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Nuggets 105, Bucks 95: A Denver Flyby Over Milwaukee

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MILWAUKEE -- Never say... nevermind.

Down by 18 points entering the fourth quarter, Brandon Jennings gave a pulse to the flatlining Bucks. Not only did he score 12 points in the fourth quarter, he scored 12 points in the final six and a half minutes of regulation.

But as fast as Jennings finished, he could not catch the Bucks up to how fast the Nuggets started, who started so fast they went back in time to 1983. So a couple weeks after losing to the Nuggets, the Bucks lost to the Nuggets again.

The Nuggets moved the ball as quickly as they received it, played up-tempo, attractive basketball, without a single star, without key players, and received a balanced night from the starters (four players with 11+ points, none with more than 14 points) and boasted impressive depth off the bench (Andre Miller with 11 assists, Corey Brewers with 22 points, Al Harrington with 16 points, Chris Anderson with defense). In essence, the Nuggets were exactly what we want the Bucks to be.

And while the Bucks resemble last season's Nuggets in at least one way -- no team in the NBA had such a dramatic home/road split as the Nuggets, who went 33-8 at home and 17-24 on the road -- they proved fallible even at home tonight. And so there are not just problems on the road anymore. Home, road. Defense, offense. Now there are a few problems almost everywhere.

Star-divide

Three Bucks

Brandon Jennings. Overall, 30 points on 13-22 shooting and 3-6 three pointers along with 6 assists, 3 steals, and 1 block -- in a game that early on Ty Lawson seemed to have a firm grip on.

Another intrepid fourth quarter from Jennings, who almost impossibly and almost single-left-handedly made a game of it. He netted 12 invigorating fourth quarter points, and his shot distribution in the final 12 minutes was an ideal mix of three-pointers and shots around the rim. Bravo.

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That shot chart reminded me of what Scott Skiles said pre-game, when talking about Denver's successful offense.

Skiles: The percentages league-wide show that is where you normally win games, at the rim and behind the line.

Tobias Harris. Harris got the surprise start tonight. Second half start, that is. With Stephen Jackson wholly ineffective in the first half, Harris joined the first five to start the third quarter, and suddenly the Bucks looked a bit renewed. Tobias started with a defensive board, continued with an alley-oop dunk, and helped Milwaukee win the third quarter 23-22. His line reflects a busy night: 14 points on 5-10 shooting, 4-4 from the line, 8 rebounds (5 offensive), 3 assists, and 1 steal.

Ersan Ilyasova. With Nuggets flying about, Ilyasova was one of the few Bucks to match the energy of the visitors in the first half, eventually tipping his way to 6 offensive rebounds and 11 rebounds overall, most since last February. Added 9 points and 2 blocks, and was more than just out there.

Three Numbers

23-18. The first observation that even the most casual basketball fan would make after watching the game tonight is that the Nuggets burned the Bucks in transition. And to a certain degree, they certainly did. But you might be surprised to see that in the end, the Bucks actually scored 23 fastbreak points (10-11 shooting) compared to 18 fastbreak points (6-11 shooting) for the Nuggets. The issue was that Denver was essentially fastbreaking even after Milwaukee scored.

29-12. The Nuggets may have spent a lot of time running, but they also spent a lot of time giving themselves a break from running, making 29-37 free throws, compared to 12-14 free throws for the Bucks.

27. Denver ranked first in the NBA averaging 24 assists per game entering the game. They did that three better, finishing with 27 assists against Milwaukee.

Three Good

Refreshing Prince. Before the game, Scott Skiles said that Luc Mbah a Moute had the green light to play, but that he didn't foresee playing him more than 10 minutes (if at all) since he had just been cleared to play. Although he did not play, tonight made it all the more evident that the Bucks need him.

Done With Denver. No more Nuggets! The Bucks lost two weeks ago in Denver and then lost by some more tonight in Milwaukee.

Highlight. Drew Gooden threw down a one-handed alley-oop slam from Tobias Harris in the first quarter that would have you genuinely excited about the future if Tobias Harris had thrown down a one-handed alley-oop slam from Drew Gooden in the first quarter.

Three Bad

Jackson Off. Perhaps more than anyone, Stephen Jackson (20.5 points on 48.4 % shooting at home, 11.8 points on 31.8 % shooting on road) had exemplified Milwaukee's home/away basketball bipolarity entering this game, but he spent the first half evening out those numbers and spent the second half on the bench.

The entire second half.

After shooting 0-6 and scoring 2 points 16 minutes in the first half, Scott Skiles did not insert Jackson back into the game, prompting a lively postgame chat from Jackson.

Jackson: We just ain't playing well. We don't have an identity right now. We really don't know where to be on offense. But if they want to single me out, fine, it's my fault. It's my fault. I'll take the blame.

Defense. While the sputtering offense has rightly been an object of disdain for Bucks fans this season, the inconsistencies on defense are even more troubling. Although the team still struggles on offense, they entered tonight ranked 22nd in offensive efficiency, a legitimate improvement on last year's 30th ranked outfit. But they came into the game 17th in defensive efficiency, and then watched the Nuggets put up 63 points in the first half.

The guards are not shutting off driving lanes, the posts are not picking up the slack, and no one is getting back in transition fast enough.

Tired Of Losing. Andrew Bogut played a season-high 41 minutes yesterday in Philadelphia, and while it was yesterday and not last night, that is still quite a lot of minutes. If the Bucks would have capitalized on Bogut's ace game against the 76ers, then a heavy-legged night by Bogut and company would have been frustrating to watch but easier to handle. Instead, a three-game losing streak.


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1. Harris is growing on me. Still looks new, and sorta utilitarian, but his game is growing.

2. I can see why Udrih is in my dog house. Not someone I like running my team. But he’s likely better than he’s looked lately.

3. I watched more of the game than I expected. For a decisive loss displaying known big weaknesses, it didn’t smell as bad as it might have. Wasn’t the quasi-comeback at the end; I didn’t pay attention to that. Might have been that the young players don’t play like the older — like finger nails on a blackboard.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 12:27 AM CST reply actions  

"Utilitarian" is a great word for Harris

If he ever gets to the point of hitting 35% of his threes he’ll be a handful. The fact that he’s providing efficient minutes as a 19-year-old is a very promising sign.

by Frank Madden on Jan 18, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Like a pile-up on the highway...

You don’t want to look but you can’t stop yourself.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 18, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Hah reply fail

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 18, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Harris is going to be a really good player...

He attacks the basket very well and is only 19!!!!

by Superelkman on Jan 18, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I had to go into work today (yes, during my leave!)...

…and to relieve my boredom, had the play-by-play running on my notebook. After 20 minutes (sometime in the 3rd Quarter), I started doing some work to offset my depression… sigh!

Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 18, 2012 12:34 AM CST reply actions  

Depression? That's too sane.

Things are so off the charts now, making so little sense, that I don’t think normal reactions to disappointment fit. I plan to suspend conclusions and anger, keep my seat belt on, and see where the hell the bus goes. Weird times can generate weird options. And that might be interesting, albeit possibly macabre.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 1:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Like a pile-up on the highway...

You don’t want to look but you can’t stop yourself.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 18, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep!

Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 18, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Skiles

…still don’t see where his coaching is making any difference.

If a coach objects (including publicly) to so much of what the players are doing and especially not doing, shouldn’t the players behavior change in at least a few ways?

Tonight Skiles said he doesn’t know why the players are like they are. He said, when you’re dealing with humans, sometimes you can’t tell what drives their behavior. I’m not contemptuous of that. But it puzzles. Give me my druthers, I prefer coaches who know what their players are thinking (and how to motivate them).

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 12:40 AM CST reply actions  

This is what worries me most

It’s essentially the same as last year, where the team’s offense crashed and burned over and over again and Skiles never seemed to be able to come up with a remedy. Just give it to Salmons and let him fly the plane into the ground. I do like that the team seems to be making a concerted effort to play at a quicker pace, and Skiles surely has something to do with that. Unfortunately, he’s been hamstrung by injuries once again, but the creativity and adaptation still seem to be lacking.

The rhetoric and locker-room horror stories that accompany the infamous “Skiles tune-out” don’t seem to have popped up yet, but the play on the court frequently suggests that he’s a man without answers at this point.

by Dan Sinclair on Jan 18, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Good cogent post

You’re right about the quicker pace. And part of the quicker pace was better, more aggressive passing. But as that went MIA, it’s been a team without answers. And without urgency.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

But this is also different from how things went south last year

Last year they defended but couldn’t score in any way, shape or form. This year the offense is inconsistent but no longer bottom of the barrel; that their defense has been below-average league-wise is what scares me. That just can’t happen with a team like this.

by Frank Madden on Jan 18, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, those are differences

But the common thread IMO is that both teams looked adversity in the eye, and blinked, and blinked, and continued to slog on with the same behavior.

You know what they say about doing the same thing and expecting different results.

[Forgive. I need to retreat back into butterfly float. See ya’ later.]

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Jackson

…was calm and open in his “blame me” oration. Didn’t see seething. Didn’t sniff rebellion.

Said the bit about the team not having an identity. Which is true, in spades, of course. Said about 4X that he doesn’t know why. But one time he wandered into saying that he wasn’t going to name any names. Perhaps he does think he knows.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 12:48 AM CST reply actions  

Please fire Skiles

I’ve paid for League Pass now. I don’t want to have to watch us continue to play like we did last year.

by Bucksnorge on Jan 18, 2012 4:10 AM CST reply actions  

Denver is a good team.

They are ranked first in assist and steals. I don’t even know my Sixers can take them. Now if the Bucks lose to the Wizards then think of firing Skiles.

I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.

by BIBTD on Jan 18, 2012 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

If you can stomach a third helping of this game...

I was assigned to write a recap for SB Nation’s NBA Scores And More, and they go up at 7am CST.

Here it is: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/1/18/2715200/denver-nuggets-milwaukee-bucks-score-corey-brewer/in/2479721

I write one each night Sun-Thurs (appearing Mon-Fri mornings), and the matchups are always different teams (tonight is Spurs vs Magic), so if you want more NBA it’s right here.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 7:53 AM CST reply actions  

Sorry

But I can’t give you decent feedback on this piece. Reading it, and being reminded of last night, interferes with my floating like a butterfly. You did present a little baby pearl extricated from the smelly oyster of that game:

“The quality design of that play shined as a momentary beacon of hope for an otherwise routinely stagnant offense, and the crisp execution promised something far better than what the Bucks actually offered from that point forward.”

Dang. Didn’t know we had a point forward. Reminds me of Paul Pressey.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

How far is it to take in some Aussie Open? Clear your mind with top notch Tennis.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Rod Laver Arena is only 2000km away from me...

…could always take in a day trip I guess ;)

Tennis has been sensational tho…Dolgopolov/Kamke, Isner/Nalbandian & Tomic/Verdasco are the best of them so far.

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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 18, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree on the quality of the tennis.

The majors are always fun to see. Sorry about Stosur…

I’m still hoping Federer has one or two more titles in him, but love to watch him either way.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a Nadal guy...

But maybe we can can agree on Djokovic taking a chill pill for a while…

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

We can indeed.

He’s a front-runner if I’ve ever seen one. Gets down in a match and just whines and pouts and exaggerates injuries.

Nothing for respect for Nadal, by the way. Great competitor and a fellow lefty. We lefties need to stick together.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 19, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

My wife is a big RF fan too.

We were meant to go down to the Oz OPen this year for a week or so…but being 38 weeks pregnant kinda stifles travel plans…much to my wife’s disgust!

Don’t worry about Stosur. Aussie women (and the men too!) are destined to play crap at their home Open. She’s much more likely to sneak up and win Wimbledon or the French while nobody notices ;)

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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 19, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Say what Rafiki said to Simba(My son watched this movie constantly thus my ability to quote it)

“It is time”

Time to do something….. Like trade Bogut before he turns into the Corpse formerly known as Andrew Bogut
Or fire Skiles
Or start Sanders, leuer, harris, Hobson and Livingston
Buy out Drew Gooden
But FFS do something

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I kind of wish you had gone with Mufasa's line to Simba.

“Everything the light touches is our kingdom.”

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I shall continue my calm...

Abject failure shall not distress me. If it did, the devil (who works for David Stern) would win. I shall float like a butterfly while my favorite NBA franchise stings me with bees and sons of bees.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

1. “Mufasa” isn’t a swear word? Imagine that.

2. CB: it certainly does feel like it’s time to do something. However, experience suggest that the crafty Bucks management seizes moments like this to confound the opposition by doing nothing.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

What movie was this quote from?

(and I really can’t remember)

“That’s just what they’re expecting us to do”

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

No idea...

But if you told me it was a Monty Python one, I wouldn’t argue.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually Google tells me it was from Airplane!

Kramer(Lloyd Bridges)when asked if they should turn the tower searchlights on

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

FWIW...

The Bucks have typically done very little dealing during the season. With the exception of the Salmons deal (which was a win-now move), they’ve generally done all their re-tooling during the summer (usually on draft day or the first day of free agency). That’s reflective of the front office’s confidence in the rosters they’ve put together—call it patience or undue stubbornness, it’s your call :)

I don’t think the Bucks view an early season tear-down as a realistic option; they might not feel they can afford to do it. Challenge is that the early schedule was always going to be a bear, but can they keep things together long enough to hit their stride when the load lightens in February?

by Frank Madden on Jan 18, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Part of it is frustration on my part I guess

But there has got to be some realization that this team is severly lacking at two positions for sure. I am not asking for a tank per se but just to do something that shows that they are not happy with what is happening on the floor. Why not start the second unit? can we lose worse?

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

"can they keep things together long enough to hit their stride when the load lightens in February?""can they keep things together long enough to hit their stride when the load lightens in February?

Sounds like a recipe for finishing at or slightly under 500, not making the playoffs, getting a Camp Swampy draft pick.

The good people at RealGM will go hyper-ballistic if that happens. I might be a danger (or an embarrassment) to myself or others.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn’t get editing as a Christmas gift this year, so you’ll just have to put up with the stupid redundancy.

I should use a smily face here so you’ll know that I’m joking (and butterfly floating).

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I never went to Camp Swampy

What’s it like?

You an embarrassment, c’mon cuk, never.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Camp Swampy

…was the on-the-far-edge-of-nowhere assignment for General Halftrack in the Beetle Bailey cartoon strip on Sundays.

It’s not at all nice that you require me to flash my age.

Finally, if I’m not an embarrassment to myself then I’m not pushing the envelope.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I am likely not much younger than you

Just missed the 50s but was close

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I went to Fort Leonard Wood

…for basic training. I’d guesstimate that it was Camp Swampy Light.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Plenty of good articles promoted at a lot of team sites on the subject within the network.

Also, The Verge, the tech-style blog network associated with SB Nation (both are a part of Vox Media), has done some great stuff on the subject for months.

So I suppose the answer is yes.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

And you'veg got another nation

Behind you on this one

http://www.mediacastermagazine.com/news/canadians-join-internet-strike-against-sopa/1000827586/

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The worst part about the Bucks standing pat....

Is that they’ll probably win enough games to take themselves out of the top 5 in the lottery [barring a total meltdown]

There’s a handful of teams that are actually worse than the Bucks…

Grrrrrrrr!

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

Yes

Playing the hand they’ve dealt themselves will likely lock up another season of airtight mediocrity. Let’s all praise consistency!

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 11:08 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

NBA Hell :(

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Next 6 games are going to be very hard to win maybe outside of the Knicks game and maybe the Hawks at home...

With any luck we go 0-6 and are 4-15 or go 6-0 and are 10-9 so we can establish if we are competing or rebuilding… but knowing the Bucks we will go 3-3 with one huge win to give us a false sense of confidence to go along with our 7-12 record

I went through the schedule and optimistically the best we could finish the remainder of this season is 30-23(imo obviously) which would give us a 34-32 record and probably be enough to make the 8th seed… So if we are going to do that we better get it together soon…

by Superelkman on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

Upcoming schedule

@Knicks
@Miami
Atlanta
@Houston
@Chicago
Lakers

Knicks, Atlanta, Houston are winnable…

The Lakers or Chicago I could see if we catch them on an off night…

Miami, well… lets hope they sit out a bunch of dudes due to injury

by Superelkman on Jan 18, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

It's one thing to get out-played, it's another to get out-hustled....

Last nite the Bucks showed little-to-no heart.

and BJ’s big “comeback” in the 4th qtr was merely garbage time and stat-padding.

Also, just saw Milw hast the 3rd worst attendence in the NBA, behind only Houston and Detroit.

It seems the players AND the fans just don’t really care…

If the Bucks stumble badly in the next 6 games, I don’t see how Hammond CAN’T shake things up. [but who knows what that’ll entail]

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 11:57 AM CST reply actions  

It's like they hadn't played against a running team before

Amazing how many times guys just didn’t seem to grasp the possibility of the Nuggets running off a turnover or even a made basket. C’mon guys, you just played the Nuggets a couple weeks ago…

by Frank Madden on Jan 18, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Intentional or not, there's innocent deception in what you say

It’s hiding in the friendly, casual phrase “C’mon guys”.

Those are words one would use with a well-intentioned, good-natured group of guys who simple need to have something simple pointed out to them. And then it’ll be all better.

Sure, “C’mon guys” helps to say something critical without sounding like a hater, without sounding wound too tight. But I think our group, for some reason, isn’t C’mon-ing anywhere…

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

You may not see how they can avoid acting...

But Bucks management has special Blight Vision eyewear.

It allows them to see themselves, with incredible acuity, doing nothing in literally any situation. Very expensive hardware, but think of the money it saves in codifying inaction.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Victor I know you can't stand BJ but...
and BJ’s big "comeback" in the 4th qtr was merely garbage time and stat-padding

Do you think that maybe he hates to lose and was trying to do what he could to help get the team back in the game? Do you think he walked into the Dressing Room thinking, that was okay I got 30?

Don’t let your personal opinion of a player cloud your judgement.

If BJ was the Bucks biggest problem we would be golden. It’s not that I like him that much I just think your dislike of him makes whatever he does bad in your opinion. He is shooting 45%…….nuff said

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I was merely referring/disagreeing with Alex implying that BJ almost brought the Bucks back in this game

When the truth is he didn’t do much when it mattered IMO [the first 3 qtrs]

Lawson and Miller had their way with him and the Bucks all night.

BJ put up good numbers and I’ll be the first to give him kudos on his improved FG%, but the truth is, the game was over by the start of the 4th qtr, and that’s when BJ got "hot.

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

At least he put forth an effort though and didn't give up

I’m not sure you could say the same for everyone

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

And for the record, I'm not the only one that saw it that way... ; )


Meh. Jennings didn’t help much until the game was gone. Scored about 15 in the garbage time to get the game back into single digits for a bit, but that’s all. Nothing special when it mattered

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by Steve von Horn

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 12:25 PM CST reply actions  

Steve has the same opinion of BJ as you do

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I've actually been working on something about Jennings recently that is producing some interesting stuff.

Should be ready either tonight or tomorrow.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyway I'm just saying that

I’m a lot more worried about Bogut and Jackson’s contributions than I am over BJs.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

The Jax experiment is looking pretty sour up to this point – I understand acquiring him had more to do w/ booting Salmons and Maggette, but it don’t look good…

And isn’t Bogut notoriously bad on the 2nd nite of back-to-backs?

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Especially when he is rusty early in the season.

Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 18, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that a valid excuse

It’s ok for Bogut to have a bad game because he is known to have poor games on the back end of two games in a row. I’ll try that on my boss, “I suck on Fridays so is it ok if I mail it in?”

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 19, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I too said I didn’t pay attention to the late come back, because I didn’t think it material.

At the same time, it IMO showed Jennings spunk. And if it took Denver slipping into we’ve-won-this-game defensive looseness for Jennings to manifest, well, that’s the way it goes.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I think if we're feeling cynical about a disappointing loss...

Then the last place we should start is with Jennings’ fourth quarter. We don’t have to celebrate its greatness, but it was more of a positive than anything else in this game, save for perhaps Harris’ contributions and the spunk that Ilyasova showed.

Bogut was a complete zero on the offensive end, Jax didn’t do anything on either end. Perimeter defenders allowed themselves to be drive-and-kicked to death. Transition defense MIA.

by Frank Madden on Jan 18, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

That's why I say it's time to "Stir It Up" as Bob Marley once said

Start Tobias, Sanders and Leuer up front, Livingston and BJ in the backcourt and see what happens. Maybe some players will take a look in the mirror but it can’t make things worse.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Return of LRMAM and Dunleavy should help stir things up a bit anyways, but I get it.

Sanders doesn’t merit minutes to me, but otherwise I’m on board.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok but if Sanders isn't going to play do something with him

I’d like to see Skiles make Jax inactive for the next game, that to me would send a message.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm worried he will start to undermine the operation.

Can’t send him home either, otherwise the players union will file a grievance, so you’d have to let him travel with the team.

I know I’ve mentioned it a few times now, but I think he’s just bad at basketball. Can’t really fire him up by sitting him if he isn’t good.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

As for Sanders, he's still eligible from the D league. I'd love to see if he could distinguish himself in any way there.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

You can get him to stop drawing Ts...

The technical fouls are totally unacceptable, IMO. And the fact that he doesn’t get talked to afterwards, and returns to a bunch of fist bumps is even worse. It sends a terrible message to him and the rest of the team… and is probably an indicator of the lack of authority and accountability on this team.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 18, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe it's not so much him but the rest of the team

That would get the message

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

And maybe that will happen

(It should) when Luc is 100% fit

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

how can anybody

player, sportswriter, coach, anybody

how can they undermine our operation? If we’re at rock bottom, the rock is really hard to tunnel into.

I’ve been slightly encouraged by Sanders recently.

The way I figure it, some crafty opponents try to get into your head. Won’t work with Sanders. Some opponents anticipate what you want to do, and stilfe it. Sanders doesn’t know what he’s going to do. He’s the Bucks best defense against opponent intelligence.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Is that like

I won’t fall for that I’m too stupid to know what you are supposed to be faking that you are doing?

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

my biggest hangup with Sanders

was the Bad Hands

they seem slightly improved lately

perhaps he’s figured out that if he’s in the game, rather than on the bench, he’s more likely to receive a pass – and thus is more likely to expect it

if I’m being cruel, please let me rescind 65% of the cruelty – leave just enough to make the point

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Sanders

Seems like he’s replaced blocking shots with taking hard fouls. Spending too much time with Gooden?

by Frank Madden on Jan 18, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve been noticing the hard fouls (though I didn’t think they looked particularly decisive). And I’ve been missing, without thinking about it, the blocks.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

On Jennings

He was by far the best player for the Bucks last night. Unless you want to exclude quarters in which he played well or in which the Bucks played well.

If he scores 12 in the first six and a half minutes instead of the last six and a half minutes, he still scores those 12 and the team loses by the same margin.

by Alex Boeder on Jan 18, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

And TBH

He’s been the Bucks best player this year. Not saying a lot but he’s had more good than bad and no other player can make that claim.(Leuer maybe but in more limited action)

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

But context and game situation matter, right?

Because then the second statement isn’t necessarily true.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok Steve

If you had to pick the Bucks MVP now it would be……….

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Drum Roll please

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Opps, I beat the drum roll

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably Jennings, but that's just damning with faint praise

and a small indictment to Bogut’s start to the year.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't want to cop out, but this would have been my answer

Or that 4-9 teams don’t have MVPs, they have serious problems with their core

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Ted Davis

Poor guy.

He’s one of the best in the biz, and he has to broadcast the Bucks…

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying

I have stated that I am not a Jennings supporter per se, I just feel that sometimes he gets bashed no matter what. He doesn’t score and he sucks and can’t shoot, he does score it’s when it didn’t matter. The guy is taking his share of blame and I think others like Bogut seem to “get a pass”more than BJ. Right now if I had a choice to build around Bogut or BJ I would pick BJ.(please note the right now)

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just scared the Bucks say him a lot of money and make him part of their next core.

It has always struck me as folly. But the decision isn’t too far off now.

Basketball is always a sport where with 5 guys on the court you can easily tell if you have something special….it stands out and makes a difference. I understand my approach to getting on Jennings has taken many paths, but it always ends up in the same place…he doesn’t make enough of a difference.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

say him = pay him

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

You could have said the same about T-mac

First 2 plus years in TO were underwhelming to say the least…then you could see what he was becoming. My reasons for liking him on the Bucks go beyond what happens on the floor though, I think he has the personality that Milwaukee needs, year one we saw a lot of that, not so much last year. I just remember him getting in Garnett’s face and when he went got cocky in front of the Cavs bench and Lebron. And if he can shoot 45% so much the better

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I've said enough, probably (yet I've got a big piece on him in the works as I type this), so let me flip it.

What do you think of Jennings on the court?

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely terrible at passing.

Or maybe the bad passes are just so bad that they skew my perception. I think the whole team sucks at passing, actually. It looks like they try to be too fancy. Namely Jax and BJ- failed alley-oops and no-look passes seem like the cause of 50% of the turnovers.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 18, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

this has been said but needs to be restated because it is true....

it is hard to be a good passer when you don’t have a single good finisher on the team…

i generally agree that he is an average to slighty above average passer though… what hurts him more is that he doesn’t consistently break people down off the dribble which creates rotations and thus passing lanes…

by Superelkman on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he is a pretty good player

Who is likely the best option on this team to build around as he seems to be improving his shooting considerably this year. He does have flaws for sure but he is a guy that can drop 30 on any given night and on a team void of scorers, that is certainly a plus.
Was thinking if we traded PGs with Minny who would be better off? I would contend neither team would be as Minny has scorers and need a facilitator, we don’t have scorers so there’s not much to facilitate.

Just my opinion.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 19, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll have a more substantive rebuttal up soon.

But I know we just generally disagree on him as a player. No biggie.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's a pre-rebuttal to your rebuttal

If Jennings was a 2 guard what would you think of his stats(advanced) so far this season? They compare closely to Michael Redd’s heydey with the Bucks, some drops in certain areas, gains in others. Granted Redd did it for 6-7 years in a row and brandon hasn’t had the opportunity to do that yet. Does it really matter if he’s a “true” PG? The Bucks of the late 70s and early 80s had success despite not always having a true PG(Dunleavy Sr. for 1). No he’s not a franchise player but again if iIwas given a choice right now to pick either Bogut or Jennings, my choice would be BJ.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 19, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't we just have Jennings D on the opposing PG

and then run him like a 2 with a duel PG set? Like… Livingston could guard a lot o SG’s.

by kanyon on Jan 19, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said, Steve

And your PG especially has to make a difference, since he’s the one really running the show [at least on most teams]

I’d actually be surprised if he signed an extension w/ Milw….

I know he says he likes it here, blah blah blah – but I think he yearns for the bright lights of a major market. He might feel he’s in the same class as some of the other players who dictate where they’re going to play.

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear ya, CB.

He is a polarizing player, no doubt.

For me, a lot of it goes back to before he even played pro ball…

The Rubio slamming, the draft night situation [is he in the building? Oh, only of he’s a lottery pick] and wasn’t there some fishiness with going to Arizona or Europe deal?

He also just has kind of an undeserved sense of entitlement, IMO.

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see that stuff as particularly relevant anymore

Calling out Rubio because he refused to work out against any of the other PGs isn’t a big deal IMO…he’s 19, he’s competitive…who cares? He backtracked like a day later anyway. I don’t think it says that much about him that he (or his agent) was worried about being the last guy picked in the green room.

I think if you view Brandon objectively in the grand scheme of professional athletes and what he’s been like since coming to Milwaukee then you’d say he’s a pretty good kid. Doesn’t get into trouble. Confident, brash at times, will occasionally push buttons and show flashes of immaturity. Probably doesn’t have the self-awareness about his game that people would hope for—ie, talks a lot about being more of a pure PG, but never shows it on the court. My guess is that the latter is what bothers the “haters” (wink) most.

by Frank Madden on Jan 18, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

On the side of optimism

I don’t think any of our men (Gooden included) have been as bad as that cruise ship captain from Italy who so maneuvered his huge ship to tear a gaping hole in its side that would have sunk it except that he was so close to land (and rocks) that it just tipped on its side. Then he went to a lifeboat, while 4000 passengers were taken off in a confused mess. And he over and over refused orders from the cruise corporation to get out of the damn lifeboat and act like a captain with guests and crew to see taken to safety. He even invented the absurd lie that the cruise ship had sank, so he COULDN’T go back on board.

Our players, even our GM and our Coach and our Owner, have NOT been that bad. Praise be!

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Fans might soon

Just wondering:

1. Would Wes Matthews be any kind of draw in Milwaukee?
2. Does anyone think the Blazers would part with him as a part of a package to get Bogut?

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt Wes Matthews would be a real draw for Milw... I like him, though

But I’d think Portland would trade almost anyone except Aldridge & Wallace to get Bogut…. that would be a wicked front court.

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't know how far the marquette love would go

Not living in the area.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much all of Brandon’s teammates were very bad throughout the first three quarters.That Jennings had the gall to play so well after his teammates played so badly does not really diminish his accomplishments as far as I am concerned.

by Alex Boeder on Jan 18, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm glad for your counter balance

I have a very strict garbage time rule that I don’t think most other would agree with, so I understand I’m in the minority on this one.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

But it isn't like this performance by Jennings came right out of the blue either

He’s been a bright spot this year as far as I am concerned. Yes, he could be a better passer and get his assists up, but at least he’s shooting well, improving at both the rim and from 10-5 feet. I don’t expect him to be a star and perhaps that just speaks to my low expectations of the Bucks but it’s at least good to see some improvement from a young player for once.

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 18, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree with calling it "garbage time"

When Jennings went on his late run, the game might have seemed effectively out of reach, but the Nuggets hadn’t declared victory or sent out the scrubs. Jennings did it against perhaps Denver’s best defensive lineup and and got the score close enough that that a couple stops and makes could’ve tied it. I don’t think Denver ever really backed off, and yet Jennings tore through them with relative ease.

The only thing that worried me is that Jennings’ run was partially fueled by a couple ridiculous layups that probably had no business going in. He got lucky, more or less. I’d feel better if what he did seemed more duplicable. But hell, points are points and makes are makes, and what he did was, IMO, well worth the praise.

by Dan Sinclair on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I also disagree with it being garbage time

to be only 9 points down with almost 3 mins on the clock, the team should always believe they are in with a chance. I don’t think that this team had that belief other than Jennings, and I can’t begin to fathom why the coach wouldn’t have that belief.

by AussieTom on Jan 19, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Any contending teams that have a pick from a lottery team, via trade or whatever?

The Jax acquisition could very well blow up in JH’s face.

I’d think he’d be happy going to a PO team – and I’d think Skiles would be happy to get rid of him, at this point.

I know it’s way early, but it may be best to cut your losses, and get what you can for him…

Think Memphis would trade Mayo straight up? ; )

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

Bulls own Charlottes

Mike doing a favour to his old team I guess, don’t think the Bulls want/need Jax.

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by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Really? Do you know if it's unprotected?

If so, that really sucks for the rest of the NBA….

Imagine them getting a top 5 pick. Grrrrrrrrr…..

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

According to nbadraft.net, it's top 14 protected

But Houston and the Jazz have additional picks from the Knicks and GS that are only semi-protected [top 7 & 8, i think]

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Jazz won't trade theirs IMO

Rockets might….but I don’t see anyone wanting Jax(Knicks maybe)unless someone goes down.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the 2nd year on Jax's contract kills any trade possiblities unless

The Bucks would take someone back will an equally bad deal. Looking at their salary situation I can’t see any combination of players that would makes sense for Houston to give up for Jackson, unless they wanted to get rid of 4 years of Scola.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I am pretty sure it is

Might have been in exchange for Tyrus Thomas not sure but I’ll check.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

weird. It only posted the subject line.

Anyhoo…. I was saying maybe we can deal Jax to a PO team for a bag of magic beans or something.

This situation could blow up in Hammonds face…

by victor s on Jan 18, 2012 1:02 PM CST reply actions  

Shall I assume

That we aren’t interested in discussing his extension request…

by Bucksnorge on Jan 18, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

HA HA HA HA HA

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Not if it's McDonald's

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Makes you wonder

Why was it so important to sign Darrington Hobson? Could we not have used that spot for a back-up 5? Were other teams banging on hobson’s door offering him outrageous contracts? Do we need another wing who is a less than average(IMO) shooter? Not to trash him but I don’t see what the rush was to sign him.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

Well,

Considering how we’ve preformed, would signing a backup 5 make a difference? Maybe a game or two, but nothing that would break things open. We’re still caught between wanting to rebuild and wanting to win now. The problem is that it’s a race against time until the Bucks leave Milwaukee, and they still haven’t entirely figured out which direction to run in yet.

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 18, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

We are the world

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Rebuilding...

Did Seattle a lot of good!

At least they got one year of Kevin Durant, right?

by kanyon on Jan 19, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

You have a better suggestion?

The Bucks ceratinly are no longer in “win now” mode, because they’re bad. Really bad.

Maybe more of a re-tooling than a full re-build would turn things around, but I doubt it….

by victor s on Jan 19, 2012 7:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Not really.

I don’t. Just saying that nothing’s a certainty.

by kanyon on Jan 19, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm guessing

the Bucks are paying for their “cleverness” in keeping him around without counting him on the roster – keeping a promise, to somebody.

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 4:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

You need to follow Frank/BrewHoop on Twitter :)

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Frank's tweet inspired my post

I understand the need to send him to D-League, just wonder if they should have signed him, but that’s the cynical me talking

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

not an easy role for Kohl

by unklchuk on Jan 18, 2012 4:31 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Good rhyme

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 18, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that due to the great Allen trade?

Question is What is the worst Bucks trade of all time? for 500 Alex

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 18, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

basket-reference.com

Keith Van Horn

“February 15, 2004: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the New York Knicks to the Milwaukee Bucks; the Atlanta Hawks traded Nazr Mohammed to the New York Knicks; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Joel Przybilla to the Atlanta Hawks; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Tim Thomas to the New York Knicks; and the New York Knicks traded Michael Doleac and a 2005 2nd round draft pick (Ronny Turiaf) to the Atlanta Hawks.”

by kanyon on Jan 19, 2012 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I meant the next year...

They dumped Van Horn in ‘05 to Dallas for Calvin Booth and Alan Henderson in order to have more money to re-sign Redd. They had Bird rights on Redd so it wasn’t a cap thing, but KVH was owed $15.7 million the following year and IIRC they somewhat understandably didn’t want to pay both KVH and Redd superstar money (we all know how it worked out…).

by Frank Madden on Jan 19, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Either that, or the world moves on and forgets about our team, our forum, and ourselves.

Since I long ago got to “know” Herb Kohl, I’ve had this nagging suspicion that his Big Bucks Project would go on for decades but end in nothingness. Can’t argue, Frank, if you say that’s what nuclear apocalypse produces. Nothingness.

In my version, though, the Bucks are more likely to leave the “stage” with a whimper – not a bang.




Can’t speak for anyone else, but it made me a tad sad to write that. Maybe some hot, fresh coffee will help.

by unklchuk on Jan 19, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

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