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Possible Bucks Trades

Canada Bucks just put up a post discussing the possibility of trading Andrew Bogut, and that got me thinking that maybe a move should be made. I started using NBA trade machine, and I'm hooked. So I went ahead and devised some trades that I think make sense for all teams involved, and thanks to the trade machine the salaries all fit to make the deals financially possible.




TRADE #1

This one I actually put in a comment on Canada's post, and got a few replies. Most seemed to like the trade, but were a bit concerned about Lopez's foot, and wanted draft picks to go along with it (Hint: late addition).

It's a 3-team deal, in which Bogut is dealt, as well as superstar centerpiece Dwight Howard. See the trade after the jump...

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7akj42m

Bucks get: Brook Lopez, Anthony Morrow, NJ '14 1st rd pick


We’re replacing Bogues with Brook, who is currently younger and put up 20 and 6 last season. He's currently nursing a foot injury, but I'm not too worried about his long term health if his foot checks out OK. Keep in mind he didn't miss a single game in his first 3 seasons in the NBA. We're losing Delfino, but get Morrow for compensation, he’s younger and is a true SG who can shoot.

Magic Get: Andrew Bogut, Mehmet Okur, Marshon Brooks, NJ '12 1st rd pick


They still have a really good center in the middle, plus a promising rookie (Brooks). James has a small contract and some upside. Okur is just an expiring contract that makes the deal work. Plus a 1st rd pick for them, in what many consider one of the strongest drafts in recent memory.


Nets Get: Dwight Howard, Carlos Delfino, Chris Duhon


They get their guy: Dwight Howard. He and Williams provide a duo of stars, and this ensures they will both resign long-term. Delfino is a good wing who can shoot and help them out, but he will be a Free Agent this offseason. Duhon is a contract (3 more years 3 mi/yr) that they had to take on from the Magic, whom likely were eager to get rid of it.

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Would Brook make a good Buck?




TRADE #2

This one involves Bogut once again, but in this case, he doesn't have to relocate all that far from home.

It's just a 2-team trade, between us and the T-Wolves.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qzx5fe

Bucks Get: Darko Milicic, Wes Johnson, Anthony Randolph

The main course of the Bucks' in-haul in Wes Johnson, the young former Top 5 pick Wing player. Randolph is also a good young player at PF who really came on late last season, and Milicic is a decent center with good shot blocking ability.

Timberwolves Get: Andrew Bogut, Carlos Delfino

The Wolves get an upgrade at Center over Milicic, and now have a superb front court with Love and Bogut. Meanwhile, Delfino provides an experienced wing on a team with arguably TOO much youth.



TRADE #3

This trade is all about the Warriors getting Dwight, and the Bucks and Magic restructuring their rosters and picking up draft picks.

A 3-team deal, Bucks, Warriors, Magic.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=88bh4oc

Bucks Get: Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Ekpe Udoh (PF), GS '12 2nd rd pick

It's a Jennings-Curry swap to head the deal, which is debatable considering Curry's recurring ankle injuries, but he's undoubtedly a great player when on the floor. Rookie Klay Thompson and his shooting stroke make their way East, as well as a young, promising PF in Udoh.

Warriors Get: Dwight Howard, Brandon Jennings, Drew Gooden

The Warriors get a franchise centerpiece in Dwight Howard, and also receive a young promising point guard in Jennings, whom is better than Curry for the short-term considering he's been healthy. Gooden is a contract the Bucks were glad to get rid of, but Gooden isn't all that bad and can play both PF and C.

Magic Get: Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, Ersan Ilyasova, GS '12 1st rd pick

The Magic wisely traded Howard knowing he would bolt in free agency, and in the process pick up a valuable Center in Biedrins, along with a 25 ppg scorer in Ellis. Ilyasova is a good stretch 4, but he will be a free agent this summer. They also pick up a 1st round pick, and two selections in the 2nd round.



TRADE #4

Could Jennings be on the move? Kobe apparently needs someone to dish him the ball, Fisher simply won't do.

Another 3-team deal, the Jazz being the 3rd team linking the Bucks to the Lakers.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ero9cn

Bucks Get: Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, Gordon Hayward, LAL '12 1st rd pick, UTAH 2nd rd pick

Devin Harris returns home to Wisconsin, where he brings his 15-ppg 8-apg with him. Favors is a young promising big, a former #3 pick with size and toughness, and a developing offensive game. Hayward doesn't appear like he will ever live up to being a Top 10 pick, but he's still young and at the least is a good shooter and rebounding guard. The 1st rd pick is a bonus that makes the deal more attractive, but keep in mind it will be a selection in the late 20s, not the lottery.

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This deal would bring Harris back to Wisconsin, where he attended college.

Lakers Get: Brandon Jennings, Paul Millsap, Drew Gooden

The Lakers sacrifice a bit of their future (two 1sts, two 2nds) through draft picks, but they finally get a good PG to play with Kobe. Not to mention Millsap is a good and undervalued PF. Gooden is a contract the Bucks wanted off their hands and the Lakers had to take it with the deal.

Jazz Get: Pau Gasol, Beno Udrih, Ersan Ilyasova, Devin Ebanks, LAL '14 1st rd pick, LAL two 2nd rd picks

The Jazz want more of an impact offensive player than Millsap, and Gasol is just that. He's locked up for 3 more seasons, so the hope would be Alec Burks improves, so Burks, Gasol, and Jefferson provide a "Big 3". Udrih is a fill in PG with starting talent because Harris is leaving. Ilyasova is a rental unless he's resigned, Ebanks is a young forward with considerable upside, and the picks included make the deal better.




TRADE #5

Here's a fairly simple trade, involving only 3 players and one draft pick.

It's 2-team deal between Milwaukee and the Griz.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lanw2l

Bucks Get: O.J. Mayo

A SG with natural scoring ability should be attractive to a team that is offensively challenged on all nights that Jennings doesn't play well. Mayo could be a 20-pt per night scorer if he got out of the Grizzlies' crowded backcourt.

Grizzlies Get: Jon Leuer, Carlos Delfino, 1st rd pick ('12 top 14 protected, '13 top 10 protected, '14 top 8 protected, '15 unprotected)

Mayo gets out of that crowded backcout in which his scoring ability was undervalued. Meanwhile, the Griz get a good-looking rookie that provides front line depth, and a expiring contract in Delfino, as well as a protected 1st round pick from the Bucks.

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OJ Mayo could be a Buck. I'm on board.

Thanks for reading, ideas for trades are completely welcome in the comments, I love to discuss. And vote in the poll as well.

Poll
Which trade would you most want the Bucks to make (or be part of)?
Trade 1
30 votes
Trade 2
7 votes
Trade 3
10 votes
Trade 4
20 votes
Trade 5
54 votes

121 votes | Poll has closed

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I’d rank the trades(my opinion) in descending order to be 1,5,3,4,2 with 4 and 2 being no way. One and 5 I would likely do and 3 I’m kind of meh on.

1. Good with the pick although 2012 would be better
2. Don’t want Wes and this trade could be really ugly.
3. Not fussy on Udoh but the other guys are ok, getting rid of Gooden is nice
4. Favors is really the only guy I want so I’d say no
5. I’m not sold on Leuer being more than a 10-15 mpg guy so I probably would as long as the pick is protected

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 22, 2012 4:56 PM CST reply actions  

I did have some fun.

I can see how you could dislike #2, cause if your not convinced Johnson will amount to anything special, then it’s not a great deal. I wouldn’t do trade #2, it was just a deal that worked and I thought the Wolves would be interested in Bogut. But I think #4 is a great deal. Besides Favors whom we both agree is a great chip, Harris is a good PG and Hayward is really versatile and provides shooting. He’s like what Delfino is to us now, except he’s younger. Plus that 1st rd pick from the Lakers is nice.

But I agree, 1 and 5 are probably the best deals for us.

Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.

by BlackPack-fan on Jan 22, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

enjoyed this. My thoughts

-I love the trade machine.

-I love the trade for Mayo, but honestly i like Tony Allen too and we probably wouldn’t have to give up the draft pick to get him.

-Any trade that gets rid of Drew Gooden i am happy with, but no one’s gonna eat that contract unless the Bucks except an exchange an equally terrible contract (a Josh Childress-esque situation)

-In order for me to be happy with a Bogut trade we would need to receive a defensively dominant big man in return. Bogut’s defensive presence is essential to the Bucks’ success. He clogs the lane which prevents the other defenders from over-commiting on drives, leaving the kicks wide open.

Also, how do you guys feel about trading for a Brandon Bass/Glen Davis type? i know Davis is a no-trade option right now, but another big guy at 4 would be great as their are far too many mid-rangePFs on the team (Gooden/Ilyasova/Leuer).

this worked:
Bass for Ilyasova/Leuer. The Celtics need scorers and youth. Bass would make a great addition to the Bucks front court.

by Charlie_Buckets on Jan 22, 2012 6:24 PM CST reply actions  

I like trade 3.

You get some legitimate shooters in Curry and Thompson. I think this team needs consistent offense. Shooting. Udoh is big guy that can play some defense and the 2nd round pick. You get rid of Gooden. I think Curry is a good trade off for Jennings.

by senelcoolidge on Jan 22, 2012 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

I'm just not sold on Udoh

I’d like to get Thompson for sure though.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 22, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a bit like Sanders

Probably not as many stupid looking plays that make you shake your head, but same deal. I just think he’s a decent addition onto the end of the trade since he has a high cieling.

Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.

by BlackPack-fan on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade 3

A Curry/Bogut tandem is an upgrade on a BJ/Bogut duo. Thompson is an upgrade on Ersan due to his youth and ceiling. Udoh is a maybe/maybe not piece that is mostly irrelevant in this trade. I’d be happy taking on Curry’s ankle provided we keep Livingston/Beno (though Livingston mostly).

DO NOT WANT BROOK LOPEZ!!!!!!!!!!

BTW – my Bucks fandom (can’t speak for other BH Aussies) does not rely on Bogut staying with the team (was a Bucks fan in the 90s, just lapsed for 6-7 years B4 Bogut), but I would still prefer he be a Buck until he is at least 30. The only current centers I would want over Bogut are Howard and Monroe, so any Bogut trade would have to involve either one of these guys for me to reluctantly, semi-happily see him traded away.

Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 22, 2012 10:30 PM CST reply actions  

None

I don’t like any of them.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 22, 2012 11:38 PM CST reply actions  

Why?

because they all undervalue our players.

Not talking to MN about Bogut without talking Williams,
not talking about trading Jennings at all at this moment,
not talking about trading Bogut with the Nets,
way to much for Mayo,

by FearTheDeer on Jan 22, 2012 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't agree on way too much for Mayo

Don’t really like giving up the pick but Delfino is likely on his last year here and Leuer while a good story, may never be more than a 10mpg guy. Mayo can score.

Not sure we are undervaluing Bogut, the way he has played this year is worrisome, if the drop-off continues you’re left with squat. It’s a gamble for sure though.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 23, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Mayo

Mayo won’t be a Buck or a Grizzly next season even with this trade which is why he’s being overvalued. I’m not giving a pick or Leuer which are long term pieces for Mayo who is a one year patch up job.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 23, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Well maybe it's a moot point
Truth is, Griz management isn’t seriously thinking of dealing Mayo nor is his possible, restricted free-agent status this summer a major concern. Mayo likely will remain with the Griz this season because of his productivity and the Grizzlies’ ability to control his future with the right of first refusal on contract offers. Although Mayo is eligible to negotiate a long-term contact extension with Memphis by Wednesday, the Griz aren’t compelled to agree to a deal or trade him at the moment. “It remains to be seen whether something happens or not,” Griz general manager Chris Wallace said about a Mayo contract extension. “If it doesn’t happen I wouldn’t read much into it. We didn’t extend Rudy and resigned him. It’s a floating situation. I wouldn’t say (Mayo) is a lock to be with us after this year and I wouldn’t say he isn’t. There’s so much ground to be covered between now and July.” Memphis Commercial Appeal

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 23, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

3 and 4 are the interesting ones to me

I’m not bending over backwards to trade Brandon right now (though maybe I should given his value is probably edging higher), but I think Favors has incredible physical talents, Harris can still play, and Hayward could still be a quality player if he sorts out his jumper.

The Warrior deal is largely a referendum on Jennings/Curry, and over their first two seasons Steph has been the better player He’s also a bit older and has had some durability questions, but he’s such a lights-out shooter and smart player that assuming good health I can’t see him being anything less than a high quality player for a long time. The peripheral benefit of dealing Gooden is also nice.

Don’t really like Lopez, so that deal doesn’t seem like a step forwards to me. Ditto the Wolves deal—I don’t think Johnson is anything special. He seems more like a throw-in type guy given his age and lack of obvious productivity so far. I would absolutely want to pry Williams out of them if we were to give up Bogut.

by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 9:02 AM CST reply actions  

Trade 3 I would do a million times over.

And I don’t even like Klay Thompson.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 1:25 PM CST reply actions  

Trade 2 I start cutting eye holes in a paper bag

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed with #2

Is the allure to #3:

1. Getting rid of Gooden
2. You likey Jenning for Curry
3. 1&2 combined
4. You really feel Ekpe udoh is an emerging star

I’m guessing 3

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 23, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Curry is really good (ankles worries me, but don't get a lot of shots at a PG of his caliber at this age)

Udoh is part of some good defensive lineups in GS, and might be a developing defensive presence on the interior. Don’t think his offense will ever be much, but strikes me as an old school power forward playing d, grabbing boards, getting clean up baskets around the rim.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade 2 would essentially be a tank-quick trade

Hard for me to decide whether I’d do 3 or 4. 3 is probably a safer one because you already have a proven player in Curry, but depending on how you see Favor doing 4 would work, but I’m not sure you want to take that gamble for Jennings. Plus, I don’t like Jennings on the Lakers for selfish reasons….:)

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Klay for his catch and shoot

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 23, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade 3

would not work for Orlando. D12 for Beidrens, Ellis, and Ilyasova (and GS ‘12 pick which has already been traded to Utah) sounds like one of the worst hauls they’ve been offered.

Nor does it work for Golden State who basically sacrificed their entire team for Jennings and D12 (Curry, Ellis, Thompson, Udoh, Biedrens, 1st, 2nd) who will leave next year because Jennings/Rush//Wright/Lee/D12 is worse than Orlando’s current roster.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 23, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Just lettin everyone know

Im not necessarily on board for all of these trades, they are just ones I made up. I would not do trade #2, and I didn’t realize Mayo would be a FA this summer, so now I wouldn’t do #5. But the other 3 I would either take for sure or use some of time to think about, and likely would take it.

Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.

by BlackPack-fan on Jan 23, 2012 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

He restricted though

You can match any offer

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 23, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Snap, didn't see that either

Gotta have all the details. Either way it lowers his value just a bit, but the fact that the pick is protected until ’15 makes it a good trade either way IMO.

Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.

by BlackPack-fan on Jan 23, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously though, big thanks for thinking this stuff through

Even if the parameters have to be tweaked, it’s great to see some possible deals that actually work under the cap just for discussion purposes. Good way to discuss what we would or would not want to consider—and I think it’s also interesting to see how we all compare in terms of what we are/aren’t willing to do.

by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Your welcome.

I had some fun with this, and like you said it’s a great way to discuss options.

Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.

by BlackPack-fan on Jan 26, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Love Trade 4 on the ESPN Link

It has Enes Kanter in the place of Gordon Hayward…Sign me up for that one.

Of the rest of them, I still like 4 and 5. As stated in the thread though, trade 5 won’t happen. Trade 4 is still a good option and solidifies the front court (especially the PF position, which has certainly been an issue in recent years). Hayward and Harris are useful players that would make the Bucks well rounded although less explosive team (without Jennings). It would also make it clear where to improve in the future with a wing (or two) being a primary need. This trade, however, would be ripped across the league as the Lakers fleecing both the Bucks and the Jazz considering the initial returns just like the CP3 to the Lakers deal.

by Brewcityhoya13 on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 AM CST reply actions  

I like this trade the best

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6003295

Allows the Bucks to get a younger, slighty better C IMO – while allowing them to tank this yr – and hopefully get a top 5 pick… All without appearing to tank to the casual fan

by victor s on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

Horford

It would appear to be a tank to anybody who knows we just traded for a guy who’s out for the season, but I agree this is a great trade for the franchise.

However, if the Bucks classified Horford as a C, I’d be pissed already. Another example that this team doesn’t know what their doing. The whole point of getting Horford is to have a dominant PF, if he’s not going to play PF here, I don’t want him period.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 24, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That's kinda the point of trading Bogut... getting a C in return.

I’m pretty sure Horford played mainly at C for Atl. and made an all-star team.

by victor s on Jan 24, 2012 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

And every year he and his dad tell ATL that he’s a PF and should be playing PF, so finally last year they grabbed Collins and Horford has been playing his true position PF ever since.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 24, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The point of trading Bogut should be to start rebuilding first and foremost

And that doesn’t dictate that we have a complete lineup, let alone a center comparable to Bogut.

by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 25, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, Jacob. Well said, my friend.

I could care less whether he’s a true PF or C – he’s an upgrade over Bogut, and would allow Milw to land a top 5 pick [unless they get screwed in the lottery]

If milw can somehow land a scoring SG/SF, they’d have a nice “big 3” w/ BJ & Horford

by victor s on Jan 25, 2012 5:23 PM CST reply actions  

Sounds like...

Hammond who also doesn’t care about the difference between back-up C and PF so now we have no back-up C at all. If we are going to rebuild, rebuild the team right. Of course we trade for Horford, he possesses ideal PF size and skill but if we decide to play him at C, we’d be doing it wrong all over again.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 25, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=77uy57r

This is what I came up with just messing around. Obviously at first glance this looks kind of crazy. When you break it down though I think it helps all teams involved. The prize here is obviously Rudy Gay. A young player with a great upside who is a proven scorer. The combo of Love, and Gay with Rubio in Minnesota is a great start for this franchise. Really just need a center.

The Memphis side of it. Their prize is Derrick Williams. I think this kid is going to be a star. That would be the most dominate front court the league has ever seen. I respect Zach Randolph a whole lot but I think Williams will end up being better. And hes younger. So having Randolph as a trade piece is an amazing asset to them. And they could really go get a top level guard they they could put next to Conley. I dont know who but Im sure theres some contending team that would love to have ZR. Maybe ZR for James Harden and some pieces. Having Westbrook, Durant, and Randolph would be amazing and the Grizz having Williams, Harden, and Gasol I think both teams are set big time for the future. And they have Stephen Jackson for the time being too.

And of course the Bucks. Beasley and Mayo arent huge scorers. But they have great upside and really would put this team in position for a bright future. The starting line up of Jennings, Mayo, Johnson, Beasley and Bogut could be dangerous a few years down the road.

Obviously Im no expert but I fail to see how every team doesnt benefit. This trade is pretty much 100% unlikely but its fun to look at.

Tell me what you think and where it could be changed.

by Collin B on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 AM CST reply actions  

For the Grizzlies and Timberwolves, this is a no brainer

For Memphis, I like the potential duo of Derrick Williams and Tobias Harris, and Jackson should replace what Mayo offers in the short-term. For Minnesota, they get the undeniable Gay-Rubio-Love threesome (lol, double entendre) that would actually give them a shot at something.

For the Bucks, this would be terrible. Each player has individual skills that shine, but Jennings, Mayo, and Beasley simply need to shoot the ball far too much to co-exist peacefully. Furthermore, the strong personalities of these three could create a situation even more volatile than what we have now, which would be bad.

Also, the Bucks essentially give up on two prospects (Sanders and Harris) that show a lot of promise to get players that are known quantities and have a limited ceiling for improvement (more talking about Mayo than Beasley, but I don’t share the faith in either as a major player on a winning team). We’re also putting all our faith in Bogut, Leuer, Ilyasova, and Gooden in the front court, which scares me.

Basically, this is a Hammonds trade. We need a Hammond trade if we want to collect some pieces to pair with Jennings and Bogut.

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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 26, 2012 5:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Not a fan

I think Memphis is really jeopardizing their now for their future with this trade, but it’s a risk that they should take. Minny is giving up a lot for just Rudy Gay coming off a season ending injury. Bucks are not getting much return because they are highly likely to either lose or overpay both Mayo and Beasley this offseason, leaving Wes Johnson as the best piece of this trade for Harris/Sanders/Jackson.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Bucks POV

No thank you, it’s a large price for giving up Jackson who has only 1 more year anyway and I really don’t want Wes

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 26, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's the trade I would do:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7anb8g9

Pros: Ships out Stephen Jackson and Drew Gooden’s contracts, gets something for Ilyasova (who’s leaving anyway), the ability to amnesty Lewis’ contract in the offseason, clears out the PF logjam (thus allowing more time for Leuer, Harris, Sanders), adds Singleton, a versatile wing defender (like LRMaM) who can shoot (not like LRMaM), the probability of a losing season and a high draft pick in a draft loaded with potential stars, the ability to build around said star without losing pieces like Jennings, Harris, Leuer, Bogut, Sanders, or Livingston

Cons: Guys, we are going to lose a LOT the rest of this year. The starting 5 would have to be Jennings/Delfino/Lewis/Mbah a Moute/Bogut, with bench minutes going to Livingston, Dunleavy, Udrih, Harris, Leuer, Singleton, and Sanders. Kohl would still have to pay Lewis his money after using the amnesty clause, which would be similar to the luxury tax in terms of how many dollars are leaving his pockets. There’s no guarantee it makes the Wizards better, who add another chucker to the Nick Young/John Wall/Jordan Crawford/Andray Blatche/JaVale McGee freakshow.

What do you all think?

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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 26, 2012 5:51 AM CST reply actions  

Washington would be crazy to do that

And I’d rather get a true 4.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 26, 2012 6:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the team has a higher ceiling

playing small-ball with people like Mbah a Moute, Harris, or Leuer at the 4 spot. But this is also assuming we find a decent scorer in the draft, which is honestly why I would fight for this trade.

Plus, Washington needs to get rid of some of their pieces, that environment is too toxic to keep them all around.

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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 26, 2012 7:30 AM CST up reply actions  

It's funny because I briefly thought about advocating

A Bogut and Jax for Lewis, a tank job for sure.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 26, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope

Simple and plain, Bucks COULD NOT amnesty Lewis in the offseason or ever. Washington COULD NOT amnesty either Gooden or Jackson ever. A player has to be on the roster before the new CBA to be an amnesty candidate. 100% deal breaker.

In addition, who is noticeably rebuilding lost Chris Singleton, a rebuilding piece for nothing. In fact they’ve hurt their rebuild by taking on bad contracts that they can not amnesty for more years.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 26, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you sure that they can't use the amnesty clause on a traded player?

If that is the case, then scrap my whole idea, not worth it.

http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.

by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Truth

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 26, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Oops.

Let’s pretend this never happened.

http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.

by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 26, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

What?

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 27, 2012 6:13 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78vzmka

Not earth shaking by any means but I think this helps both teams, Milwaukee needs a back-up C and Houston needs a starting SF. Houston gets the far better player who also saves them money, so they take on Brockman for the Bucks. Houston declined Thabeet’s Team Option yesterday therefore Thabeet will be a UFA at seasons end.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 26, 2012 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

I'm at work and the filter doesn't like ESPN

What’s the whole deal? I’m guessing Sova and Brockman for Thabeet?

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 26, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Deal

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 26, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Ew

Larry Sanders offers the same skills on defense, better offense. Give me Larry over Thabeet every day of the week.

http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.

by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 26, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Deals off anyways IMO

This isn’t about liking the player, it’s about needing a back-up C and an open roster spot. Sanders will foul out nightly in 20 minutes. Then its right back to good ol Drew.

Bogut out indefinitely means we should throw in the towel as far as improvement anyways imo. Bucks could take this as a blessing in disguise and tank this season get a top pick and hope to pair him with Bogut and Jennings next year.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 27, 2012 6:35 AM CST up reply actions  

To choke Skiles?

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 29, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

If he brings the Pigtail-Dreads fashion back with him,

Then sure.

Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.

by BlackPack-fan on Jan 30, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

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