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The Philadelphia 76ers (10-3) are a buzz saw. Despite lacking a headliner star and a media side-story to drive any national narrative, Philadelphia owns the best defense in the NBA and by far the highest efficiency differential of any team in the league. They are now one of four remaining teams (Bucks, Bulls, Spurs and 76ers) with a perfect record at home, while the Milwaukee Bucks are still one the three teams (Wizards, Bucks, Spurs) yet to win a game on the road. When the schedule makers ordered the Bucks (4-8) to go up against a buzz saw in Monday's matinee game, what did you think would happen?

No watershed moment ever emerged, and the 76ers never overtly flashed their dominance, but they kept spinning their blade and slowly tearing the Bucks into pieces en route to a comfortable 94-82 home victory. After keeping it close for the first 8 minutes, the Bucks never held a lead in the final 40 minutes. That's how a buzz saw works when operated correctly: it initiates a slow but deadly separation that simply cannot be undone.

Star-divide

The Philadelphia 76ers executed their deadly efficient style of basketball over the course of the afternoon, never allowing the Bucks to jump ahead after 10 lead changes early in the first quarter. The bloodletting began with just over four minutes left in the first quarter, when a 16-13 Bucks lead abruptly vanished without a single second coming off the game clock. Stephen Jackson fouled former Bucks' second-round pick Jodie Meeks on a missed three-point attempt with 4:10 remaining in the first, Meeks calmly drained all three free throws and Jackson picked up his fifth technical foul of the season before the Bucks could even inbound the ball, allowing Meeks to hit his fourth consecutive free throw and give the 76ers a 17-16 lead. Jackson responded with a quick right-handed runner in the lane on the next possession, but from there the Bucks never again played from the front.

Jrue Holiday and Andre Iguodala did most of the damage on the afternoon for Philly. Jrue paced all scorers with 24 points on 11-17 shooting, while Iggy followed closely behind with an even more efficient 21 points on 9-14 from the field. Aside from their scoring, both players truly disrupted the Bucks' offense on the perimeter. Holiday swiped five steals and held Brandon Jennings to just seven points and a paltry two assists, while Iguodala collected three steals and two blocks and limited Stephen Jackson to just nine points. The other standout for the 76ers was sixth man Lou Williams, who finished with 17 points and 6 assists. The more I see the 25-year old play, the more I think he represents the best hope for Brandon Jennings going forward. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as Williams' 58.3% TS and 23.7 PER signal his impact so far this season, but the comparison no doubt favors the 76ers' sixth man at this stage in their respective careers.

Don't blame Andrew Bogut for the loss. After missing Friday's blowout road loss to the Dallas Mavericks with concussive symptoms, the big Aussie returned to action and looked very good from the get-go. Bogut won the jump ball at center court to open the game and never looked back. He seriously outplayed 76ers' center Spencer Hawes, using low-post isos and mid-post face ups to generate a game high 12-points on 6-10 shooting in the first half. Perhaps even more importantly, he grabbed more rebounds than any other player and helped the Bucks earn a 41-39 advantage on the glass. His final line of 20 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists and 3 blocks marked his third double-double of the season and his best performance of the young season.

Veteran guard Beno Udrih also jumped back into the fray after missing the previous five contests with a shoulder injury and got off to a hot start -- 4 points, 2 assists, 0 turnovers in 7 first half minutes -- on his way to 10 points on 3-4 shooting and 3 assists in 20 minutes. Bucks rookies Tobias Harris and Jon Leuer represented the other two bright spots for Milwaukee. 76ers coach Doug Collins elected to open the game with Elton Brand offering Leuer a 10-foot cushion when he caught the ball at the three-point line. Rather than panic or hesitate, the savvy second-round pick calmly used one dribble to find a comfortable range and hit an uncontested 18-foot jumper to open the scoring. Needless to say, Collins had his defenders play Leuer straight-up for the rest of the afternoon. With each passing game he continues to show he deserves his place as an NBA starter, which can only be considered a good thing for the Bucks. Not to be outdone by Leuer's 11 points on 5-8 shooting and 3 rebounds, first-round pick Tobias Harris bested his teammate by attacking in the paint and dropping 12 points on 5-8 shooting with 3 rebounds. If it helps to soften the loss, the team's 2011 draft class looked very good on Monday afternoon.

Now the Bucks get to push their road woes to the side and once again focus on their home dominance as they prepare for a quick turnaround against the Denver Nuggets on Tuesday night. Let's hope they can continue to perform well at home, because this road thing isn't working out too well right now. Hey, at least they don't have to play the Sixers for a while.

(Note: Frank Madden provides the usual recap items below)

Three Bucks

Andrew Bogut. Bogut's season-high 20 points marked the first time he made better than 50% from the field all season, and he also added season-high-tying totals of four assists and three blocks to boot. While Bogut's passing has always drawn praise, his passing out of the post has typically lagged behind the vision he shows when facing up from the top of the key. That wasn't the case today, as he found cutters on a handful of occasions and deal well with the bodies Philly began to throw at him over the course of the game.

Tobias Harris. Another solid effort from Harris after a couple of wobbly efforts over the past week. Though he's yet to show much of a perimeter game, Harris continues to look at ease on the block and cutting in along the baselines, showing an excellent understanding of where to be and how to use his body against defenders. While the Bucks aren't exactly loaded with effective scorers, it still says something that the first two plays of the fourth quarter went to Harris inside, including a tricky entry pass from Bogut that Harris did well just to catch. And yes, he finished both of them.

Beno Udrih. We could easily go with Leuer here, but Udrih deserves credit for serving as a stabilizing presence off the bench while Jennings spent much of the night struggling on both ends.

Three Numbers

11/23. The Sixers curiously put up identical shooting numbers from both at the rim and three point range, which means that a) they didn't finish well at all and b) it didn't matter because they buried nearly half of their 23 triple attempts.

60. The Sixers were unstoppable in the odd quarters, totaling 60 of their 94 points in the first and third while holding the Bucks to 44 in the same span.

20/31. Holiday and Iguodala were the two Sixers who scored from all over, beating the Bucks off the bounce (7/11 at the rim), with pull-ups (4/4 on long twos), and with their ability to stroke open threes (5/9).

Three Good

The real Bogut? He didn't have much help, but Bogut finally delivered the sort of comprehensive performance we've been hoping for since the beginning of the season. It's difficult to see the Bucks not pulling themselves together if Bogut can consistently bring games like this with more regularity. Sounds familiar, eh?

Finishing. The Sixers entered the game as the league's best finishing team, converting 72% at the rim, but shot under 50% thanks to a combination of Bogut challenging shots and the Sixers missing chippies. In contrast, the Bucks were a sparkling 19/23 around the hoop, with Bogut (7/7) and Harris leading the way (5/6).

Getting...healthy...slowly? The Bucks should have the depth to deal with injuries in the backcourt and wings, but there's no replacing Bogut and he showed why today. Meanwhile, Udrih showed he can also deliver some scoring punch off the bench, especially when Jennings is off his game. That's the good news. More on the bad down below.

Three Bad

Perfectly imperfect. Losing eight consecutive road games isn't easy, especially for a team that has a reasonable amount of talent. But that's where the Bucks currently stand, and it doesn't get much easier for the remainder of the month: the Bucks travel to New York, Miami, Houston and Chicago over the next two weeks, with home games sandwiched in against the Nuggets, Hawks and Lakers. The Bucks don't get any "easy" (OK, probably not the right word for an 0-8 team) road games until early February when they face Detroit, Toronto and Cleveland.

Cold wings. The Bucks' starting guards/wings (Jennings, Jackson and Delfino) combined for just 23 points on 31 shots compared to 54 points on 39 shots from their Philly counterparts (Holiday, Iggy and Meeks). Jennings in particular was notably outplayed by his old buddy Holiday, whom the Bucks nearly selected instead of Jennings in the 2009 draft.

Getting...healthy...too slowly? While the return of Bogut (mainly) and Udrih makes a big difference, the question remains: what if anything will it take for the Bucks to turn the corner? You can count me among Luc Mbah a Moute and Mike Dunleavy's biggest fans, but the Bucks should still be able to keep things together without them, right? While the absence of rotation regulars is bound to create problems for any team's continuity--especially without a training camp--the Bucks can only lean on that excuse for so long.

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They're unbeaten at home

We’re winless on the road.

Something nothing had to give.

by ZV on Jan 16, 2012 5:25 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Revenue sharing

Hopefully revenue sharing means the Bucks will give current and future young prospects a longer look than they afforded Meeks.

by Southern Marxist on Jan 16, 2012 7:06 PM CST reply actions  

Not sure what revenue sharing has to do with that

Just thought they cut bait on him too fast.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 16, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe a Middling SG Sharing program will emerge

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as I dislike him

Kobe would look nice in a Bucks uniform(in a manly way of course)

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 16, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha, well played!

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't want to get the Aussies posting

Rule #3 No pooftahs

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 16, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha!

…and don’t forget rules #5 & #7…no pooftahs! ;)

Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 16, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Other than Steve's buzzsaw

…this is a rather upbeat recap. IMO.

The Bucks played bad defense. Didn’t come close to having the level of energy needed to have a chance in this contest. Did little aggressive or creative in generating offense, at least not consistently. I missed Udrih’s positive start, but I saw his lousy defense and flat PGing.

Most of all, Jackson played like an individual. As blah as the others, seemingly preoccupied with what he wanted to do himself. If he doesn’t lead and thus raise Jennings play, then against a good team we lose like wimps.

I should thank the stars every morning that I don’t coach this team, that I’m not Skiles. I agree with Bogut that if the team plays like today they will lose a LOT of games. I don’t understand why they can’t play harder – perhaps it’s because they don’t know what they are doing and why they’re doing it.

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 7:07 PM CST reply actions  

See, I'm more of the mind that the 76ers are really good than the Bucks were really bad.

Sneaky good in fact :)

But I like the anger and enthusiasm for the Bucks you have, chuk. I can’t say they don’t deserve it.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The 76ers play like I wish the Bucks played

I’ll give Philly the better talent. I’ll grant them much better developed teamwork. I’ll give them the win, by 10 points or so. But I want my team to play as hard and as smart as the opponent. And to show some ability to fail and adapt and thus learn. Did you see effort? Did you see aggression? Did you see any sign that next week they’ll be better than they were today?

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

As far as good things, it's what I said in the recap.

Bogut looked good. Rookies looked good. Everyone else…meh

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I jumped from the 2nd quarter to mid thru the 3rd

And bailed before the very end. The only Leuer I recall was in the first quarter. Was he good overall?

And Harris looked like a pretty promising rookie, to me. Did a few things. Flubbed a few things. Me, I’m left with only Bogut looking good.

The rooks are too unfamiliar to enhance our teamwork. Teamwork is big with me.

But Bogut looked so good we should trade him (for Horford).

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

If Atlanta would do that trade

Would be great because to paraphrase Bruce Lee in “Enter The Dragon” it’s the art of tanking without really tanking.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 16, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Next 8-10 games are going to tell the season

If we are more than 5 games under 500 after that I think we might have dug a hole we can’t get out of. I am still felling a bit of the old cognitive dissonance about tanking though, much as I hate the principle of doing it, you wonder if that’s the only way this team has a shot of getting much better.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 16, 2012 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

Hey comon now Canada, cheer up!

Maybe the Bucks will muster a few more nagging injuries over the next 10 games that will hold us back from pronouncing their season dead :)

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Tough sked coming up

I am worried they’ll go like 3-7 which means 7-15 aka death.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 16, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

disappointed not to see the game being a 3am tip-off for me

And was hoping to see us push them all the way to the wire. I agree with chuk though, fans will tolerate losses if there is method to the game plan and a well-thought out recruitment strategy, which eventually brings decent results over time. However, if you always do what you’ve always done, then you’ll always get what you always got. Just seems like banging your head against a brick wall.

Happy to see Bogut play a decent game – the challenge for him is to back it up, and then back it up again. Leuer and Harris are showing good things and from here you have to think that maybe, just maybe, there is some method in there.

by AussieTom on Jan 16, 2012 7:45 PM CST reply actions  

For some stupid reason i decided to wake up at 5 to watch it.

I thought to myself if i get up at 4am to watch meaningless nfl games ( i support philadelphia eagles) i maze well get up early to see the bucks.
Atleast bogut showed something today.

by Blazza18 on Jan 16, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

I was totally oblivious to the different start time and thought I’d be able to watch it on returning from holidays on the Sunshine Coast at 11…d’oh!

Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 17, 2012 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

yea I'm not sure why I do it

But I’m a sport fanatic. I’ll wake up early, stay up late. Horrible life being a sports fan.

by Blazza18 on Jan 17, 2012 1:11 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

haha, I sat it out in mega-heat last friday at the WACA, watching a painful....

….Indian first innings, and then witnessed one of the great sessions in modern test cricket. Or when West Coast won the premiership in 06, I was drunk for at least a week, probably a month. Being a sport fanatic can be tough, but without sport, I’m not quite sure how I’d get up in the morning.

by AussieTom on Jan 17, 2012 1:55 AM CST up reply actions  

"However, if you always do what you’ve always done, then you’ll always get what you always got."

That used to be inscribed in the marble wall of the Bradley Center until Kohl demanded it be removed.

;)

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 7:49 PM CST reply actions  

Dunno if anyone has really noticed much...

…because I’ve only just taken the opportunity to check….but the NBA has really screwed the Bucks with the opening scheduling. I mean, road trips against top teams to start with (OK, discount Charlotte, Sacto, and the Clips(cos they sucked when the sched was unveiled)) and they’ve played 66% of games on the road to start with, with the entire Dec/Jan sched being 36% home v 64% away. You’d think the league really doesn’t want the Bucks to have any inkling of success. Just whingeing, but…

Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 16, 2012 8:46 PM CST reply actions  

AND! If you look at the only two months where the Bucks play more home than away games...

…in Feb (8h, 7a) the home games come against Miami x2, Orlando x2, Chicago, Phoenix, New Orleans and Washington…and in April (9h, 5a), which is mostly against lower rated teams, but waaay too late in the season to make much of a difference…

Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 16, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I've come to realise

even with all this tank talk, and even if we are all fit and healthy i doubt we are a playoff team. our schedule is super crazy.

by Blazza18 on Jan 16, 2012 8:59 PM CST reply actions  

nuggets from RealGM #1 (this was called the Drew Gooden defense)

Sixers coach Doug Collins said his team’s defense is designed to concede medium-range shots.

"We don’t feel like contested two-point field goals will beat you. At the end of the day you’ll get beat in the paint, you’ll get beat with fast breaks and you’ll get beat behind the three-point line, but we just don’t feel like teams are going to beat you making contested two-point shots," Collins explained. "Our whole philosophy is to try and make those teams make those shots against us. Sometimes it looks like, ‘Man, that guy is really open. Why didn’t someone rotate to him?’ Well, we’d much rather give a guy a long two rather than rotate over so they can make a pass to a guy for an open three."

The Sixers rank first in effective field goal percentage allowed, which adjusts for the added scoring value of three-pointers, at a mere 42.4 percent.

"We think at the end of the day you play your percentages," Collins said. "Somebody might get hot and they might make a few, but at the end of the day we think we’ll just stay with what we’re doing and not panic and it usually works itself out."

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

Alright chuk, what are your thoughts on these 3.5 items? Are they here as the best comments from that site, or did they strike a chord with you?

I’ve got my responses locked and loaded, but nothing hits the screen until I get your comments on each :)

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Collins strategy is a winner

The Bucks gave up easy 3s all night long. They can’t keep their men in front of them to prevent penetration. We are lame on defending the two kinds of shots Collins likes best. Either our coaches or our players currently are ill-equipped for the game of basketball.

That’s my response for this one.

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

The only issue I have with praising Collins' general approach is that if you asked Skiles to distill his defensive philosophy to a couple sentences, I'd imagine his response would be very similar if not the exact same.

It just isn’t playing out as well for Skiles at the moment, but then again it wasn’t so hot for Collins back in Washington.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

If it ain't the coach it's the players -- or the gol-danged newness

Our defensive effort allows the two kinds of shots that Collins says will beat you. Has allowed and continues to allow.

Would you say that’s because we have some new players and they’re not yet executing the defense? That’s a nice thought. Could be true if our men are capable of executing the defense.

But Skiles offers little hope for improvement. He could be saying “We’re still learning to…..” etc etc. Instead he sounds like a responsibility-free observer saying the team isn’t doing this and isn’t doing that. That sounds like stuck in quicksand.

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess it all depends on if you are a believer in LRMAM's defensive abilities.

If so, Skiles deserves slack until he returns.

If not, start sharpening the pitchforks, because I don’t think there are any available lineup combinations he has ignored in the meantime that would solve the problem on its own.

I’m an LRMAM (and Bogut) believer, by the way. The rest of the team is completely fungible on defense as far as I’m concerned.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Just for reference, Skiles "system" outperformed Collins' "system" last season, and not much has changed personnel wise for Philly.

Last year the Bucks were No. 4 in defensive efficiency, while Collins had his team at No. 9

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Never said I preferred Collins to Skiles

Never compared them. Just said I liked Collins description of the type of shots they’re most willing to give up.

I’m not going to lose sleep wondering if its the coach or the players. I just want to go on record as maintaining that the stagnation is unacceptable. My team can lose and I’ll be patient. But it can’t lose without any signs of development, and without playing with high energy. With few team smarts.

Good night…

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

nuggets from RealGM #2

As requested – Jackson is now

21/4/5 on 0.558TS at home, and

12/4/3 on 0.442TS on the road

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 9:35 PM CST reply actions  

Why?

Why the huge difference between road and home for Jackson?

I just have the question, not the answer.

Given how important I think his “leadership” and productivity is, that’s strange – and unacceptable.

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Small sample size, even though he has always been a bit worse on the road (is this true for all/most NBA players? not sure). He is an 11 year vet and the gap is not that huge for any reason other than some blips so far, I'd imagine.

Hoops are the same size and he’s played hundreds of road games in his career (386 to be exact).

Here is a look at his career splits

Home 372 games
Road 386 games

Home 42.7% FG
Road 40.8% FG

Home 35.6% 3PT
Road 40.8% 3PT

Home 17.1 PTS
Road 15.5 PTS

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Oops, that road 3PT should be 32.1%

My cutting and pasting went a bit awry.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

small sample size

OK. I buy some of that.

Guess my conviction comes from watching him play so poorly. Getting poor shots and missing them. I don’t think a vet has to play that way, unless he’s distracted. Or maybe has Iggy cramping his style.

IOW if his basic approach is that wrong, the sample big or small will show that.

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

But it should show equally then road and home, the split shouldn't matter.

I’m not defending his decision-making or execution mind you (I’m sure you saw my original report card article), but focus on the split seems like a red herring.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

OK you caught me...

…wanting more from Jax, and seizing on a (small) surprising stat to say something is wrong.

I think I know your answer but still need to ask you to commit. Is it your belief that the road/home disparity will come together by the home percentage dropping much closer to the road?

I’m guessing that you think a couple very atypical home games got him off to an inflated start he will not come close to maintaining. Is that fair?

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup. I can commit to that. Well said.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 16, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Is this bow hunting season?

Hope you don’t mind immoderate hyperbole. You have shot an arrow through the heart of my hope for this year’s team. If you are right about Jackson, then it more or less follows:

1. The Hammond we have is the semi-incompetent Hammond. I wanted to think that Gooden, Alexander, etc. was a slump like any GM might suffer. But if Jackson is not like the leader Jackson we’ve seen a couple times at home, then he’s another bad or at least inadequate move. By a dumb GM.

2. I’ve only seen limited corroboration for my assertion that the Bucks are leaderless on court. Doesn’t seem as commonplace a belief generally as it is with me. But if Jackson will not be an on-court leader, then my Bucks are still leaderless. And stagnating.

3. If Jennings does not have an on-court mentor who knows how to win, and who shoulders a chunk of the work in running the team, then Jennings improvement this year will be much less.

I don’t say those 3 things as conclusions. I say them as likelihoods. Likely enough, in my view, that this may be another wasted season.

Fans, even loyal fans, don’t have to take in all of a wasted season. Not in real time. I’ll continue to DVR the games. But I won’t watch them unless they deserve watching.

That’s my form of tough love. Meaningless, because I’m not a season ticket holder or someone that even exists in the eyes of the team. But a man does what a man’s gotta do. There’s an implied contract between a franchise and its fan base. The Bucks are in violation of their end of that contract, and have largely been in violation for decades. The fans know this and are avoiding the Bradley Center. If the team remains passive, the end will be soon.

by unklchuk on Jan 17, 2012 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

nuggets from RealGM #3
Typical Skiles era game. Play slowdown ball. Stay within 7-13 points the whole time. Have zero chance of actually winning.

On Tobias Harris:

You’ll get conflicting reports. He made some nice moves around the bucket but nothing that made me say we’ve got the future Marques Johnson here. But I’ve never gotten the vibe from him that we’re talking about a guy who becomes an above average starter in the league.

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 9:37 PM CST reply actions  

Some of the post moves

by tobias are pretty nice. I wouldnt mind seeing a few set plays for him or even leuer for that matter, both seem to know what they are doing sown there. Maybe they can teach bogut something.

by Blazza18 on Jan 16, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

1. Somebody else (a moderator) thought the Bucks had zero chance of winning.

2. Somebody else (a moderator) thought Harris was rookie-fine but not a bright, shiny hope.

by unklchuk on Jan 16, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Good answer.

Usually “never” is meant to signal a long stretch of time, but here we are talking 12 games for a 19-year old rookie. I’m going to let him show me if he can raise his level further. I’m sure you are too.

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NBA Draft Big Board (15+)
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State of the Milwaukee Bucks
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The Canada Bucks Big Board 2012
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Bucks... Looking Ahead To 2013..
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Canada Bucks Mock Draft 2012 v2.01
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Skiles and Team Chemistry
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Two Recent Story Links
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All In On The 8th; Plus Draft Stuff, And John Salmons
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Ekpe Udoh
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The CB 2012 Mock Draft 1-14 First Edition

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