screwed =)
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 10, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Who else is ultra happy that jack did something?
I called it. While I thin he’s going to regress for the next two or three games, I think, overall, he’s back. And it makes his craziness enjoyable—“And one!” while missing the shot was just joyful to me tonight.
It's been kind of draining watching him play to this point...
I’m not expecting too many of these nights, but I’m praying he can just get a bit more consistent and avoid the 4/18, six turnover nights. Skiles seems content to ride him through thick and thin, so it’s imperative he not hurt you.
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Jackson/Ersan
Did anyone notice that after Ersan missed that second shot in a row, Jackson looked at Skiles, pointed at Ersan and basically signaled to get this guy outta here. I thought I saw it during the game, but the post game show just confirmed it for me.
No, would love to see it on replay though...
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
Pretty interesting dynamic. Guess there was never much risk of him being shy.
Also, how freaking cool is it that STEPHEN JACKSON IS TOTALLY DOWN WITH JON LEUER.
by Dan Sinclair on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
He seems popular on the team
After all,Beno did gave him that Gucci Ipad cover.
by Brick's house on Jan 10, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
That was one of my favorite tweets ever.
by Dan Sinclair on Jan 10, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
You know the saying "The pot calling the kettle black'
Well maybe jax should have told Skiles to get Jax out there a few games this year.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 10, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Just got home
Wanted to say I had a premonition that Stephen Effin Jackson was going to go 12-17 and score 34 points but would anyone believe me? Looks like the co-rookies of the year did ok as well, and jennings with 11 helpers, wow. And to beat a team that shot 60%? Ok this is good..maybe Frank ws right, we’re 33-33 on the season. Please Scott Sklies start Loo-er
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I got a bit of a shock myself after missing the game.
Sadly, I was expecting a 20 point drubbing…happily, I was sooooooo wrong!
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 10, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
I really think Gooden should be the leader of our 'Scrub Club'...
…to close out blow-outs (whether we are winning or otherwise).
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 10, 2012 10:34 PM CST reply actions
Also, how did Bogut look in his first game back?
Jaded? Pumped? Timid?
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 PM CST reply actions
Sad I missed this game!
But excited about the result! For those who watched, how did everything look?
On Wisconsin!
Jax finally had everything going
Making shots, sharing the ball, not turning it over, etc…def not the Jax we saw in the first 8 games.
Jennings played very under control, didn’t shoot at all early and guys were making shots (hence the assists). But picked spots in 2nd and 4th quarters…outplayed Parker down the stretch which was the difference IMO.
Harris know how to play. Ditto Leuer, though that’s obvious by now. Skiles started Leuer in second half and he closed out game as well (yay).
Bogut not firing on all cylinders quite yet but damn is it nice having him in the middle…
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Bogut not firing on all cylinders quite yet but damn is it nice having him in the middle…
Sounds like his career to date … God help the opposition if he ever figures out how to replace that mis-firing spark plug!
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 10, 2012 10:55 PM CST reply actions
He likes cars, he should be able to figure that out
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
He's just taken six years to read the manual ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 10, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
both teams played well
Parker and Duncan were incredibly effective. Other Spurs good too. We tried on defense, but it was tough.
Jackson was masterful (though I thought him sloppy in the final minutes). With Jackson as the alpha, Jennings flourished. Carlos made shots. Everybody had energy. Bogut had a few Take That moves, and warrior faces. Leadership matters!
Would have liked to replay that reported move where Cap’n Jack signalled Skiles to get Ersan out of the game. But it’s been deleted. That’s an interesting and perhaps impactful dynamic on this team.
It’s going to matter a lot the level at which Jackson’s game stabilizes. He may not be just what we need, but he’s a hell of a lot closer than any other Buck.
Totally agree on the last point
The difference between Jax tonight and every other game this season is about…well, the difference between a superstar and a D-Leaguer. He’s somewhere in between, but where?
by Frank Madden on Jan 10, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
I think Skiles will share
If Jackson accepts minimizing turnovers and forced shots, I think Skiles will be fine with him having some on-court authority. Be helpful and educational for Jennings.
I’m hoping & seeing signs that the two are brothers in their competitive spirits. If Jackson can accept that for an aging player Less is often More, then he can contribute whether the particular game is loud or quiet. IOW, he won’t have to make shots every night.
But egos are slow to change. We’ll have to watch and see.
Sure bummed I missed this game!
How often can we say about a Bucks game ‘both teams played well’? Must’ve been a cracker.
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 10, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
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