Bucks vs. Nuggets Preview: Milwaukee Kicks Off Road Trip Against Tired Nuggets
On the Nuggets: Denver Stiffs / Roundball Mining Co. / Denver Post / Nugg Love
The Milwaukee Bucks kick off their five-game, seven-night Western road trip in Denver against the Nuggets--but don't expect the Nuggets to feel much sympathy for the Bucks. While Scott Skiles' bunch is coming off two days of rest following their 102-81 home win over the Wizards, the Nuggets will be playing for the third time in as many nights and for the fifth time in six days.
Latest injury news: Via Jim Paschke, Mike Dunleavy is not expected to play due to illness.
No resting for Nuggets. The compressed schedule means that every NBA team will deal with a back-to-back-to-back at some point, and it's just the Bucks' luck that they get to catch the Nuggets coming off a back-to-back split with the Lakers on Saturday and Sunday. Both games went down to the wire, with L.A. squeaking out a 92-89 win in Los Angeles on Saturday and the Nuggets running away late for a 99-90 win in Denver yesterday. George Karl's bunch had been having some struggles late in games, but rectified things last night by scoring the final 11 points of the game. Karl used the same nine guys each of the past two nights, so you'd think he might look for some fresh legs tonight. Corey Brewer, DeMarre Carroll, Kosta Koufos, Kenneth Faried and Jordan Hamilton are all fully rested.
Ty Game. Danilo Gallinari made up for blowing a potential game-tying layup in Los Angeles on Saturday by scoring 20 on Sunday, but the real MVP for the Nuggets was once again third-year point guard Ty Lawson (17 pts on 11 shots, 10 ast, 2 to). Lawson had been terrific coming (mostly) off the bench in his first two seasons, and he's not disappointing as the clear-cut starter ahead of Andre Miller so far this season. While his assist rate had been down before last night, Lawson has been an exceptionally efficient scorer (18.6 ppg on 67% true shooting) and his ability to control tempo has been essential to the Nuggets' fast-paced attack.
Incredibly, Lawson was just the seventh point guard selected in the 2009 draft, with Tyreke Evans (if you count him as a PG), Jonny Flynn, Ricky Rubio, Stephen Curry, Brandon Jennings, and Jrue Holiday all hearing their name called ahead of him. And yet none of them can match Lawson's productivity so far this season, though Jennings comes closest thanks to the surprising efficiency he's shown as a scorer (22.7 ppg on 57.8% true shooting) through three games.
A new and improved Brandon? With 22 or more points in each of his first three games, Jennings has a chance to score 20+ points in four straight games for the first time his career--he's now done it in three straight on four separate occasions. While most Bucks fans began the season hoping for more "pure" point guard play from Jennings, the reality so far has been the exact opposite: Jennings is shooting more than ever so far (16.7 fga/game vs. 14.8 and 14.7 the last two seasons), but the difference is that he's actually making shots (46%) and getting to the line at a much better rate (6.7 fta/game compared to 3.9 last season), which has offset a below-average start from three point range (5/17).
The sample size is admittedly too small to draw any real conclusions, but it's promising stuff so long as you're OK with a scoring point guard. You won't hear me complaining--not when Jennings' TS% is close to 58% on a team lacking go-to scorers. That said, for some perspective it's also worth noting the very different start Jennings had last year: 15.0 ppg, 9.0 apg, and 5.0 rpg. Sample sizes are funny like that.
Pass first. Even with Jennings shooting and scoring more, the Bucks aren't suffering from a lack of ball movement or Iversonian ball-watching. Milwaukee is fifth in the league in assist percentage (63% of field goals) and second in assists per game (23.7), major factors in the Bucks' much-improved (though still very average) offense so far. Average never felt so good, eh?
While they've suffered third quarter lulls in each of their three games, the Bucks have also been more active off the ball and more unselfish with it in their hands, which makes sense when you consider that Scott Skiles has regularly paired point guards in the back court and at times even played Jennings, Beno Udrih and Shaun Livingston at the same time. More point guards = more passing, right? In fact, all of Livingston's 76 minutes have come with either or both Jennings and Udrih on the floor with him. Add to that willing passers such as Mike Dunleavy, Ersan Ilyasova, Carlos Delfino and Andrew Bogut, and it's no surprise that the Bucks have been more effective than they were a year ago with guys like John Salmons and Corey Maggette pounding the ball into oblivion. Now they just need to keep it up for more than a week.
DNP. Speaking after the Wizards victory, Skiles maintained that Drew Gooden's DNP-CD was simply a product of Jon Leuer deserving an extended look after his excellent performance against Minnesota. Perhaps, but that doesn't make it any less interesting to see Gooden glued to the pine in a game when a) Luc Mbah a Moute again missed out due to a sore knee and b) the Bucks still don't have a real backup center for Bogut. I'd be surprised if we didn't see more of Gooden against the Nuggets and Kings on Monday/Tuesday--if nothing else just to throw him a bone--but it's nice to see Skiles not feeling beholden to his most expensive PF. Or anyone else for that matter:
"Look, if we remain healthy, it's going to be challenging to maintain our chemistry," Skiles said. "I want guys who want to play. I don't want guys who are content to sit on the bench.
"It's going to be challenging to keep everybody in good spirits."
The same could also be said about Stephen Jackson, who scored just seven points on eight shots against the Wizards and watched the final 17 minutes from the bench. Last year Jackson played fewer than 24 minutes just three times, twice because he was ejected and once because of injury. This season it's already happened twice: against Charlotte due to foul trouble and against Washington because Skiles preferred Delfino, Dunleavy, Udrih and Livingston. The obvious follow-up questions are a) whether Jackson can get his game on track b) how Skiles deals with his minutes if he doesn't and c) how Jackson reacts if Skiles doesn't give him the minutes he's come to expect.
Jackson has been playing his way into shape following back and hamstring injuries, so the hope is that the combustible wingman works through his early struggles sooner rather than later. Realistically, we know Jackson isn't going to shoot 30% with a 4.34 PER all season; mean reversion will set in. But even "good" Stephen Jackson probably isn't deserving of 36 mpg when guys like Dunleavy, Delfino, Udrih and Livingston are on the bench. Much of it will probably come down to winning: if the Bucks are struggling, Skiles will have a much tougher time managing egos than if they're winning. Jackson has always maintained that he values winning above all else, and it wouldn't be a bad thing to put that to the test.
Luc returns? Mbah a Moute is likely to make his season debut against the team that signed him to a four year, $18.7 million offer sheet three weeks ago. Ilyasova will presumably start at PF for the fourth time in as many games following an excellent performance against Washington, though there's a good chance he starts off defending Nuggets' center Timofey Mozgov so that Andrew Bogut can take his chances defending Nene. The Brazilian regularly annihilates opponents in the post--just ask Larry Sanders, who swatted eight shots in Denver last year but was also torched down low by Nene to the tune of 24 points on nine shots.
Hobson stars. Darington Hobson was quiet in his D-League debut on Friday, scoring just two points in 16 minutes after arriving late the prior night. But apparently he just needed to get his feet wet, as he bounced back in a major way on Sunday with 22 points (6/10 fg, 1/4 threes, 9/10 ft), 5 rebs, 5 ast, 3 stl, and just 1 turnover in 37 minutes of a 104-103 win over the Canton Charge. Hobson's jumper with 21 seconds remaining provided the final margin of victory for Fort Wayne, which plays next on Tuesday night in Reno.
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Gooden glued to the pine
That’s true in the way you meant it. But found it a tad interesting that he was an active cheerleader for the team. Jumping up and rooting. Not sulking. His quote in your piece was also mature. Looks like (at least now) he might be an aid to good chemistry, not a sore spot.
While most Bucks fans began the season hoping for more “pure” point guard play from Jennings, the reality so far has been the exact opposite:
That’s true in the way you meant it. But found it a tad interesting that we’re getting better PG play this season — it’s just that much of it isn’t coming from our PG. Our active, sharing offense (not counting the funks) is finding teammates for better quality shots. Leaving Jennings (who I’d say is doing somewhat more finding of teammates himself) freer to be Jennings. Which so far is fine by me.
The obvious follow-up questions are a) whether Jackson can get his game on track b) how Skiles deals with his minutes if he doesn’t and c) how Jackson reacts if Skiles doesn’t give him the minutes he’s come to expect.
That’s true in the way you meant it. But found it a tad interesting that that will likely be a lurking story line all season. I’d guess that Jackson and Skiles will have good chemistry. If someone could record their conversations in Skiles office, in taverns, in jets, it might make a revealing mini-book on NBA hoops and on the two men.
I think we discussed that about Gooden before the game
Someone compared him to Blatche and I think I said something about Gooden benefiting from having a much better sense of his place in the world. I think he knows he’s disappointed so far as a Buck (albeit with some mitigating circumstances) and doesn’t expect preferential treatment the way others might in his situation. Clearly he worked to get in much better shape in the offseason. He says the right things. Seemed to be staying positive on the bench even when he wasn’t playing. All very anti-Blatche. Not sure how he’ll react if he struggles for minutes in the longer term, but ideally he’d earn minutes and make it a moot point.
I’m curious how consciously the Bucks adapted their personnel and strategy to fit Jennings’ style. Right now it’s playmaking by committee, which is fun to watch and should be a good thing even if you have a “pass first” PG. But it’s especially important when you have a PG who’s more dynamic as a scorer than playmaker.
by Frank Madden on Jan 2, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
You have a beautiful mind
…when you say stuff I agree with.
(Note to self: try again to watch that movie.)
Actually. as you suggest, there wasn’t much new in my post. I just wanted to point up the human interest and mind drama I see/imagine in Gooden & Skiles. If a gifted filmmaker was going to make a thoughtful (not conflict-based) documentary about the Bucks, he might focus there.
This could be
…the kind of game that (win or lose competitively) moves us a step closer to developing our potential. See equal chance for all outcomes, except us blowing them out. (That’s a challenge, Gods of Competition. Prove me wrong!)
Win or lose, I expect to see some zombie ball. One must, after all, be true to oneself — and we’re still part zombie. The question is, are we learning to contain it.
Can't ask for a better set of circumstances
No one would fault the Nuggets for being tired, and coming off a Laker win it would also be understandable for this to be a let-down game for them. But Nuggets are too good to beat just by showing up—Bucks have to play like the more rested team and bring the energy. Likely can’t suffer the kind of extended lulls we saw vs. Minny and Charlotte.
by Frank Madden on Jan 2, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Nuggets have been nothing short of horrid from 3 point range...
… the last 3 games. Mozgov looks lost, Arron Afflalo is out of shape. Al Harrington, of all people, has been arguably the best player behind Lawson. Rudy Fernandez kinda sucks so far. With tired legs, the Nuggets issues won’t be any better. Milwaukee has a golden opportunity for a road win.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
Altitude is one thing in their favor
I’d imagine three games in three nights is more exhausting than 48 hours or so at altitude, but that’s one thing working against Milwaukee. Thankfully the Bucks look to have entered this season in pretty good shape, so hopefully they’re fresh and ready to go.
Damn touch screen!
I am not hip, trust me. I hope Skiles uses the bench early and often to keep players from getting gassed in the altitude.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 1:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Curious to see if they slow down the pace at all
They love to run, so does that work against him with tired legs? Do they slow down a little given the circumstances?
Are they more athletic? Or just playing as if they are?
I’m not sure personnel-wise much has changed in terms of raw athleticism, but basketball isn’t the decathlon anyway.
Maggette is a good athlete, Salmons not so much. Jackson and Dunleavy both below-average in explosiveness but with good size. Dooling is more athletic than Beno, but the latter is a better finisher either way. Boykins is athletic but so small that it’s almost irrelevant, especially compared to someone like Livingston. I think Leuer’s athleticism is a bit underrated.
It's because of his...lighter complexion.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 2, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
We are all thinking it, so I might as well say it.
White Men Can’t Jump!
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Exceptions...
Brent Barry
Joe Alexander
Tom Chambers
Chris Anderson
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
With big guys I always look for the quick hops
Having a good max vert is nice, but context is important. Can a guy go up for a rebound, come down and bounce right back up to finish over guys? I know Leuer can get up there when he has room, but need to get a better sense of the former. Seems to move well. Will be curious to see if he can put it on the deck against NBA players—which is as much about skill as it is quickness.
And the best one
Rex Chapman. Was great in the Dunk Competition one year, either the year Walker or Dee Brown won IIRC
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Would you accept
Applied Athleticism?
The better 2010-11 athletes like Magrette weren’t central.
Dunleavy isn’t a great athlete but his high engagement makes the team more athletic.
You don’t claim much for Salmons – still I feel you underestimate the huge suck he put on our team athleticism by monopolising our offense. And losing a step on defense.
by unklchuk on Jan 2, 2012 3:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Right? He Leuers you into a false sense of security because he is kinda goofy looking and white...
but he tested out really well at the combine athletically if i remember correctly
kinda goofy looking and white
That phrase has good comedic rhythm. It lopes along and then stops short on the “white”
The thing that encourages me about Leuer is that in loose ball or “broken” situations, he does well. I expect him to stumble around like Sanders or Frankenstein, but he moves pretty well and shows quick hands.
Interesting observation.
Jennings rightfully received a lot of credit for finding Leuer on the “broken” play to put away Minnesota, but after watching the replay, Leuer was the only guy who was not drifting toward the perimeter as Jennings got the ball with five seconds on the shot clock at half court… You can also see Leuer calling for the ball (puts his two hands out), catching said ball (indeed) with one second on the shot clock, and already having some momentum going toward the hoop to go up right away.
by Alex Boeder on Jan 2, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If they change fundamentally how they normally play that is a huge win for us...
I think some guys that don’t normally play get some burn but they play the way they always do
Sorry
Can’t trust you. Disclaiming hipness is one of the hipper things you can do. I’d say you’re stuck with it. The touch screen was just telling it like it is. One might say you are hip deep in it. Ouch. Lack of food made me say that. Time for breakfast.
Per Paschke on Twitter
Mike Dunleavy is ill and will join team in SLC. Mbah a Moute will likely see his first action to
I guess that means more PT at SF for Luc. It is disappointing Dunleavy will miss this one. I was looking forward to seeing him matched up against Gallinari. Both are SFs with size and neither have blazing speed. It will also be interesting to see if the offense is effective ball movement wise without Dunleavy.
Paschke also said Harris remains day to day...
which I will translate as, he is not playing tonight either.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Darn.
We could use all the guys we can get if we’re going to take advantage of their lack of rest. Dunleavy’s probably the most agile player for his size on the team, so that’ll be a little bad loss.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 2, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
"little bad loss"
That didn’t sound right at all.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 2, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like a good name for an alt country band...
Ladies and gentleman… Little Bad Loss!!!
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like Harris would have an uphill battle getting minutes even when he is cleared
He’s a smart kid, but missing most of your first NBA camp is tough and he’s got a bunch of vets ahead of him. Seems like some time in the D-League would serve him well.
I assume Delfino will start tonight.
Agreed, I know some 1st rounders might consider it an insult to go to the D League...
but after the rough start Harris has had to the season, I would think he just wants to play so he can work himself back into shape.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Hobson!
We haven’t discussed him in the comments yet, but how about that line?!? From my understanding, the D-League is notoriously sloppy and high-paced, but this game only had about 90 possessions (for comparison, the Bucks have averaged about 95 through 3 games). Finished with a 76.4 TS%.
I know it's early
But John Hammond squeezes more out of his 2nd round picks then anyone. Kevin O’Connor and the Jazz were pretty good at that too.
Not to look too far ahead, but the depth up front the Bucks have is pretty darn good even if he can only preform a small fraction of those numbers. No real star but a lot of decent rotation players. The Bucks might end up having a ton of trade pieces when it’s all said and done, which was probably part of the rationale in the first place behind acquiring all these guys at similar positions.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Houston is in a similar position...
with a deep roster of rotation guys but no real star.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Curious to see if the Grizz give the Bucks a call...
They have zero depth at PF if Z-Bo is out for an extended period.
Yeah, I thought it was weird the way they stocked up on undersized PFs like Cunningham and Poindexter after Arthur's injury.
It would seem you would want to replace a rangy, long PF like Arthur with a player of similar skill sets.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Ya I was thinking
This might be the chance to do something with one of our PFs
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I'm reminded of that double OT victory in Sacramento followed by a victory in Denver the next night
Hopefully the tables don’t turn tonight…
Regarding Tobias...better news
From the JS:
Skiles also said 19-year-old rookie Tobias Harris was progressing to the day-to-day category after missing most of training camp due to dehydration and muscle soreness. Harris said his blood level readings have been improving.
“He’s going to do a really rigorous workout before the game (Monday) and then we’ll re-evaluate him,” Skiles said. "But he’s getting really close as well.
“In reality, when he is cleared for contact, in a normal season we’d have a guy go through a full practice. But in this type of season, once he gets cleared for contact he’ll probably play in a game.”
OT: Badgers strike 1st
Coin flip gives them the ball. Beautiful, near-perfect drive for 7.
Ducks respond quickly (2ble meaning)
…with their own 7.
OT
Score now 21Red, 14 Green.
When Badgers are 1st and goal this season, they are 45 for 45 in scoring. Wow.
quite a game; now tied
Thomas speed is game changing
If more US biz had the attitude and efficiency of both teams’ offenses, America would be back on top
If I had a granddaughter, I’d hope she’s meet Russell Wilson and get married; he’s a class act and very very good at his trade
this game may be some kind of classic
Good to be controlling the tempo...
Oregon’s known for wearing out defenses with their speed, but the silver lining right now is that Badger D is getting scored on too quickly to get tired. Hopefully Oregon D is starting to wear down…not that they’re providing a ton of resistance anyway.
yah
My classic label looks a bit frayed right now. I’m going to listen to a bit of Austin City Limits (Pearl Jam) and let the DVR rack up enough minutes to go back and watch skipping the commercials.
OT - 38-35
Badgers.
Lot of spunk in this game.
by unklchuk on Jan 2, 2012 6:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Badger defense
is all world (right now)
by unklchuk on Jan 2, 2012 6:49 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Nuggets fan here
curious as to knowing, who exactly is your backup 5 to Bogut for this game? Is it Brockman?
"I do not threaten, I merely state facts"
"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
Denverstiffs- home of the most bipolar fan base on the internet
Brockman played a fair bit of 5 last year, but he's barely played this year
Gooden was the backup five in game one, Leuer has gotten most of those minutes the last two with Sanders also playing some at both the 4 and 5. Gooden DNP’ed last game after being suspended in game two, but Nene’s physicality would seem to be a problem for Sanders/Leuer. Not that Gooden is a great defender, but he’s a bit stronger and more experienced at least.
I think I'd rather have Leuer guarding Nene when Bogut is out...
He is way more fundamentally sound on D and doesn’t have brain farts like Mr. Gooden… plus Leuer will mix it up even if Nene is more powerful than him…
I’m not too worried about Nene honestly… he doesn’t seem to create his own shot and with Bogut in the game I don’t expect him to get a ton of offensive boards by his own standards… I think our bigs are up to the task but I guess we will see… I have this feeling now that I will have this post shoved in my face later tonight =)
Newsflash for y'all
Nene out with bruised foot. Kosta Koufos to start.
So says tweet of Aaron Lopez, a local Nugget reporter.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
Ouch.
Thanks for the update. How has Koufos looked?
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 2, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
He looked OK in the one garbage time game we had against Utah.
One of our blogs was advocating playing Koufos over Mozgov. Mozgov has not been very impressive so far. Both will be on the floor tonight, so it will be kind of interesting to us Denver fans to see which one plays better.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
Moz 7 1
Kouf 7 0
Gallo 6 10
How tall is your front court?
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
Bogut 7’0"
Ersan 6’10" (solid rebounder, but plays shorter)
Luc 6’8"
Sanders 6’11" (huge wingspan, so plays longer but mediocre rebounder)
Leuer 6’11.5"
Brockman 6’7" (alligator arms but good rebounder)
Big loss for Nugs
Stars couldn’t be aligning better for Bucks tonight—they’ve struggled to contain Nene in the past. No excuses for them tonight.
Yes... The win is always important but I again am hoping to look good in doing it... I aspire for greater things than the 8 seed
Bucks need to win a game they should win and in convincing fashion
I rememeber reading 1984
When it was in the future lol
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
you don't like the new quick two offense Skiles put in?
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
err, quick long two offense, that is.
This is pretty sloppy so far.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Galinari either shoots threes or goes all the way to the rim this year.
No mid range game shown at all.
Surprised Luc isn't in to cover Al Harrington.
I guess if Harrington gets it going, Skiles has the option to bring in Luc.
I guess I prefer Luc on stretch fours that have some quickness.
Gooden can’t keep up with Harrington right now.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
damn work getting in the way of my bucks watching tim
will have to follow the play by play, or schedule a meeting with myself for the next two hours.
Yeah... i do like Goodens alleged team attitude this year... hopefully that keeps up and i wont have to hate the guy anymore...
that and he should play consistent help D
I don't like Livingston's one on one moves all the time
seems to have good vision, but doesn’t like to use it.
it's not bad when he's in the paint
but he likes doing it 19 feet away too.
Bucks score 30 in 1st quarter.
I feel like the Bucks need to put up at least another 30 in the 2nd, just to store up some points for the 3rd quarter swoon.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 8:36 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
love a 30 point quarter,
particularly when the game total line is 184. Thanks to the void oif scoring last year, betting on the bucks games has never been more profitable!
Yep.
Also: Bogut keeps getting the ball in the paint but somehow ends up just making off-balance passes. Gather yourself, big fella.
I'd like to see them continue going to Bogut
Mozgov has three fouls, Nene is hurt…put some pressure on them.
The Nuggets are definitely better without Carmelo...
Carmelo is another high volume, ok efficiency guy who is ideally paired with a bunch of dudes who can play defense and rebound on both ends…. Creating shots is definitely a skill but he is capped by the fact he isn’t the most efficient for a star
Before tonight's game, Leuer was top five in PER among rookies.
He is only helping his cause tonight.
I am just so damn impressed with the stuff he does that doesnt show up in the box score though...
really good team defender and overall smart player
Nevermind, there he is.
Throwing the ball away on the inbounds. Sounds familiar.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Who does Leuer remind you guys of as a player the most?
I want to say a better defending and more fundamental Keith Van Horn but I can’t remember his game entirely…
I was thought of KVH as a 4/3
I think Leuer is a legit 4/5, plus I don’t know if he’s going to have three point range or not. That was obviously a huge part of KVH’s game.
Speaking of which
I fear what the 3rd quarter brings.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 2, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
No turnovers in the first quarter, seven in the second
One thing if both teams are running, but all those turnovers make it easy for the Nuggets.
Since its halftime....
Any word on a BrewHoop outing at a game? Would be sweet if some of the regulars could meet up for a game. Probably not entirely possible but would be cool if some of the Aussies could make it too
Weird, my stream isn't updating live tonight.
I have to refresh to see new comments. That is why I thought it was so quiet.
Altitude
Is altitude coming through choppy got anyone else?? My sound is all messed up
by Blingsrt4 on Jan 2, 2012 9:13 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Halftime observations...
Well, as expected, the Bucks have played 11 guys so far tonight.
Seems like Skiles struggled to find an effective lineup in the 2nd quarter.
Who had Leuer doubling Bogut’s point total at half on a night that Nene was sitting out?
I have arrived.
Rose Bowl got priority as a UW alum, and family dinner got shifted a bit, but now I’m here for the second half. Why so close with no Nene?
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I see Stephen Jackson is following my sad blueprint again...
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
I saw the tail end of the second quarter...not so great to see.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
I know Super, it's getting frustrating
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say OSU last year and the Big 10 Championship this year qualify
But when they lose the big ones, they know how to do it in the most excoriating ways possible.
My wife noticed him holding his right knee often during the Wizards game
Leave it to an NBA hater to notice something so subtle.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 2, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Lol.
My wife notices when the Bucks are losing. She hates the playa AND the game.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Hey my wife hates basketball too!
We should start a club. I get to watch lots of BB this week since my wife is working 3rd shift.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Where does she work Brick? Mine is in her 3rd year medical school rotations in UW system
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Morristown Memorial Hospital her in N.J.
She starts her Radiology residency this June.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Oh wow, sweet. First year residency should be one heck of a grind.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Woof. That's a strong woman you got there Brick.
Nice pick :)
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Nuggets crew said "Bogut really not a face up player..."
O RLY?
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I feel like Denver is our sister city in basketball
Karl has created fun, fast basketball, but it isn’t pretty. Spiritually these teams have some parallels. Of course we have a lot fewer three point shooters.
He's got that tall-man slump
You know, when someone feels awkward being the largest person in the room and slumps their shoulders to try and “fit in”? He’s probably had that all his life, as do many unusually tall men.
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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 2, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't it more like a pimp strut he's got going?
Aussie style pimps look a bit different than the traditional US mold, I’m sure.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Makes Bucks really thin at SG...the pseduo Swingman Bonanza gets really dicey if he misses time.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Makes Bucks really thin at SG...the pseduo Swingman Bonanza gets really dicey if he misses time.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Damn you Koufos
Did somebody get the plates on the horse and buggy that just mowed down two of our dudes?
Too much [King's] English on it?
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
It's funny how everyone's nutting themselves about how much better Bogut's arm looks this season
And then he can’t do anything in the post with it.
He really has been awful to start. But I think the health improvement flashes at the line. A lot more fluid and accurate.
He needs to start hitting some hooks for sure.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
too much time spent bowling leg-spin in his melbourne backyard
I blame the lockout.,….that and Shane Warne’s marriage to Liz Hurley!
Stephen Jackson needs to start leading from the bench again...
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He's still finishing left on the right side every time too, which doesn't bode well for keeping his at rim #s high.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
I also noticed something that made be recheck the at rim #s this year so far.
I know I’ve seen him get blocked a ton at the rim this year, but his % was high. For some reason it doesn’t get counted in his at rim stats…his blocked this year is a ridiculously high 12, so I’d say he’s not too much better up close yet.
But a better decision maker it appears in the early going without doubt.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Skiles is letting the starters play a little too long in the 3rd.
Going to need some fresh legs soon.
Hope Udrih's ok...
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:37 PM CST reply actions
there goes our PG depth.
and by extension, our SG depth.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
And by extension, we will be a better team, sadly
I like Skiles, but I do not get his need to run as many points as possible. Udrih has been serviceable, but I’ve liked Livingston more at either guard position.
by MadTown Hoops on Jan 2, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
wow, great block by Ilyasova
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:38 PM CST reply actions
Surprised Bogut has lasted this long in the third
All that first half rest I guess…he’s made a few plays here…
great ball movement there
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:43 PM CST reply actions
Denver PGs are just feasting at the rim.
Weird, even with Bogut in there how easy they are getting layups.
They better have Jackson and Bogut in the next NBA jam
They have easily been our best two man combo tonight
Del3no
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:44 PM CST reply actions
Jackson getting some good looks with the mid-post package.
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Didn't want to say anything until it was over....
but as far as 3rd quarters have gone – not bad, Milwaukee Bucks. We have endured much worse.
haha Jackson
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:44 PM CST reply actions
Wow, I just busted out laughing at Jax's play there...
If you’re going to shoot it two seconds early, don’t airmail it over the basket…
by Frank Madden on Jan 2, 2012 9:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Don't have DVR, but he may have traveled too...that looked so great. Haha it was OVER THE BACKBOARD.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
But I'm so glad it happened.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Great last sequence, as far as I'm concerned
Hopefully this doesn’t mean that the 4th will be our sluggish quarter this time…
nice hustle play by future NBA Rookie of the Year Jon Leuer
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:47 PM CST reply actions
the red uniforms are my favorite
wish they’d just get rid of the green ones, or at least make the red ones their primary road uni
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
I actually prefer the greens
My faves are the home throwback whites with the big “BUCKS” on the front.
there is something about the side piping I don't like
if they would make green uniforms with the same template the red ones have, then I’d be on board. I do wish their primary home uni were the ones you just mentioned
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, those ones are great, but the classics would be nice to see them bring back.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
kinda surprised Anderson has tattooed his under arms yet
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:49 PM CST reply actions
If I told you at the start of the year that LRMAM would matchup against Al Harrington when the Bucks played the Nuggets, what would have been your reaction?
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oh wtf Carlos
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:51 PM CST reply actions
Why does Rudy Fernandez look so much slower in a Nuggets uniform than he did in a Blazers uniform?
He honestly looks like a different guy.
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Guys are waiting and watching for him to come back left.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Mbah a Moute needs to take a charge there
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:53 PM CST reply actions
Bogut willed that shot in haha
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:56 PM CST reply actions
whaa howw do you miss that Brandon?
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:57 PM CST reply actions
not Brandon's best set of possessions....
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:58 PM CST reply actions
If Beno was available, I would say put him in here.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
I bet Skiles is thinking that too haha
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
That AST:TO ratio is going to take a big hit tonight.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
Is there an anti Three Bucks?
Oh yeah, Three Bad. That is you Brandon.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps it was Dunleavy that was making Jennings look so good.
Gave him the opportunity for more catch and shoots.
remember that team basketball in the third quarter?
yeah, do that again
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:00 PM CST reply actions
Dear LRMAM, they want you to take that shot for a reason. It's not a good reason.
From,
Steve
(PS- stick to short corner for those, right side please)
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 10:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Paxil
Take your pick.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 2, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
need a timeout here
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:04 PM CST reply actions
the wheels are falling off
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:05 PM CST reply actions
Pretty sure he goaltended that putback. Interesting to see Skiles go to a double-team though on Gallo.
He doesn’t usually like to double.
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Ruh roh.
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Skiles was rotating player a lot in the 1st half, but has tightened up the rotation in the 2nd.
Not sure why, but it ain’t working.
Not a great look out of the timeout there...bad job Skiles.
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Is Dunleavy hurt?
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:09 PM CST reply actions
thanks
should have read the pregame notes
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Not allowed back in Denver.
Peed on the Pepsi Center walls and was banned from returning.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
what a huge 3
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:09 PM CST reply actions
First points in six minutes
I hate the black hole of death
by MadTown Hoops on Jan 2, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
This little official's chat gives the players a chance to catch a breather.
But since when do they check shots so much after the fact?
there we go
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:15 PM CST reply actions
I would have liked to see some 1-5 pick and roll with Livingston or something even without Beno, but no such luck.
Skiles as reverted to that three-man perimeter weave thing.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
I would have liked to see some 1-5 pick and roll with Livingston or something even without Beno, but no such luck.
Skiles has reverted to that three-man perimeter weave thing.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
The Nuggets mascot is having more success shooting the ball this quarter than the Bucks.
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 PM CST reply actions
So when you absolutely positively need a bucket, who do you go to?
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 PM CST reply actions
apparently Stephen Jackson
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ghostbuster?
Initiate with Bogut in the mid-post faceup/pinch post thing they do, then spot up delfino weakside and let Bogut find the open opportunity
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Steal this one Bucks!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 PM CST reply actions
what the heck were the Bucks doing there?
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 PM CST reply actions
let's have some overtime!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 PM CST reply actions
this is probably how it ends
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 2, 2012 10:21 PM CST reply actions
welp
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:21 PM CST reply actions
lolbucks
Let it be known throughout the land that Jennings took our momentum and threw it in the trash can.
But to be fair
Things could have been better all around. I think Jennings will rebound tomorrow.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 2, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
that's how it ends, sorry guys
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 2, 2012 10:22 PM CST reply actions
so is Gooden in Skiles' doghouse or something?
team really needed Dunleavy tonight
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 10:22 PM CST reply actions
Delfino was WIDE OPEN on the kick if Jennings had gone back to the inbounder.
They broke it down on the Denver feed. Sigh.
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Well, GIBS is going to blow tomorrow
Any suggestions on specific focuses for the article?
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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 2, 2012 10:23 PM CST reply actions
4th quarter turd fest.
Didn’t see a lot of pick and roll there. Didn’t see a lot of easy looks there. Didn’t want to see what I saw there.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 2, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
why have a third quarter slump....
when you can save it for the fourth?
Well, this was the game I was hoping the Bucks would steal on this road trip.
I hope Dunleavy is fresh and ready to go against the Jazz tomorrow. I really think the Bucks will struggle to win one on this road trip after seeing this game. Just ugly.
I just came to a realization as to how depressing it is that I am counting on Dunleavy to save the Bucks road trip. Ugh.
Despite only playing 14 minutes, Leuer has to be one the Three Bucks for the game, right?
I don’t like Jackson or Jennings for the title, Bogut either. Delfino’s boxscore looks decent, but he took some bad shots. Maybe Dunleavy gets an honorary spot.
Not a terrible loss
without Dunleavy and Udrih (in the 2nd half) our wing depth was very thin and fatigue sat in. Leuer and Gooden should have gotten a few minutes in the 2nd.
by FearTheDeer on Jan 2, 2012 10:35 PM CST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, this is the kind of night where it would have been nice to be able to play Luc some SF minutes.
It would free up minutes for Leuer or Gooden and allow Jackson or Delfino a breather in the 2nd half. It just puts too many limitations on the Bucks offense having him a SF, though.
by Brick's house on Jan 2, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
4th quarter was half zombie
That 4th quarter offense wasn’t as bad as a lot of games from last season. But the shots they settled for were losing shots. And the action/movement that allows them to build rhythm was stifled.
Tonight’s team IMHO would go maybe 31 or 32 wins of 66.
I can understand streaks of missing shots. I can’t really understand Skiles allowing streaks of not moving and settling for low-percentage shots.
Bucks seemed to think slow and move slow tonight. They probably were tired from sleeping in airline seats.

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