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Bucks 100, Knicks 86: Brandon Jennings Gets Last Laugh Over Carmelo And Knicks

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282 days.

Coming into Friday night's matchup with the Knicks at Madison Square Garden, that's how long it had been since the Milwaukee Bucks' season-ending win in Oklahoma City last April. Eight road games and eight road losses later, any victory would do for Scott Skiles' beleaguered bunch: pretty or ugly, good opponent or bad, deserved or otherwise. But a double-digit win at the mecca of basketball against a team they're chasing for an Eastern Conference playoff spot? Yeah, that works.

There was no shortage of story lines either, though you wouldn't expect anything less when the Knicks are involved. Brandon Jennings (36 pts, 15/26 fg, 5 ast, 2 stl, 3 to) put on yet another dynamite performance at MSG in outdueling an increasingly frustrated Carmelo Anthony (35 pts, 11/26 fg) before the latter's ejection in the final minute.

Shaun Livingston (18 pts, 7/10 fg, 5 rebs, 3 ast) was pitch-perfect starting in place of the suspended/inactive/whatever-you-want-to-call-it Stephen Jackson, raising the inevitable question of whether the Bucks are any better with Jackson in the lineup, much less playing 40 minutes. More on that later.

And lastly there are the Knicks, now losers of five straight and subject to the ever-intensifying pressure that comes with it. Amare Stoudemire (6/13 fg, 15 pts, 5 to) and company struggled inside, Anthony spent much of the night going one-on-five, and the rest of the Knicks roster seemed content to stand around and take it all in. It was all good news for the Bucks on Friday, and considering that these teams may be battling one another for a playoff spot in late April, hopefully also a sign of things to come.

Star-divide

Nothing about the Bucks' road efforts coming into this game suggested a win, much less an easy one, should be expected. But the same could have been said from the Knicks' perspective, and early on there did seem to be a positivity and purpose to the Bucks' game. Bogut stroked another jumper and dropped in three more early shots, including what appeared to be an unintentional banked hook from the mid-post. Bogut has been dreadful from that range all season, so might tonight finally be the night he gets his post game working?

The Bucks led by as many as nine early, but Anthony showed his own purpose in scoring 14 in the first quarter to bring the Knicks back to within four after the first period. The Bucks had particularly little answer for the Chandler/Anthony high P&R, as Bogut stayed in the paint and left Delfino mostly on his own to chase Anthony off screens. That typically left Melo able to cruise in for uncontested 10-15 footers, and overall he made 6/11 on two-pointers outside the paint. But the Bucks continued to make him work (four turnovers) and crowded him inside (3/7 at the rim), as Delfino and Livingston put up credible if not effective resistance against Anthony.

The same couldn't be said of the Knicks' defense. With Jackson in street clothes and a second point guard starting in his place, the Bucks were content to ping the ball around the court until they found good shots, many of them in the paint. Livingston was particularly brilliant from mid-range, but the Bucks also found little resistant inside, sinking 18/22 shots at the rim (82%). Returning from an 11-game absence with a groin injury, Dunleavy did nothing in the box score (0/4 fg), yet it seemed like he was typically in the middle of good things--be it a laser pass to Udrih for a layup or pushing the ball in transition. Not coincidentally, the Bucks are 3-1 when Dunleavy plays and 2-8 when he doesn't.

Jennings began to take control in the second, scoring the Bucks' final 12 points of the half in just 164 seconds. The Knicks' aggressiveness paid off with a series of trips to the foul line that earned them a 43-41 lead in the late going, but Jennings ripped a pair of threes and put back his own missed floater on the half's last possession to give Milwaukee a 55-51 edge. Jennings' swagger continued in full motion in the third, scoring another 11 points as the Bucks extended their lead to 78-62. His last two baskets came on long twos in quick succession, the kind of shots which normally might draw winces from Bucks fans. But by that time it all felt very correct: Jennings was performing, the crowd was left gasping for answers, and he was not going to miss.

The Bucks slowed a bit in the fourth, but the Knicks missed their first eight shots and never started a comeback in earnest. Down by 13, Anthony scored 10 straight Knick points but could never bring them closer than 89-80, and his frustration began to boil over in the final minutes. He lowered his shoulder to level Jennings on a screen and went face-to-face with Delfino on a handful of occasions as the Argentine began to get under his skin. That pair had been assessed a double-technical earlier in the game, and Anthony would get his marching papers with 90 seconds left following a testy exchange with Jennings.

After Anthony got a piece of Jennings' follow-through on a straightaway three, the diminutive point guard flashed three fingers at Anthony while running back down the court. You knew Carmelo was going to shoot after that, but following a foul on Bogut he went back to jawing at Jennings, who seemed to content to sit back and smile with his team up 15. The refs T'd both players up anyway, which meant Anthony's night--and along with it the Bucks' road streak--was over.

Three Bucks

Brandon Jennings. For the first time since November 2009, Brandon Jennings can credibly claim to be the Milwaukee Bucks' best basketball player. Granted, much of that has to do with Andrew Bogut's indifferent start to the season, but Jennings has also put together by far his best month of basketball since exploding onto the scene in his first month of his first NBA season.

Jennings contributed four early assists but also missed four of his first six shots, letting his teammates take the early initiative before taking over the game in the final three quarters with 12, 11 and 8 points. Jennings buried 6/12 from deep and has now made 24/49 threes in his last nine games, though he also slammed home a career-high three dunks (two off his own steals, one the result of some fortuitous cherry-picking) and made 9/14 from two-point range as well. Video evidence below.

Shaun Livingston. Always in control, always calm; there's just something about Livingston's game that puts me at ease. Well, it's a number of things really: steady defense, a perpetual willingness to move the ball, and a lethal mid-range game. All three were on display tonight in his first game starting at shooting guard, as Livingston was a key cog in the Bucks' ball movement and killed the Knicks with short jumpers in the first half. We've seen Livingston use his length and high release to good effect in the post and isolation all season, and he was perfect in the game's first 18 minutes, making all six of his shots between six and ten feet.

Ersan Ilyasova. There was plenty of separation between the starting guards and the rest of the Bucks' roster, but Ilyasova (9 rebs, 3 ast, 2 stl, +15) and Drew Gooden (10 pts, 11 rebs) both deserve some credit for cleaning the boards and battling the Knicks' big men capably down low. Neither could shoot a lick (Gooden 2/9, Ilyasova 1/5) and Ilyasova botched another alley-oop (at some point Jennings will stop throwing them, right?), but for once it didn't really matter.

Three Numbers

.370. The struggling Knick offense offered a convenient summary of its recent struggles on Friday: too much Anthony, not enough Stoudemire, and a sloppy, unimaginative supporting cast. The Bucks had few answers for Anthony running high pick and roll with Chandler--Bogut mostly hung back and conceded short jumpers rather than expose himself to drives--but it seemed as though the rest of the Knicks also grew bored watching Melo take nearly a third of New York's shots.

24. Though the Bucks had only a modest 21-18 edge in points off turnovers, New York denied itself any chance at winning by coughing up the ball 24 times.

+22. The Bucks dominated in the paint with a 50-28 edge around the basket.

Three Good

Home away from home. Turns out the Bucks just needed a pilgrimage to basketball's mecca to find a cure for their road woes. The Bucks won for the sixth time in seven trips to MSG and it couldn't have come at a better time, as the Bucks are now tied for ninth in the East with Boston (also 5-9, but having played four more home games), are just a half game back of the slumping Knicks (6-9, 8th) and a game behind the likely-to-fade Cavs (6-8, 7th).

Oak Hill's finest. It was a night of contrasts for the three Oak Hill alumni at MSG Friday night. Jackson could only watch as the Bucks played some of their best ball of the season without him (more on that below). Anthony contributed a joyless, team-high 35 points before being tossed for his second technical, as his frustrations boiled over in the closing minutes. And then there was Jennings, who once again stole the show on his home-away-from-home court.

Jennings made 50% or better of his shots for the eighth time this season in 14 games, the same number of times he did it in 66 games a year ago. More to the point: his 15/26 shooting night now puts his season shooting splits at .464/.377/.780 and a 55.1% true shooting figure. Now if only he can maintain that...

Getting defensive. The Knicks' offensive predictability helped, but the Bucks also held their own on the boards, seemed to find their way to most loose balls and forced 24 turnovers vs. just 13 Knick assists. Have we mentioned yet that Luc Mbah a Moute was back in the lineup? Luc was the third Buck to have a shot at Anthony in both the first and third quarters (after Delfino and Livingston), and he helped make life increasingly difficult for Melo after his 14 first quarter points. Mbah a Moute was easily the most effective Buck at fighting through screens to stay with Melo in high P&R, and the former Syracuse star was just 3/12 from the field while Mbah a Moute was in the game.

Three Bad

What about Jack? It was all smiles for the bench late in the fourth quarter, and Jackson was no exception. But now comes the uncomfortable part. First, we all know Jackson has been way too inefficient for a sometimes-first option. But we also know that Skiles is likely to continue playing him major minutes because...well, just because. Politics, old habits, the cult of personality. Things like that. Don't ask.

So there should be nothing too surprising about the Bucks putting together their most convincing 48 minutes of the season in a game where Livingston starts, glue guys Dunleavy and Mbah a Moute return, and Jackson sits on the bench in street clothes. I'm not naive enough to think Skiles will turn Jackson into a bit player the rest of the season, and if he can cut down on his turnovers and start making a vaguely respectable percentage of his shots maybe that's OK. But in the meantime let's hope that some form of meritocracy prevails.

Talking playoffs. Anything short of the playoffs will be a major disappointment for this team, but complicating matters is that the East isn't the joke it once was. The way things currently stand, the Bucks would have to beat out either the Knicks or Celtics just for the right to face the Bulls or Heat in the first round. Sigh.

Subdued Bogut. Andrew Bogut wasn't bad, but a strong start (4/5 in the first quarter) made his final three quarters (1/4 fg, five total rebounds) a bit of a disappointment.

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Shaun Livingston

has been consistently solid all year; when he gets in the game. Even in the terrible games we’ve had, he seems to be a solid leader of the poo-squads in trash time. I like him.

by kanyon on Jan 21, 2012 2:23 AM CST reply actions  

Definitely

Would love to see what he could do starting regularly, but doubt we get a chance to see it…

by Frank Madden on Jan 21, 2012 2:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Even if not he's not starting

He should be either:

a) doing duo PG’s with Jennings
b) PG’ing the 2nd squad

Think there were maybe like 2 games where he wasn’t in very much…. and it was bad. He’s just a solid; decent player. Maybe can bring some consistency. Or if it keeps working, keep starting him… maybe have Jackson ‘lead’ the insane sloppy suicide second platoon like we wanted to do with Maggette last year…

by kanyon on Jan 21, 2012 3:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Livingston, Dunleavy and Jennings

Agree about Livingston, there’s a lot to like about his time on court, and not much to complain about. And even though Dunleavy didn’t do a huge amount last night, I think there is noticable better ball movement with Livingston and Dunleavy playing.

I have complained about Jennings at times, but have to give credit for his play lately. I especially liked with about 80 seconds left in the game, Jennings was on fire, he flew down the court past the knicks players, then dished rather than trying for more points. I have to admit that there are some good signs with his play, and perhaps need to stop judging him against every PG he lines up against.

by Bucksnorge on Jan 21, 2012 4:51 AM CST reply actions  

And 3 dunks to Jennings!!

I’ll wager we win almost every game where he gets 3 dunks.

by Bucksnorge on Jan 21, 2012 4:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's the thing that I love about this game

The starting lineup: Jennings-Livingston-Delfino-Leuer-Bogut. Each player knows their role. Delfino is the spot-up shooter. Livingston is the slasher/mid-range wing. Leuer is a solid pick-and-pop guy who also has a knack for scoring inside. Bogut can contribute on offense, but his calling card is defense and rebounding.

That leaves Jennings free to actually look at what the defense gives him. Closing off the paint? Get some space going with outside jumpers. Closing out on shooters? Get the ball close to the lane and let one of your three post threats (yes, even Bogut) go to work. Switching on P&Rs? Find a mismatch (either Livingston against a short guard or Leuer against a slow forward) and exploit it.

But best of all, everyone is willing to defer to Jennings, who is currently the best player on the team. Let him get the wheels in motion, and just focus on executing what will work best. Yes, that often means that Jennings is going to put up a shot. But he actually has options, and they’re not just “pass to teammate, watch teammate iso, run back on defense”.

And it’s not limited to the Friday night starters. Ersan Ilyasova is a blueprint for a complimentary player. Mike Dunleavy is an American Delfino with slightly better court vision. Tobias Harris is young, but could develop the same kind of game that Livingston has when he’s playing the 2/3: solid in the post, able to take advantage of mismatches (except Harris is a better outside shooter). Larry Sanders and Mbah a Moute don’t give you a lot on offense, but their defense is why they’re drawing checks. Udrih is Jennings’ backup, and Gooden is…well, nobody’s really sure, but he can give you rebounding and a decent pick-and-pop game. And because none of these players are top options by themselves, all it takes is some practice to get them to understand what they need to do while on the court together.

When Jackson is on the court, that will never happen. Cap’n Jack needs too many possessions for the offense to let people get into a groove. Remember Salmons and Maggette? Same thing: they needed the ball and they needed it a lot, or they weren’t going to give you anything. And Jennings is young enough and eager to please his elders, so in his mind, who is he to deny Jackson the ball?

I realize that this is a long missive about one game against an inferior opponent (I will never consider the Knicks legit as they’re currently constructed) that just happened to go well, but I think that tonight’s game is indicative of what Hammond and Skiles want the team to be: tough defense on one side, a smart, versatile offense on the other.

That being said, this sort of team doesn’t survive long in the NBA. Players decline, others improve, and the balance is upset. But we all know the plan for this team mimics that of the 2004 Detroit Pistons, where defense was king and offensive roles were well-defined. It can happen again…but will it?

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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 21, 2012 5:21 AM CST reply actions  

1 - That is a wicked picture of Jennings post dunk

2 – The (brief) write up of this game on Posting and Toasting is hilarious…immediately liking that blog.

by 2-33 on Jan 21, 2012 5:29 AM CST reply actions  

I thought it was funny that both P&T and Knickerblogger both referred to Jennings as an imp in their recaps.

Perhaps we should embrace the image of Jennings as the little demon and get Dave on a photoshop project .

by Brick's house on Jan 21, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Think he's one of those guys that gets under your skin

Kind of guy you love on your team and hate on the other. Deion Sanders like?

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 21, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Seth over at Posting and Toasting is one of the best…

by Alex Boeder on Jan 21, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, can anyone help me out?

What was said between Jennings and Carmelo Anthony when they got their double-techs? I couldn’t make it out on the espn-dot-com recap video, but I would guess that (shocker) Melo was being a punk.

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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 21, 2012 5:32 AM CST reply actions  

Hopefully BJ pointed out

That Denver are a better team without Melo

by Bucksnorge on Jan 21, 2012 5:51 AM CST up reply actions  

The nba.com recap gives you a pretty good look at Melo's talking

if your lip reading skills are good and you can handle staring at that for longer than a couple of seconds.

by 2-33 on Jan 21, 2012 6:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm guessing it wasn't

Wow..great game brandon, you totally outplayed me.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 21, 2012 6:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Lip reading...

The RealGM post game thread has a guy (Sikma in name, if I recall) who says he’s good at lip reading. Said Melo said over and over (10X or more): “Watch what you say to me”

That’s close or perhaps exact. Guess he’s an important man…

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 7:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Sikma or Melo?

That rings true though

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 21, 2012 7:20 AM CST up reply actions  

huh? the poster’s screen name includes “sikma” and some other stuff. he says Melo said the quote.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I was asking who is an important man

Sikma or Melo anyway watched it again, i can’t really tell, even with Sikma’s knowledge

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 21, 2012 7:32 AM CST up reply actions  

hey

It’s too early in my morning for details. “Guess he’s an important man…” was my green font comment on Melo’s ego. Surprised you would think I might have meant Sikma was important. You live in today’s society. Sikma was the reporter. Reporters are never important.

;)

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Just yanking your chain

At 2:08 on the nba.com highlights he does say something like"Watch what you’re saying to me", what he says after that doesn’t look the same.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 21, 2012 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

oops

this forum has been known as a sometimes hangout for known reporters. might be dangerous to get on the wrong side of them. so I’ll exempt them from that comment. and buy them a round of virtual drinks.



CB, there are two troubles (not to you blame-able – I guess the spelling is “blamable” but doesn’t that sound like a violent act? ) in your yanking my chain. One, it reminds me uncomfortably that I am still reaching in the toilet tank to flush, since I don’t have a functioning chain. Two, you are a sneaky thinker, and when you say something that I have trouble scruting (something inscrutable to me) I always have to be concerned that there’s more there than meets my eye. For a curmudgeon, that creates a time & effort deficit.

I’m just explaining. Not asking for behavior change.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok note to self

chain yanking kept to a minimum

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 21, 2012 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I couldn’t tell what was said. More interesting was the first T with Delfino. Melo grabbed Delfino’s shoulder and Carlos sneakily reached back and pinched his crotch. Melo’s expression was hilarious.

by Berdule on Jan 21, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

scattered shots

1. I was happy with Jennings on several levels. What he did himself; what he did for the team. Being in NYC, IMO, made a big difference to Brandon. Reluctantly, for me, it looks like he will gravitate there or to LA. He has a real feel for the pumping heart of American urban basketball – and the center of that is in NYC. Good for him. The sadness of Not-To-Be for the Bucks?

2. Ersan is more of a rookie than Harris. If good-and-bad-together is an NBA rookie skill, he’s got it nailed.

3. I thank the Knicks for ignoring the many chances we gave them to win that game. It was good to see another team shoot poorly. It was good to see another team dysfunctional.

4. What I didn’t like about the Bucks last night was that Bogut and other individual pieces weren’t firing on all cylinders. We looked purposeful. Good. We had the heart to compete, as opposed to other recent efforts. Good. But we weren’t consistently sharp. Our 2nd half offense was pretty bad. Except for a man named Jennings. So IMO we put a mixed bag effort out there (not mediocre at all; mixed) and last night it was easily good enough. Interesting and uncertain where we go from here.

5. Jackson in his suit didn’t look grumpy. Looked into the game. Related to his teammates. Flashed positive emotions. Maybe that’s just his MO. (He intends to feel the way he wants to, damn it, and won’t let events or discipline push him around.) Or maybe he’s not a volcano pre-explosion.

6. I agree with all the nice things said about Livingston. Not sure, though, if he’ll become a Skiles favorite. (Though his PT is going to increase some.) One, Livingston is mellow, and Skiles is not. Two, I’ve seen, I think, a pattern where L can make those short jumpers at a very high percentage – as long as they are flowing for him. But when he tries to build on early success, and keep scoring, he does his moves slightly differently. And mostly misses. That might keep him from being a starter.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 8:12 AM CST reply actions  

the sound of silence?

Has the parade moved to a different street? It’s quiet around here. I don’t refer to posts this morning, ‘cuz it’s early for a weekend. But the game article had 8 posts. RealGM’s had 936. This post-game article has 21 (including too many by me). RealGMs has 157.

They’re a high-volume outfit. But this place ain’t no volume. Is it?

Perhaps the Brownian movement had what they say can happen once in a blue moon. All the little pieces moving in the same direction. Perhaps all the regulars here (except me, sob) found a hot date last night, and have yet to come up for air… If that’s the case, who needs basketball? For a while, at least.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 8:41 AM CST reply actions  

Hot date?

I’m married. No such luck there.

http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.

by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 21, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I also posted this very late

I watched the first half live and the secnd half on DVR, so didn’t post a cap unti 3 am EST.

by Frank Madden on Jan 21, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

to be candid

…those are all small reasons for a huge difference. 8 posts in our game thread vs. 936 at the other place. Normally we get a few hundred.

Ain’t no big deal, though, so I’m prepared to shut up about it.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey!

We had 410 comments in the game thread, mister!

:)

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 21, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I could be wrong. It happened once.

You’re referring to the Preview. But weren’t most of those comments before the game began? Ain’t that what a Preview is? TwoShoesMcGooze was stranded on an island by himself in what I took to be the game thread: Knicks Scouting Report: Q&A With Seth Rosenthal From Posting & Toasting.

Let’s say I’m wrong. I’m due. We can move on.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

It was funny...

The “Game Thread” link kept bringing me there, so naturally I thought it was the game thread. Then I scrolled down and saw that the preview had 100+ comments and had effectively become the game thread. A link does not a game thread make, I guess.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 21, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry for the confusion

I was going to include Seth’s stuff in the preview, but it came later so I just made it a separate post and only bumped the preview back to the top later. You’re not alone, TwoShoes :)

by Frank Madden on Jan 21, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Kinda mixed emotions on this one...

Even I [resident Jennings hater] have been surprised and mildly impressed with his offensive improvement – and he had an excellent game overall. [though I’ll NEVER be a fan of shoot first PG’s. It just aint natural]

But I’m still in tank mode – and a victory over a struggling team that doesn’t bother w/ defense does not help the Bucks cause long-term IMO. And where was Bogut? Again? He’s my favorite player, and maybe I give him a free pass sometimes [mainly because of the injury and the overall ineptness of the organization as long as he’s been here] but the truth is, he’s making a LOT of money and not doing much to earn it.

Then again, I can’t stand Carmelo, so it’s always nice to beat him. And I’m jazzed Livingston looked good – he might have the 2nd prettiest jump shot in the NBA, behind only R Allen…

by victor s on Jan 21, 2012 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

Dude, EVERYTHING Livingston does is pretty.

He’s just so graceful. Like a deer.

http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.

by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 21, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

“Like a deer.”

I don’t know if you should be blamed for committing that pun. Or if I should be blamed for pointing it out.

But if winning requires predator aggression, then graceful like a deer may be good viewing but a little less than needed.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Damn straight, MM. I've always been a big SL fan, and contend he'd be a perennial all-star if not for the knee injury

It’s gotta be a bad omen that the Bucks have 2 players that have suffered probably the most gruesome injuries in the history of the NBA…

by victor s on Jan 21, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

he's the next Magic Johnson...

Haha! Or at least that’s what someone said when he was drafted :)

by kanyon on Jan 22, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree 100% on Livingston

If he still had his hops/acceleration, he’d be a top-10 guard probably.

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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 22, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

mixed for me too

Though maybe a mix of different things. The gentlemen at RGM really enjoyed this game (mentioning them only because this site was game quiet). I liked it too. Especially the team energy. But I sorta felt we weren’t as pretty as the lights & makeup made us look.** Is it fair to suggest that that kind of effort would have lost against half of the NBA teams? So… nice bounce back, but let’s keep bouncing higher and higher.

  • Makeup? Perhaps I have your hot dates on my mind. Now… I would have thought it was feasible and desirable, and frankly damn necessary, to have the occasional hot date with one’s wife. Are those the words of a foolish romantic?

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The Knicks are bad and over-rated, so I'm not really impressed w/ the victory...

I’m sorry to be so negative as of late, but I feel the Bucks need to blow this thing up and start over – and a win over NY ain’t gonna change that… Wins like last night just postpone the inevitable and hurt the Bucks draft positioning.

However, if they win 8 of their next 10, maybe then I’ll start believing.

by victor s on Jan 21, 2012 9:53 AM CST reply actions  

heck

If they win half of their next 10, I’ll start believing.

Anyone who feels we need to blow this thing up and start over has to (in my mind) make a persuasive case how that will happen with this franchise, this owner, this GM. Losing last night would have moved them 1/3 step closer. Losing almost all of the next 10 might lead to trades of vets and thus a mild rebuild. Not all out.

But if folks want to take Win Now away from this owner and GM, they’re going to have to pry it out of their cold, dead hands.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Attanasio would be a whole different story.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree the knicks were bad

It was actually a little shocking to see how bad they were. I don’t like Melo, but perhaps feel slightly bad for Stat and Chandler to be struggling so much.

I don’t think anyone here is kidding themselves it was a great win or that we are starting to gain some momentum. But it was fun to see BJ play so well, and I’ll celebrate the wins when we get them at this stage.

by Bucksnorge on Jan 21, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Just watched tonight´s highlights

and found something went on between Carlos and Melo. Anyone can give me some details? This is what Carlos answered on twitter when someone mande a sarcastic mention of these incidents .

@cehuerga: good vibe with Melo, did you exchanged jerseys after the game// @cabezadelfino: he had already given his to a man in grey ;)
By the way, did Carlos made a dunk too?

by palomba on Jan 21, 2012 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

Delfino was the main defender on Melo (tho not the only)

My take is that he was executing a Skiles tactic on Melo. “Physical-ing” him. Bumping him with his body. In his face. Getting a hand on the ball, which didn’t produce turnovers BUT made Melo readjust his position, perhaps move out a bit, away from his intended spot. Don’t know if Carlos was running his mouth or not.

In my view, that’s what got under Melo’s skin. Made him less effective. Bravo! And Delfino was probably more willing and more able to act a bit like a thug than Moute or Livingston. Those two would probably be BAD at doing that. (Think I’ll mark Delfino as less likely to be traded; the Bucks need roughness.)

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Great, Chuk.

Thanks. Last year when asked who was the most difficult player to defend, he mentioned Melo among them. So he must have been really happy with the results.

by palomba on Jan 21, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

my Bucks optimism (I have both sides: op and not-op)

…includes the hypothesis that Delfino is regaining some of his swagger. Makes him a more assertive and better player. The “team” doesn’t really honor him like it should. If he has a little swagger he’ll get more usage.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Swagger?

Got to look that up. I believe he will regain his condidence and energy (you add some arrogance, and you get swagger, right?) if the team doesn´t loose the ¨team first¨ spirit that had past seasons. I believe also that Dunleavy´s presence is helping with that purpose: having some serious competition for his role in this team will bring out the best of him, I think.

by palomba on Jan 21, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Merriam-Webster adds arrogance, but...

That’s a bit harsh for me. Too much Midwestern Nice in that definition. I’ll go with the Urban Dictionary:

How one presents him or her self to the world. Swagger is shown from how the person handles a situation. It can also be shown in the person’s walk.

Ryan: “Denzel Washington has swagger in all his movie rolls”

Phil: “You can’t forget about Al Pacino! He had swagger all over in Scarface!!!”

I might say that, for a man, swagger is when his testosterone can be seen in his body language, his walk. Generally, that’s a good thing in NBA basketball.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Carlos did dunk it

Fairly early in the game I think? A driving one hander.

by Bucksnorge on Jan 21, 2012 10:37 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, it was nice

Kinda caught it on a curl in the lane, looked around and dunked it over a defender. Not quite the dunk on Josh Smith in the playoffs, but nice :)

by Frank Madden on Jan 21, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

it was also nice

…to see Jennings relate to Gooden. At a timeout. I described it like this:

Last night. Timeout called. Jennings and Gooden headed for bench. Jennings leans over, with a big smile, and says something to Gooden. Gooden’s head flashes around, electric quick (made me wonder if he might have more quickness than he usually shows), and barks something back at jennings, with emphasis. They both jerk their upper bodies instantaneously like men do when they share a great laugh or sharp insight. And then the camera cuts away.

I would love to see more of that kind of energy on our team.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

unkling again: that moment reminded me

That basketball is meant to be played with the high energy of young men, is meant to be explosively fun. Like that moment.

When the game loses that, when the players are just grinding it out, then the soul is gone. Watching is pointless.

The Pragmatic Realist might say that the NBA is more a showcase for skills – and like performances on stage and circus, the entertainment value doesn’t necessarily require raw emotion from the performers. What counts is the show, not the soul.

To me, that would be an invitation to walk away from basketball.

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was right after one of Jennings' dunks

Curious if Gooden was joking about Brandon’s dunking….I think it might be in the video I added to the game story.

by Frank Madden on Jan 21, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Another list had a poster describe it

Struck me as colorful and perhaps plausible.

“Yeah, I saw that. Jennings was hitting some shots and the Red Rooster Swag came out and Gooden loves the swag whether he’s hitting shots or not. They definitely look like they connect on some level.”

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the Red Rooster Swag

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 21, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Quote from Melo

Courtesy of HoopsHype:

The incident began when Jennings sank one of his six 3-pointers, held up the "three’’ sign and said something to Anthony that apparently irked him. "I don’t like to be punked out there, so I think that’s where the frustration set in, and it just started trickling down,’’ Anthony said. "I apologize to my teammates for that, but I don’t like being in situations like that. I don’t know how to handle punking situations too well.’’ New York Post

To paraphrase-“I’m a suck”

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 21, 2012 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

Isn't Melo an urban baller?

How could he get to be an adult without deep learning on how to handle that?

(I don’t know his background. He carries himself like an urban baller. Maybe he lived in gated communities and went to all private schools.)

by unklchuk on Jan 21, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I love the idea of Jennings "punking" Melo

My guess is that Melo’s moving screen on Jennings a couple minutes earlier had something to do with it too. Suck it up, Carmelo.

by Frank Madden on Jan 21, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he absolutely crushed him.

I thought, “Depending on who you talk to, there goes the franchise,” when Brandon was laying on the ground.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 21, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

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