Bucks vs. Knicks Preview: Bucks Look To Snap Road Streak At MSG
by Frank Madden on Jan 19, 2012 11:33 PM CST
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| 2011/2012 NBA Season | ||
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| 6-8 (3-4 home) | 4-9 (0-8 road) | |
| January 20, 2012 | ||
| Madison Square Garden |
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| 6:30 PM CT | ||
| Radio: 620 WTMJ TV: FSN Wisconsin |
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| Probable starters: | ||
| Iman Shumpert | PG |
Brandon Jennings |
| Landry Fields | SG | Carlos Delfino |
| Carmelo Anthony | SF | Shaun Livingston |
| Amare Stoudemire | PF | Jon Leuer |
| Tyson Chandler | C | Andrew Bogut |
| 99.5 (23rd) - OFFENSE - 99.5 (24th) | ||
| 101.0 (11th) - DEFENSE - 104.1 (21st) | ||
| 93.9 (3rd) - PACE - 92.3 (12th) | ||
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The Bucks hope to win their first road game of the season--for the ninth time, unfortunately--when they visit Madison Square Garden and the struggling Knicks on Friday night.
Update: Stephen Jackson has been suspended for tonight's game after reportedly missing the bus to the shootaround this morning, per Charles Gardner of JS Online. Mike Dunleavy is now also expected to make an earlier-than-expected return from the groin injury which has sidelined him for the last three weeks.
Struggling Knicks, struggling Bucks. Ah yes, the something's gotta give! game. While we're all well aware of the Bucks' unfortunate road consistency, the struggles of the star-powered Knicks are naturally attracting more attention. The particulars: New York has dropped four straight, they're under .500 since Carmelo Anthony arrived, and Amare Stoudemire has looked nothing like the dominant offensive force we saw a year ago in Gotham.
Anthony is still putting up big numbers, but Bradford Doolittle writes that the Knicks have struggled to score without a true point guard helming the offense. Rookie Iman Shumpert (starting but more of a SG), Toney Douglas, and Mike Bibby have struggled setting up Stoudemire in P&R, leading the Knicks to increasingly rely on thus-far-ineffective isolation sets.
Brandon Jennings averaged 20.5 ppg, 6.0 rpg and 5.3 apg as the Bucks won three of four meetings between the teams last season, and the Bucks have won five of their last six at MSG, the only loss coming last year in Anthony's New York debut. However, it's hardly been smooth sailing for Melo and the Knicks since then, as New York has lost 22 games and won just 19 since Anthony's debut win. To make matters worse, Denver has cruised to a terrific 28-12 mark in the same span, and the pressure will no doubt be on Anthony when the two teams face off in New York on Saturday night.
Injuries. The continued absence of Baron Davis (herniated disk) has forced athletic combo guard Iman Shumpert into the Knicks' starting lineup, though Anthony is expected to play tonight despite a family issue that caused him to leave the locker room without speaking to reporters after Wednesday's loss.
The news is better for the Bucks, who are still missing Mike Dunleavy but will have Luc Mbah a Moute available for what would be just his second game of the season. Mbah a Moute was also available on Tuesday, but Skiles opted against playing him due to a lack of practice time.
The D in D'Antoni. The Knicks are losing and it's in spite of their defense? Strange, but true. Zach Lowe at SI details the curious reversal for Mike D'Antoni's team:
They are improvising like mad, changing their basic principles on a night-to-night and sometimes quarter-to-quarter basis, but it's working. New York is 10th in points allowed per possession, a monster improvement from 23rd last season. They rank second in defensive rebounding rate after finishing 26th last season. Tyson Chandler has a lot to do with that, but New York is getting nice work on the boards from Amar'e Stoudemire (by his standards), Anthony (always a good rebounder), Landry Fields, Iman Shumpert and others.
You can tell almost the inverse story with the Bucks, who have seen the formidable defense of the past two seasons regularly torn apart so far this season. Milwaukee ranks in the league's bottom third in eFG% allowed (21st), defensive rebounding (23rd), and free throw rate allowed (26th), more than offsetting good numbers in turnovers forced (7th). Charles Gardner writes that Scott Skiles has been particularly displeased with the Bucks' defense at the point of the attack, which won't surprise anyone who saw the Bucks' performance against Denver. The Nuggets' guards easily drove past Bucks defenders much of the night, forcing help that left open shooters time and again.
"What we challenge our guys to do from the first day of camp is guard your guy for three dribbles. If you can do that, we'll get the help there.
"You can't be expected to guard some of these guys when they have such dribble moves. But we're just getting blown right by, not even one (dribble), just straight-line driving. It's something we have to address."
Running smart. The Bucks' loss to Denver offered a great example of how to run effectively: Denver leads the league in pace, but more importantly the Nuggets also lead the league in fast break points, points in the paint and points off turnovers. More often than not, Denver games are fast-paced because the Nuggets are the ones running and gunning--off turnovers, off rebounds, and as the Bucks saw, even off made baskets. Meanwhile, the Knicks have played at a fast pace but it hasn't translated into productivity. New York ranks just 23rd in offensive efficiency, and tellingly sits just 19th in fast break points per game (11.8, behind the 12th-ranked Bucks' 12.9) and 26th in points in the paint.
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we got trounced
by strong teams Philly and Denver. maybe I overreacted. if the Knicks whomp us, nope.
by unklchuk on Jan 20, 2012 1:45 AM CST via Android app reply actions
all streaks end
time for ours to too.
Some reputations surely on the line given the avid discussion on the boards in the past few days.
reputation?
wouldn’t mind having one of those. are they expensive to maintain? think I’ll shop for a refurb rep – on easy payments.
by unklchuk on Jan 20, 2012 7:10 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
probably the single most likely outcome
although IMHO a range of other outcomes are almost as likely.
The Knicks are trying to improve, but haven’t yet reached higher ground.
The Bucks are trying to get back on their feet, and wondering what higher ground looks like.
Anything could happen. I suppose that includes a rousing, well-played game like us vs Spurs, but that seems unlikely.
The worst decision the Knicks made...
…was amnestying Billups. They’ll be playing catch-up for years IMO.
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
He was on a one year deal anyway
That was the only way they could get Chandler so I undersand the reasoning.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Yeah, but NY are in win now mode and are really struggling offensively w/o a PG - especially Amare.
Chandler is a good get, but…
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 20, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure how to get this done
But if as it says on the right side of my pag that the Knicks need playmaking help, how about Udrih for Fields? I know that one for one it can’t be done but there must be a way. Anyone dislike that deal?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I talk about higher ground. You talk about Fields. They sound similar.
Admission: I don’t know who Fields is? Is he a personal life coach like Tony Robbins? Might help.
I also don’t know (in a different sense) if NY will think Udrih is a playmaker. I don’t. But their offense may require his skills while our offense exploits his weaknesses.
My Win Now trade might be Jennings and player(s) chosen from our middling horde to the West Coast, somewhere. Milsap and Harris (no great enthusiasm but would bolster Udrih and Livingston) to Milwaukee. And the 2 other teams divvy it up as they wish.
Trouble is, even if that trade made us better, this season may well still be focked. (I first used the actual spelling for that considered-an-obscenity, thinking Preview would censor it; it didn’t; so I wimped out and changed the spelling.)
THIS JUST INNNN:
You can substitute -Shaun Livingston-for Jackson has he has been ‘suspended’ for a game for missing the bus.
Yea, he missed the bus alright. So did this club when they picked him up thinking this was going to be any different. Lets look to trade this guy sooner then later….He clearly does not want to be part of this process>>>
I’m tryin real hard here to hang on as part of fandom, and this isn’t helping any.
I like Livingston
…more than I like the “process” he doesn’t want to be part of. Everything’s bad at the Bucks, from top down. For all I know, the showers probably alternate between hot & cold. I think Livingston is a better PG that our team lets him be. (How much better, I wonder.)
Why would he want to be here? Hell, if “everybody” is on the table for trade purposes, why not miss a bus and increase your odds of salvation?
NYC is a heck of an interesting place to miss a bus.
The FTD season planted a young tree
…that said Milwaukee was an interesting team to play on.
Last season and this season’s start have killed that tree. That tilts the landscape so that our uphill path has a steeper grade.
an underhanded underline
confused me.
Guess you’re talking about Jackson. Don’t get why Livingston was mentioned, but that’s OK. I don’t have to get everything.
Sorry to have go on about Livingston.
I say good
Let’s Eddy Curry him. Dunleavy is supposed to be back tonight…..Shaun can facilitate and I’m sure BJ can at least duplicate Jax’s road shooting numbers.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 20, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Even if you hate Stephen Jackson, last summer's trade was still a good deal.
By looking at a simple stat like efficiency, (I know, not a perfect stat), the average +/- of outgoing players in the deal (Salmons, Maggette, and Fredette) for this year is +6.85. The average for Jax, Udrih, Livingston, and Harris is +8.275.
Add to this the fact that the Bucks are saving about $7.5 million over four years, even if they pick up Livingston’s option, and I still think this particular deal was a good one. The deals that lead to this deal? Not so much.
by Brick's house on Jan 20, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
RealGM reports Dunleavy back tonight, and Moute available (he was last game but hadn’t practiced; presumably has by now) and as ks13and1 was apparently saying, Livingston is to start at SG.
Lose one; gain two. Sounds like one step forward. Sounds like likely a more interesting game.
Link to JS Online story
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/137763463.html
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 20, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Don’t read many of their stories now days. Trying to stay under the 20/month before they charge.
Anything salient?
Was the jackson suspension story
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Later tonight I need to start on either Power Rankings or Best Of Comments post.
Which one should I do first?
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Just combine them and make a Commentor Power Rankings.
by Brick's house on Jan 20, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
And one
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I have a different suggestion
Rank Comments
Is rank a verb or adjective there
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 20, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd have the most 'rank' comments if it is an adjective!
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 20, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
i had in mind; adjective
Like Merrian, or was it Webster? said:
shockingly conspicuous <must lecture him on his rank disloyalty — David Walden>
outright —used as an intensive .
archaic : lustful …
Though archaic sounds interesting.
Read "Ode to a Haggis"
Robbie Burns Day is next week, I’m sure Burns throws a few ranks in there somewhere.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
So far, Jackson has confirmed my initial apprehensions
He talks out of impotence and not of authority. And he talks a lot, by the way, and in situations it would be wise to stay with your mouth closed.
Same thing in court: he plays misadjusted to reality. He’s not the good player he thinks he is and a good scoring game here and there does not compensate his lack of contribution to team’s general playing volume.
I believe with its many problems, this team is better without him. And who knows. If Bogut finally improves his offensive game and keeps healthy and BJ keeps alive the promise of a better 2012, maybe this group of players can still achieve something.
Feels like Skiles is being a bit too tough on Jackson
I could see fining him, but I don’t know what suspending him is going to do other then cause resentment, especially if it’s only his first time doing this.
I don’t know, it seems like you’d want to be more careful with doling out punishments in the pros where egos are more rampant and unpredictable.
It appears that much of Skiles authority has its source in fairness
If he treats players differently he may lose his command. But if I had to guess, I believe he punished Jackson this way in order to solve quickly things with him: play my way or don’t play at all. The current team’s performance wouldn’t stand an extended and unresolved dispute.
by palomba on Jan 20, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Usually those things are team rules
Miss practice and you can’t play…maybe some guys get leeway, I don’t know. But I don’t think a one-game suspension is that uncommon for something like this.
by Frank Madden on Jan 20, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
I think it shows that Skiles has stones
And that rules are rules.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Yes, and I do think more harm would come from not enforcing the rule.
The old inmates vs. the asylum thing…
by Frank Madden on Jan 20, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe you're right , but it feels there's something more than an automatic suspension
Not so sure, for example, if the rules specify only one kind of punishment. As Jacob points out, maybe it was possible for Skiles to fine him and let him play. Or set him aside for this game but make some soft declaration to the press, I’ve just watched what he said in the NBA home page and he mande no excuses.
Maybe Skiles needs to make up the S-Jax rule...
…more than 4 TO in a game – suspension 1 game, shoot less than .400 – suspension 1 game, take more than 3 3PT shots and not hit one – suspension 1 game, be a selfish, inconsiderate bastard of a teammate – suspension 1 game…phew! He’d never play!
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 20, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I believe unique people deserve unique treatment
Well, actually I believe everybody deserves unique treatment – systems (like NBA teams – should adjust as much as possible to individuals. Rather than all the individuals having to act alike. Unfortunately, humans beings at their present level of development aren’t smart enough to make systems that do that.
So if Skiles and Jackson explode and disintegrate over a missed bus or two, or an odd comment or three, or Jackson having great things to do in NYC, I will think that’s foolish.
If they are going to find it impossible to work together, let it be for big, basketball-related reasons.
I think it depends on what we're talking about
Best to have the “order of law” issues apply equally to all, if for no other reason that it should be fairly simple and helps minimize divisions among the haves and have-nots..
When it comes to playing time, leadership, etc then I agree there’s no one size fits all.
by Frank Madden on Jan 20, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
I believe what Skiles and Jackson are discussing about is Jackson's role
Here are my subtext dialogue lines.
-I’m very important to this team for you to leave me sitting down for a whole game´s half. In fact, I’m the Buck’s true star: design more plays for me and I will continue to look after Jennings improvment.
-That’s Bogut, not you. He will be our man again preety soon. In the meantime, just do what I tell you: play like Salmons did a couple of seasons ago, and I’ll put you more minutes than Delfino.
Like to be a fly on the wall for that discussion. Your suppositions (right word?) put some meat on the bones.
Multiple times, I’ve suggested that Jennings needs an on-court mentor. And that Jackson, when his moon is full, was that mentor. My doubts are whether Jackson is eager to be that mentor. And whether Jackson is in control of his game.
I disagree with Skiles that Bogut will be the man. Big accomplishment if they pull it off. But I think Bogut needs an Alpha above him on the floor.
I agree with you
Bogut lacks something to be the leader of a team with some ambitions. But if the alternative is Jackson, I¨ll rather go with him than deal with Jackson´s fruitless vanity.
Gotta go out. I´ll read comments and recaps late at night.
Might be...
That you’re a bit of a company man (no disrespect). And I’m a bit of an anti-company man (no disrespect).
I believe a great coach treats players individually so they can contribute their “most” to the team. That means different strokes for different folks.
The star in A Beautiful Mind needed special handling, needed folks who could understand where he was coming from. Their are a large number of pretty-much invaluable software coders in Silicon Valley that are pretty much socially dysfunctional. And need employers and associates who can meet them halfway. Or more than halfway. When that’s accomplished, the profits are high.
The variance in basketball players isn’t as dramatic, but it surely exists. Some players just can’t fit themselves into the standard mold. Tyrant coaches get rid of them. Smart coaches adjust the “handling” to make it work.
There may be no real chance to make it work with Jackson. But I hold to my point that a total breakdown over small potatoes rule violations damages everyone in the situation. If it takes individual treatment to make him fit the team or have some value in the league, do it.
The star in A Beautiful Mind needed special handling, needed folks who could understand where he was coming from.
Stephen Jackson = a schizophrenic Nobel Prize winner? ;)
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 20, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
If it's just standard team rules then I'm fine with it.
My first thought when I heard that he was suspended for “missing the bus” was that it was a subjective decision.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 20, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Btw, this will be a fun little experiment tonight won't it?
Take away the high usage, low efficiency guy everybody complains about and add two very solid, unselfish role players that everyone likes. Bucks win by 30, obviously :)
Or Jennings goes 0-20
And Steve declares himself Imperial Ruler of BrewHoop.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
The Imperial Ruler is the right title
But I think he should go for something bigger than BrewHoop (although BrewHoop certainly is quite sizable and altogether meritorious).
What would the bigger be? Inspiration ain’t palpable in me right now. I’ll just toss out a starter. His blossomed ego can overreach as it will.
The Imperial Ruler of Consolidated Rank Hoopslandia …….. ?
by unklchuk on Jan 20, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No no no. I won't do that on a single game. Each game is it's own separate experience pretty much. Small enough sample for anything to happen.
You can flip a coin and get 20 heads in the row or 20 tails in a row. It happens.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
true they are mutually exclusive
Wouldn’t you gloat just a little though?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I would if I were Steve!
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 20, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Steve, you're talking rationality
…when we’re suggesting a rebellion of your Id. That the pressure of penning a controversial article leads to your going bonkers at the first chance. Your ego swelling like the air bag in your SUV when you hit that alien spaceship outside of Madison. You know, where they transported you into the craft, healed your broken bones, and filled you with Jennings doubts.
Logic (single game or otherwise) has no part in this.
by unklchuk on Jan 20, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Great analogy or what?
Your ego swelling like the air bag in your SUV when you hit that alien spaceship outside of Madison
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
If I can't play with my friends
I’m taking my ball and going home…(pouty face)
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Yes...and it counts.
Is Marv still calling the Knicks games does anyone know?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Actually liked Marv
“Monroe with the facial”
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Cue Mike Myers on SNL
Like buddah
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
New to the NBA lol?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
We need a "superstar" so we gets calls like that
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
It was weird
It seems like he could have dunked it but decided to hurl himself at the Bucks bodies instead.
by Frank Madden on Jan 20, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Kick in the nuts would be better
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
53, 57 and 61m
On 3 players over the next three seasons…amazing
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Bucks-Knicks highlights from last year reminded me
Gooden still needs to do his trademark backboard pass score thing this year.
Best Offensive rating on the team this year!
Followed by Leuer…
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 20, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Well he doesn’t get to play the Bucks anymore…
by Alex Boeder on Jan 20, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I could say
BJ=? But that would be too easy and it is a family site
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Don't worry, Drew Gooden is getting heavy minutes tonight
I know you were probably worried, Tom…
by Frank Madden on Jan 20, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Dunleavy looks good, doesn't he?
I just turned it on 5 minutes ago, and he made like 5 plays
Other than the usual and obvious
Is there anything wrong with Ilyasova?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I did qualify the question
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Jennings is sooooooooo gooooood.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 20, 2012 7:22 PM CST reply actions
Is there a hidden meaning behind this post?
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 20, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
No.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 20, 2012 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 20, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Another nice one there...
Better results.
by Frank Madden on Jan 20, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Gooden leading scorer atm
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
What's the good word?
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Been watching, but the 18mo didn't like the idea of me commenting until the second half
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, no joke
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
Bibby does blow
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I table a motion to bench Jax for the rest of the season
And start Livingston..all those in favour?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Booyah!
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Sure?
Unsure.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
He can lead from the bench
Wise words from a wise man. :)
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Even better if he's in a suit.
That’s beyond expectations.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Bogut's gotten some easy buckets, but those post isos still look horrible.
He got shut down by Josh Harrellson…Josh Harrellson
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Jennings does not lack confidence ...
That everyone must agree on.
He's had a nice half too.
Now as for Udrih…
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
I want to get the Knicks to take Udrih
And give us back anything.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I might need to apologize for suggesting Beno could help.
Giving him another week to get “healthy” but it’s coming close
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Almost everything Drew Gooden does is slightly off key.
Sometimes a note higher, sometimes a note lower, but always off key
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With inverse popularity
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
What is with this transition D
When did that get bad?
Jennings the secret layup machine?
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There's so much I could say right now
But I’ll refrain
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Well just give me a sneak preview
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Just kidding really
As you said anything can happen in one game
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
But he's only got 4 assists
What kind of a PG is that
Victor S.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Sorry it was a joke
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
You might say I'm in the pro-Jennings camp
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Quite enjoyed Steve's earlier analysis...
Clearly expressed with gusto.
But I am not at the point of pressing the big red shiny button yet… give him another year or so with a couple of guys who can shoot (ok that is not th only issue, but an important one).
Got a lot of time for Bogut and Jennings – venom to be expected tho with a 4-9 record.
C'mon, just press it :)
But seriously, I’d say the time is running out for this core. Goodwill certainly has. It’s scary to look forward, but it can’t be ignored with how the season has look/gone to-date
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Fair point!
As one of the aussie contingent on BH, the natural patriotism makes me wanna defend no. 6 but even I can see he has to start getting it into gear…this is getting even harder than usual to watch.
That said, I have faith in the big guy. Also, there jsut isnt a stream of guys who are actually big who have the skill set of bogut on even one side of the ball…I mean guys like Kurt Thomas and Brad Miller (and his 24/7 medical support staff) are playing seasons they would never have imagined as there really isnt much coming through. I would take Bogut, despite his current difficulties and tantalising potential to fill the barest position in the league than filling the middle with sundersized/3pt shooting stiffs or retreads from another era (Thomas was the man tho).
Jennings is another kettle of fish – league dominated by PGs…5 new good ones every year…time has to run out eventually…but man at least the guy can strut…goes a long way.
Is anyone else completely unimpressed by Iman Shumpert?
I’ve always felt that was a desperation hype guy because they need him to be good. Not doing much for me right now.
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Only recently looked at his stats and saw he was shooting below 40%
Made me wonder what all the fuss was about.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 20, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
If you read the newest post
The guy kind of says that doesn’t he?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
There are no off topic posts on Brewhoop
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 20, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Detroit has 30 at the half.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
A bad case of Bucksitis going around the league
Do they have a vaccination for that?
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 20, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Monroe wasn't being guarded by Bogut
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Oof.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Starters are 17-27
62.9%
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
And it has passed the eye test as well. Not a bad watch
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
Still it's the Knicks though
If you’re content with a couple seasons of 500ish and maybe 7th or 8th it’s ok but idk………..
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Still fairly entertaining to watch is what I mean.
I’m going to watch the Bucks anyways, might as well get a few watchable performances in when we can.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
And quick yanks too
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Bogut in faceup isos in the mid post are making my head hurt
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I'm wondering if it's going to be too late to deal him
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Who has the story on Jackson?
Did they say the Bucks’ fined him?
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 20, 2012 8:01 PM CST reply actions
I think so
Fined and suspended him for a game
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 20, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
I posted the JS Online story near the top of the comments
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
He is sooo bad at that.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 20, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
I F*CKING HATE THOSE ALLEY-OOPS!!!
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID THAT?
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 20, 2012 8:04 PM CST reply actions
Leuer in the Canine Cottage?
WTF is up with his PT?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
3 boards and a dime in 5 minutes.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Saving him to close.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 20, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Needs some music to go along with it
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Ha he's playing awesome.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 20, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Jennings the secret layup machine????
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We wish.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 20, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen
The face of your Milwaukee Bucks
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Wasn't there some talk last year
Of swapping BJ for Douglas, I seem to remember something like that but I may be wrong.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Dear Mike
Please retire
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Obviously read Steve's post
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
BJ 28 on 21 shots
Melo 20 on 19
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
They can't play interior D even playing straight up. I'm just sad at this Knicks outfit.
What a suckfest
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
And how can they improve
Next three eyars tight for cap space
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Someone needs to take back Tyson Chandler's defensive player of the year votes and give them to Bogut.
Take Chuck Hayes’ vote too, while they’re at it.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
Might not like him matching up against Amare
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't too hot starting the game in that matchup
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
Hadn’t really given that thought.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 20, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Short bench in the 2nd half?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Andrew Bogut rebound alert is going off somewhere.
Only 4 with a quarter to go.
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This is what worries me Steve
You know “The corpse formerly know as Brad Miller”
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Who else is feeling the elusive road W coming within reach?
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Yea, I will give the Knicks another look on a random night to make sure they don't suck
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
These fans are right though.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Drew Gooden has to be in the lead for nastiest double-double of the year now.
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Steve would you do the Horford for Bogut
If it was on the table…..
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Ehhhhhhhhh. Here's my opinion.
If Bogut would be placed on the market, I think trading in the immediate future would still be selling a bit low (that’s a hopeful statement he gets his post game a bit more in order). I would hope the Bucks would hold out on anything until the deadline for two reasons: (1) Bogut might increase his value, (2) he can’t really do much less on offense, so he won’t hurt his present value either.
It would be hard to give away Bogut, but he’d certainly have more value to a team that has figured out their offense than he currently has with the Bucks. He’s my favorite player, and the reason I’ve been happy to tune in during the recent years, but if it came in a true ground-up rebuild…maybe a three-way trade to flip Horford for a lotto pick or prospect…I’d have to pull the trigger.
I’d have my staff (or maybe someone with a better track record than the Bucks medical staff) take a very close look at that torn pec though. Horford is a jumpshooter and if he never quite gets is stroke back he becomes yet another dead weight player on offense. Not sure how torn pecs have turned out for jumpshooters, but worth looking into further first as a part of due diligence.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Atlanta got crushed on the boards tonight
51-32
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Wow, big break on no clear path. Not sure how that worked out
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Very close though
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yup. Time is the limiting factor here
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say only if it's garbage time
But that would be cheap
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Oh it is now, but the Bucks are taking out the trash tonight
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
It has been. Most watchable Bucks game this year, in my estimation.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
And now it's a W for sure.
Ice ice baby. If Jennings keeps up these 4th quarter splits in wins, damn…
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
You might change your opinion?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I'd want the 3/4ths of the game to be the better, but if the Bucks rip off like 15 of 20 games and Jennings is doing the same things in the splits to close games, I'd have to think hard
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
HUGE three by BJ
I think maybe the read he thread today …maybe …hehe
When do the Bucks play next? :)
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
More than a couple. His face ups have been face slappers
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Time out
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
This is still garbage time
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This is what garbage time looks like
Less defensive intensity
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
fat lady not singing just yet
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Think the Amare matchup
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
I was box score watching in the 1st half.
I thought I remembered seeing a good assist/ turnover ratio then, looks like it went to hell in the 2nd half.
Knicks have had the deficit under double-digits for 15 seconds in the 4th
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+1 to you good sir
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 20, 2012 8:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This has been a fun one!
Melo getting the business and acting like a child
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And he finished the trend
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
ahahaha
good times
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Wow bogut 4th on the team in boards tonight
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
He is just the worst.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 20, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Has Shaun Livingston earned the start until he really screws up?
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Yup
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Wow 36 and 5
Wonder if BJ will be one of the 3 Bucks…….
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I don't believe in single game told ya sos, but for those who do, this is the one to pick
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't do that to you Steve
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
One hell of a game though, seriously.
Made the Bucks fun to watch.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I think he read your piece.
Maybe someone in his posse monitors the blogs for bulletin board material. Jennings wasn’t taunting Anthony at the end of the game, if you read his lips, he was saying “Take that von Horn!”
by Brick's house on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
He held up the three sign with his hands to say he was in Three Bucks AND Three Good
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Again, Knicks had the deficit under double digits for 15 seconds in the 4th...
This was a spanking
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And Phoneix smoked boston
In the gahden..oh wait the Fleet Center
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
TD Gahden
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
I might tune in just for fun after seeing the trainwreck they call a team in action.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
jennings takes 26 shots
And doesn’t go to the line once?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Hey, ballin is ballin
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Just seems strange
i know they were playing on the road and all.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
He deserved that last one for the 4-point play. Otherwise, I dunno
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'm watching on yahoo so idk
Just wondering is all
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
No int'l league pass for this one?
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Remember Bosh
They don’t have the good cable in Canada, TBH I’m multi-tasking anyway and would rather just look at yahoo. When they play the raps and it’s on local TV i watch.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I would say
First road any win feels good
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Yes indeedy.
Needed this one with the upcoming slate
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
27-28-24-21
First consistent 4 quarters this year?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I'm having trouble telling how much of it was due to the Knicks and how much was Jax being out.
It’s the perfect storm perhaps
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Well lets do it again then
Shall we?(sit Jax I mean)
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
First time they managed to not lose a quarter this year
Tied in the 2nd
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
46.4%
Jennings FG% as of right now
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
He's still out there playing? He's gonna miss the flight!
I kid, I kid.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 20, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Now to beat team evil on Sunday
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