The Unofficial Andrew Bogut Trade Site
Over the last week or so there have been a lot of posts about tanking, re-tooling or whatever you want to call it as most feel this edition of the Milwaukee Bucks is middle-of the-pack as a best case scenario. I have been quite vocal about my feelings that Andrew Bogut should be the first buck to go because of the following reasons:
1. He could fetch the most in a trade due to the position he plays, his defensive abilities, and his contract
2. His game is in decline, small sample size but every advanced stat is down this year with the exception of drb%, ast% and stl%
3. We need more scoring down low, at the moment, he is not providing that.
I realize that everyone doesn't feel the same way that I do(wouldn't be much to discuss if we had the same opinions)but after the jump I have listed all other NBA teams, my thoughts on their interest in Bogut, and what players on their respective rosters that I might be interested in. This is all predicated on a 2 team trade, there may be other possibilities adding more teams into the mix, but that's impossible to explore.
Here goes:
Atlanta: Horford for Bogut has been talked about, upside is that it could be a really short term tank, downside is that if Horford doesn't come back well from the injury, you're screwed unless your draft pick is really good. Josh Smith...I'll passBoston: I think Boston would be able to take one last kick at the can with Bogut, but unfortunately, they have no assets that I really want. JaJuan Johnson might turn into a player but really need another team here to facilitate this one.
Charlotte: Mutually unbeneficial,
Chicago: I don't want Noah, would need a 3rd team. Might be interested in Asik
Cleveland: Interested in Hollins? Didn't think so, unless it's picks, let's move on, tbh i don't think the Cavs would be interested anyway unless they think they can create more interest by taking a serious run at the playoffs.
Dallas: The Mavs only make a deal if you're taking Haywood back and Hammond isn't that dumb is he? Mahinmi is the only player of interest for me.
Denver: Again not beneficial to either team with Denver having Nene.
Detroit: Can't see anything happening with the Pistons, they're happy with Monroe.
GS: They have expressed interest in Dwight(unrequited), so would Bogut fit beside Lee? I like Klay Thompson and................
Houston: I could see interest on our side, Jordan Hill, Patterson (my preference between the two), Courtney Lee and picks. Not sure if houston's interested unless you take back Dalembert though. As long as Thabeet or Flynn weren't part of it, I'd explore something here.
Indiana: Bogut>Hibbert? IDK right now but don't think the Pacers would be interested. George and Hibbert for Bogut....that would be a trade
Clippers: Don't see anything here, I don't want Jordan(not with that contract anyway)
Lakers: Bynum? Gasol? their pick? Mavs pick? tpe? Meh I'll pass
Memphis: Nothing will happen here with Gasol on board, not sure there's anyone I want anyway..maybe Mayo
Miami: Of course they would love Bogut but can't get it done w/o trading one of the big 3. Bogut and Sova for Bosh? Done......
Minnesota: Derrick, Darko and a pick http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7dkgzvb Love, Bogut and Beasley front-court..........
New Jersey: Would Deron Williams be okay with Bogut? Lopez, Morrow, Petro, they have Houston's pick....nah let's move on.
New Orleans: Aminu? Henry? Gordon? Picks....Can't see the NBA okaying anything where the Hornets take back Bogut, they could be a 3rd team though.
New York: Nothing doing here
Oklahoma City: Can't see anything happening here, i wouldn't mind Ibaka as part of a deal though.
Orlando: Obviously this has been mentioned and I could see something happening in a multi-team deal but not straight up. Nothing on their roster makes me go...yeah I want him on the Bucks (other than Dwight but let's be realistic). Their pick might be good post trade though.
Philadelphia: Not really high on this one but Turner, Hawes and their pick for Bogut and Delfino? You would have Bird rights on Hawes and if Turner blossomed? Philly might be beast with this deal though. Never mind Hawes can't be traded I guess and I don't really want a tpe
Phoenix: Would have to be three team IMO, Nash goes somewhere, Phoenix gets Bogut and we get..........
Portland Wes matthews would be the only guy on their roster I would want so I don't see a trade there.
Sacramento: I like Jason Thompson but nothing else on their rosters excites me, they don't have a first either.
San Antonio: I like Splitter, Blair, Green, Neal, Leonard but the Spurs would need to lose more cap space than those guys could provide
Toronto: Bargs and TOs pick for Bogut? Tough call on our side but BC would have to be lynched if he made that deal.
Utah: Still like Burks, depends if you would want to take Favors back, I don't think the Jazz would want Bogut but they could be a 3rd team. They traded their own pick but have GS's top 7 protected.
Washington: I can't see anything happening with the Wiz......although Crawford and Seraphin might be good additions and Washingtons 2012 pick obvious.
By looking at all the scenarios I think if Bogut gets traded it will be a multi-team deal, probably involving DWill or Dwight Howard, I just can't see a team-team trade that makes sense for all parties.
Some feel we should keep Bogut and trade BJ, and likely BJ's trade value is at its highest in the last couple years so that might make sense or keep both of them and ride this team for better or worse. I might agree with that if i thought Udrih, Gooden or Jax had any trade value but i fear that's likely not the case.
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Here's a trade, involving parting w/ Bogut and the Nets getting D Howard
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7akj42m
Bucks get: Anthony Morrow, Brook Lopez
We’re replacing Bogues with Brook, who is currently younger and put up 20 and 10 last season. Losing Delfino, but get Morrow for compensation, he’s younger and is a true SG who can shoot.
Magic Get: Andrew Bogut, Mehmet Okur, Marshon Brooks, Damion James, Nets ’12 1st rd pick
They still have a really good center in the middle, plus a promising rookie (Brooks). James has a small contract and some upside. Okur is just an expiring contract that makes the deal work. PLus a 1st rd pick for them.
Nets get: Dwight Howard, Carlos delfino, Chris Duhon
They get their guy: Dwight Howard. He and Williams provide a duo of stars, and this ensures they will both resign long-term. Delfino is a good wing who can shoot and help them out. Duhon is a contract (3 more years 3 mi/yr) that they had to take on from the Magic.
What do you guys think?
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.
Thought about Morrow and Lopez
But I think I would want a pick as well to do that deal, who knows though, Hammond might go for that.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 21, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe get two 2nds
Im not sure we could get a 1st rounder in this trade, it’s possible (it would certainly be protected), but one or two 2nd rounders would be more likely.
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.
by BlackPack-fan on Jan 21, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take that for sure.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 21, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
It's a conversation starter
My issue is that Lopez is an awful rebounder (6.0 rpg last season) and I HATE centers who don’t rebound. He’s very talented, but for some reason he’s a non-factor in that department. If you add in a 1st and Brooks then I’d be happier to go for it, but I’m also worried by Lopez’s foot injury (bigs + foot injuries = scary) and his need for an extension.
by Frank Madden on Jan 21, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Could BJ and Brooks co-exist?
Like the fact that he has a better handle than Morrow and is not just a shooter but a backcourt with two heavy usage guys? (Checked to see if Andrew Toney and World B. Free ever played together in Philly but they missed each other.) Agreed with Lopez and the extension although if he improves he might be worth it? And I don’t think you make the deal until he’s back.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I'm just looking at it from a talent/asset perspective
I’m not sure what Brooks’ upside is—maybe he becomes a Nick Young type guy, which I’m not in love with but can at the very least provide value as a bench scorer. That’s worth something, though maybe it isn’t ideal next to Brandon. If that’s the case then at the very least you have another player of value who can be dealt elsewhere.
by Frank Madden on Jan 21, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not really worried about the foot
Maybe it’s because I don’t know enough about it, buut he didn’t miss a single game in his first 3 seasons, so if it weren’t for this one foot injury we would be talking about a “durable” big man.
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.
by BlackPack-fan on Jan 21, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
This is really intriguing
I keep looking at it expecting to see something that makes it a bad deal, something I missed every previous time I looked at it, but I haven’t found anything yet. I agree with Frank on the concern with Brook Lopez, both his foot and his rebounding, but he’s still an excellent offensive center and a capable shot-blocker. If the Bucks were going to acquire a first-round pick in this or a similar deal, it would be worth taking a long look at.
by Dan Sinclair on Jan 21, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like a first rounder that wasn't tied to the performance of the team we would send Bogut too.
If he goes to the right team, a direct pick might quickly become worthless.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 21, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
*send Bogut to.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 21, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'm on the other side
Lopez, until his foot injury, had appeared in every game in his first 3 seasons, that’s 246 straight games. Not as much risk with injuries in my opinion. Plus, while Bynum is a bit more of a ‘beast’ in the paint, grabbing more boards and more finishes at the rim, Brook avged 20 ppg last season.
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.
by BlackPack-fan on Jan 21, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Trade with the Wolves...
Somehow I’ve always through Brockman would end up on the Wolves…much like Madsen, Brian Cardinal, etc. Anyway,
The general perception of Bogut seems to be that he’s not going to regain what he once had, no? If so, I don’t think Wolves fans are generally going to be too excited about a Derrick Williams for Bogut centered trade. They seem to think he’s going to be the second coming of Lebron for some irrational reason. I see more of a Jeff Green 2.0 in him and I’d love to shore up the middle with Bogut. Bogut next to Love is a great pairing. The Bucks would need something in return to man the middle, as you suggest by throwing in Darko. Would you not want Pekovic instead? His rep is growing and Wolves’ fans love him. he’s not a good rebounder but as you saw last night (If you watched it on ESPN), Jordan couldn’t even stop him on the block. he’s a monster. He’ll likely never be more than a 25 minute a night guy but he’s finding his niche in the league.
Anyway, bounce back your thoughts, I’ll come back to read em. I’ll see what Wolves fans think of it. personally, I fycks with a defensive rotation of Bogut with Darko backing him up…If the Wolves trade Darko he’ll turn into an emotional mess again. There is no way he can start over with that hard-a$$ coach of ya’lls. He’ll be benched in no time.
Brockman fits with the Wolves, that's for sure
I was thinking Darko more as we would need a starter and not sure Pekovic would be that guy. I can’t see the Bucks doing the deal unless it’s Williams though, who else would we want.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 21, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Yea I'd agree there. No pulling a Beasley con on us. No Darko con either. Just...Kahn.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 21, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough...
Theoretically Darko is a starter. However, he is on permanent PMS and barely is able to get himself together to contribute more than every other game or so. When he does contribute, he’s a good center. When he doesn’t….we send in the Godfather, aka Pekovic.
I can’t see the Bucks doing the deal unless it’s Williams though, who else would we want.
Perhaps we’re on two different pages. At one point wasn’t there conversation of Bogut and the 10th pick for the 2 (Williams)? I was thinking Bogut for D-Charge (our affectionate name for him and his tendency to Lebron run people over) would be the basis of the trade. I’m a big Cap’n Jack fan too, and I know you all are not. Maybe we can work some way to get him to to MN (irrational from a bball perspective, I’m sure).
Personally i wouldn't mind Darko
If I didn’t need post scoring and had a legit #2 guy.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Sounds good then!
So we start with Derrick Williams and Bogut.
We have potentially Darko and Stack Jack. I’ll poke around to see what makes sense and then absolutely nothing will happen since I’m just an armchair GM with no powers to make trades!
Ya but it's fun
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
...and always the salary issue of trading 2 guys with combined annual $$ of $20mil...
…for two guys currently around the $6-7mil combined mark… ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 22, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Don't worry
I’m conjuring up other players to include and a way to expand it to a 3-team trade. As long as Bogut, Love, and Rubio are together I’m ok.
by Daddyfatsax on Jan 22, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Rubio, Ridnour, Jax, Love & Bogut...
…is a damn good starting five, Barea /Beasley/Randolph/Pekovic being a very good young, athletic base for a 2nd unit,depending on who else gets shipped out in the deal of course. However, don’t like the return from a Bucks perspective ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 22, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure the Wolves
Would part with Martell Webster
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
This is a good conversation to have
Thanks for posting, CB…reformatted the team names to make it a bit easier to read. You can debate whether the Bucks should consider trading Bogut, but given where the Bucks are I think you have no choice but to take inventory of your assets and figure out if there’s a way to build a winner with them or not. I don’t think there’s a simple solution for the Bucks either way, but I can’t help but root for Bogut to get his game together and help the team claw back to respectability.
The Horford idea is the really intriguing one to me because you get a similarly talented young player while likely improving your draft pick this year. I’m not sure the Bucks without Bogut would be bad enough to be a top five pick team, but anything’s possible, especially given that we still have’t figured out if the team is even decent with Bogut. That’s the most appealing rebuild scenario to me.
As for keeping Bogut
If I thought there was any chance of getting good assets out of Jackson, Gooden and Udrih(well maybe him but still)I would hang on to Bogut but I’d be really surprised if Jackson or Gooden have any trade value atm.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Ok idk what happened there
I’d keep Bogut if I thought I could get anything useable for Jackson, Gooden or Udrih(well maybe him) but I think the odds of that happening are really slim.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Agreed.
If you want a special asset (either a player or a lotto pick) then you essentially have Jennings, Bogut and future picks to work with. Leuer and Harris would also have some value, but it’s too early to expect them to carry much value given they weren’t high draft picks to begin with. Best to hold on to them IMO.
Among the teams cited, I think Utah and Minny are the other most intriguing trade partners aside from Atlanta. Utah has a ton of young/productive assets they could offer (namely Favors, Kanter, Millsap, Burks), while bringing Bogut back to Utah has both practical and off-court appeal for them. I’m not sure what to make of Derrick Williams yet, and I worry that he’ll never be the defender/rebounder you need to be a real superstar. But I think he has the skillset to be a really good PF—screw the idea of him playing SF.
by Frank Madden on Jan 21, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think Utah has too many big men as it is.
Two very productive vets (Millsap and Jefferson) and two very promising prospects (Favors and Kanter).
They need help at PG and SG, so I don’t really see them getting involved. Unless a third team brings a PG/SG or Brandon’s name comes up.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 21, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Bite your tongue on the last sentence
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
In exchange for the Adam Dunn moratorium, I will agree,
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 22, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Deal
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
But that got me thinking Steve
Do you lime this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7g7kn38
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Like not lime, typing in the dark 101
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Yea I do like that.
I’ve covered a couple Jazz games recently, and he’s been their best player during the surge. He’s dominating in the post right now.
Burks has gotten some burn, but he has been far more focused on his own drives than with creating for others. He can get by most NBA defenders, but I can’t tell his motives with his talent yet.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I'd have to give some more thought to that
But I really like Millsap and we all know about Burks…
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 25, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe if Millsap was younger it would be better
But then again we probably wouldn’t be winning games to begin with anyway. If we were going to give up Jennings that probably wouldn’t be the deal I would do.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 25, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Here's another Jazz/Bucks trade
We would need a first with this one I think
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7xp5pk2
Just to show that I’m not all about trading Bogut.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
This one is a no brainer to me.
I’d do it and then figure out how to ship out some of the Bucks PFs in the next move I make. The Bucks could give Livingston a full audition for starting PG (and I think he’d do quite well) and then plug Burks at SG
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
The guy who doesn't get enough trade discussion
Luc Richard Mbah A Moute
He’s never discussed as a trade option. He’ll be eligible in March b4 the deadline to be traded. Luc is the guy on our roster that has value to every team in the NBA, he’s got a long term team friendly contract, he’s young and skilled enough to be part of a rebuild and he’s big and skilled enough to contribute on a contender especially the contenders needing quality back-up bigs.
I’m sure its not far fetched to look at most of the names above and just trade Moute in a one for one. Moute for Mayo, works for sure. Moute for a mid-first, works for sure. Moute for Jordan Hill? Moute for Patrick Patterson? Moute for Robin Lopez? Moute for Jason Thompson? Moute for Splitter? Moute for Neal? Moute for Morrow? Moute for Mahinmi? Moute for Bledsoe? I’d even go as far as saying were no far apart from offering Moute for Beasley.
If all we want is a milddle of the 1st round pick or 2
trading Moute should be the 1st thing that comes to mind, I think any pick after 15 would be fair game.
I would trade Moute for the right deal
Thompson or Splitter might work, a bigger PF to pair with Bogut. None of the other ones would interest me for Luc straight up, I’m sure a lot of people on this list will disagree though.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I mean about even trading Luc
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
So let me get this straight?
You’d trade Bogut for Hill, Patterson, Courtney Lee, and the Rockets 1st (around 14th right now but with Bogut should just to maybe 17th, 18th), but you wouldn’t trade Moute for one most prized piece of that bunch which in your article was Patrick Patterson? I don’t get it at all. We’re still not going to be so bad that we get 1st overall pick without making an excessive amount of trades.
Ok, maybe I didn't explain that well
I meant I preferred Patterson over Hill and that if we were going to trade with houston those are some of the pieces I would be interested in. I think the pick is the Knicks so it would be about there yes. it would not be my preferred trade, i like Horford for bogut better, or the minny scenario, or getting something from utah even. part of my reasoning is that I feel Bogut is on a decline, I don’t feel the same for Luc, however I would trade him if the rfight offer came along as I wasn’t in favour of matching in the first place.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I would do Splitter + pick (any pick) in a heartbeat.
Plus, as I mentioned sometime last season, I just love the name Tiago Splitter!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 22, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Trading Bogut for Horford accomplishes two very important things IMO
1. Milw gets a slighty younger, slightly better [at least offensively], definitely more durable version of Bogut.
2. It puts them in tank mode – without appearing to be tanking, at least to the average fan – while giving them a very good shot at a top 5 pick in a supposedly deep draft.
Otherwise, it’s yet another trip to NBA hell for our beloved Bucks….
Well I guess this topic can be squashed.
If/when he comes back he has absolutely no value to anyone anymore IMO. He’s just completely injury prone whether it’s one thing or the other.
Grillax people
He will always have some value
people overrate bigs so I am sure there will always be a buyer. But ya, side is closed temporarily.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I don't think so
Either way, Bucks need to make some trades either for a rebuild or trade for win-now, but please don’t stand pat. I’m sure there are still Bogut suitors, even right now, the asking price has significantly decreased tho. I think I might consider trading him for simply an expiring contract, I think the Hawks would talk if we offered Bogut for Heinrich+fillers and their lotto protected pick.
Jackson's the one who needs to go!!
Trade Stephon Jackson, Larry Sanders and Jon Brockman for Chris Kaman. Jackson is a Cancer and the Bucks will be better off without him (2-0 when Jackson hasen’t played). Sanders and Brockman just aren’t used enough to keep around. Bogut is still a key part of this team, only 1-6 without him this year. Yeah he’s struggled offensively but so have allot of players due to the strike and condensed season. As for injuries it’s just dumb luck for the big Aussie. You can’t replace his defense and basketball I.Q. in the paint. There’s not a better defensive center in the league.
The only questioon I have for that is...
Why would NO pursue that trade? I probably would do it from a Bucks standpoint but NO would be giving up around 10m in 2012 cap space in order to get Larry Sanders?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Im guessing
more likely than not NO will wait until that February 12th deadline so that they can make a multiplayer deal with kaman. If the that’s the case than there is a chance we can get him, but I don’t see the Hornets doing a deal without giving up too much.
We would have to give them something big like Ersan, Livingston, Delfino to compete with other offers
by Charlie_Buckets on Jan 29, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions

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