Hawks vs. Bucks Preview: Milwaukee Sets Sights On First Three-Game Winning Streak Of The Season
by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 12:38 PM CST
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| 2011/2012 NBA Season | ||
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| 12-5 (4-4 away) | 6-9 (4-1 home) |
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| January 23, 2012 | ||
| Bradley Center, Milwaukee, WI |
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| 7:00 PM CT |
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| Radio: 620 WTMJ TV: FSN Wisconsin |
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| Probable starters: | ||
| Jeff Teague | PG | Brandon Jennings |
| Joe Johnson |
SG | Shaun Livingston |
| Marvin Williams | SF | Carlos Delfino |
| Josh Smith | PF | Jon Leuer |
| Zaza Pachulia | C | Andrew Bogut |
| (9th) 106.2 - OFFENSE - 99.9 (23rd) |
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| (5th) 98.5 - DEFENSE - 102.2 (17th) |
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| (23rd) 90.1 - PACE - 92.4 (13th) | ||
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The Milwaukee Bucks haven't had a four-game winning streak since beating the Philadelphia 76ers on April 9th during the 2009-10 season. That's simply too long ago. However, if the Bucks hope to erase that gap and claim another such streak, they first need to secure a three-game winning streak in 2011-12. After Hawks center Al Horford suffered a season-ending injury (torn pectoral) in a loss to the Indiana Pacers, the Hawks ripped off their own four-game winning streak and have won five of their last six games. To even get to three in a row will not be easy for the Bucks.
"Everybody knows there ain't nothing to do in Milwaukee, man. Everybody knows that, (even) the people that live there." Ah yes, the immortal words of Atlanta Hawks forward Josh Smith uttered prior to Game 3 in the first round of the 2010 Eastern Conference Playoffs. Although Squad 6 will surely have some choice words for J-Smoove on Monday night, I think I will let the stats do the talking here:
Josh Smith In Milwaukee Since Bashing The City (Five Games, Including Playoffs)
| Pts/GM | Reb/GM | Ast/GM | TOV/GM | FG% | 3PT% | TS% |
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| 12.8 | 9.6 | 1.0 | 3.3 | 37.88% | 18.18% | 42.78% |
"Now's the time to roll the barrel, for the gang's all here." If you don't know these lyrics, then there is a very good chance you have never attended a Milwaukee Brewers home game. Anyways, the point to be made here is that the Bucks finally have their full compliment of players. The inactive list has otherwise played out like a tortured game of Whack-A-Mole in the early portion of 2011-12. Beat back Tobias Harrris' strange bout with dehydration? Udrih goes down with a shoulder injury and Mike Dunleavy misses time with a lingering groin injury. Luc Mbah a Moute finally comes back from a knee tendinitis issue? Stephen Jackson oversleeps and gets suspended. The Sunday night win over the Miami Heat marked the first time Scott Skiles actually had everyone at his disposal. Those pesky moles have gone back into their holes....for now. The roster boasted great depth coming into this compressed season, but it has yet to really surface as an asset. Let's see what this Bucks team can do now that everyone is on board and able to contribute. In other words, "now's the time to roll the barrel, for the gang's all here."
Where Does Jon Leuer Fit In? In the last two games, rookie second round pick Jon Leuer has played seven minutes and five minutes, respectively. Perhaps Skiles didn't like the matchups with Amare Stoudemire and Chris Bosh, but the trend is worth watching. Skiles is a coach who often preaches that performance begets playing time, but Leuer has done little wrong with the opportunities he has been given. With Ersan Ilyasova putting together a nice performance of the bench against the Heat, LRMAM taking more minutes at PF and Drew Gooden still lingering as the uh...veteran...pick-and-pop option, the PF logjam is in full effect. Skiles should make an effort to find meaningful minutes for Leuer, but it won't be easy.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." In response to Stephen Jackson's one-game suspension after oversleeping in New York, Scott Skiles turned to Shaun Livingston as his starting shooting guard. The move has worked out extremely well. Livingston had provided great passing, heady off-ball cuts to help move the defense, a dangerous mid-post package and two very efficient performances as a fill-in at SG. Brandon Jennings has put together two very strong performances with Livingston at his side, but will Stephen Jackson accept a role coming off the bench if it proves to be better for the team? Well, it will please you to know that the words at the top of the paragraph belong to the man himself. When asked how he felt about the starting lineup and his new role off the bench after the win in Miami, S-Jax focused on the right thing in his response: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Who Is Going To Stop Joe Johnson? Hawks guard Joe Johnson has scored at least 20 points in six of his last eight games, and now that Atlanta is without Al Horford, the offense leans heavily on Johnson for points. The Bucks have plenty of talented perimeter defenders to toss at him, so it will be very interesting to see how Skiles wants to matchup with Johnson and Josh Smith. It might tell us a bit about what he thinks Leuer and Livingston are capable of going forward in terms defensive matchups.
Brandon Jennings Doin' Work. Ever since a 7 point performance on 3-11 shooting in a blowout loss to the Philadelpha 76ers, Brandon Jennings has been on an absolute tear. He has averaged nearly 30 points per game over those three contests, hitting 48.5% FG, 35.7%3PT and racking up a spectacular 59.6% TS. If he can keep this up all season he will make a believer out of everyone. It's impossible to not be excited about what he will do next.
Zaza Is Back! Didn't really have much more here. Just always thought Zaza was kind of cool.
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"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Awesome
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 1:45 PM CST reply actions
goin to the BC tonite, full of hope
this has been an exciting weekend, renewing my hope/belief in this year’s Bucks. First time I get to see them in person since the return of Mbah a Moute. I’m goin w/ my hopes up… [don’t let me down, boys…]
Enjoy the game.
Hopefully the Bucks make that very easy to do.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
If you happen to be somewhat near the players
you can shout a " Vamos, Cabeza!" (Go on, big head) to Delfino. :)
Thanks
Now you put the “Dora the Explorer” song in my head.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
It is/was a cartoon from Nickleodeon
Aimed at spanish speaking Americans, if I knew how to add pics, I would
It started out something like:
come on vamanos
Everybody let’s go
etc. etc
So vamos led me to vamanos
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
will he enjoy or be insulted?
since I sit right behind the Bucks bench, I could do this, but would he be pleased or offended? Is this an inside joke?
Or maracon
He might like that nickname
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
No, Jane, he will be pleased
In fact, his twitter is @cabezadelfino. On the contrary, with Canada´s ¨maracon¨ (maricon, in fact) he will be truly offended: you¨ll be calling him pussy or something alike
You can try also a risk free ¨Vamos , Lancha¨, other of his Argentinean nicks.
Busted :(
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
CB, are you anti-women?
We only have one proclaimed woman here and your gaming her? Whatever will she think?
I used to hear “maricon” a lot when I was with the migrant farmworkers union. (As an English-only dumb college kid.) They called me Flaco.
Getting back to business. I hope she things that your game, which was bound to be unmasked in a minute or two, just showed that our spirit of hijinks extends to all.
Canada is just anti-Delfino, I believe
But without him, Brewhoops would be a duller place, don´t you think, Flaco?
Flaco dice si
AntiDelfino? That’s like being anti rice & beans. (good rice & beans)
wasn't sure
you’d let me get away with “hijinks”. Do they use that word in the 21st century? Do they use it at Harvard?
by unklchuk on Jan 23, 2012 5:56 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
For the record i am not anti delfino
In limited minutes, just didn’t think he deserved 30+ a game last yeart
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 23, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Thought this was a funny quote
Courtesy of HoopsHype
Shane Battier, a Duke graduate, was very much a part of the Heat’s overall clunkiness, and he properly called the game a clunker for the Heat, who had won three straight home games against strong opposition. In this usage, it should be assumed, Battier was comparing the game to a battered and broken down old car. "I don’t even know what that means," James said when asked to affirm Battier’s diagnosis. "Shane has words I’ve never heard, maybe it’s a college word." ESPN.com
LeBron never ceases to amaze me.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Man, that's a dumb sounding phrase, "Shane has words I've never heard,"
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Ok so that changes your opinion of Lebron?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Well, I always knew he is an idiot...
Just wasn’t sure he is stupid.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
What I didn't know is that he's stupid.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
^^^^^^^^^^^
I’m stupid, too :(
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Someone should have asked him what specific words he's never heard
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Um what does specific mean
Is that a University word?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
It's one of those words those rich kids learn at Harvard.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
If you pronounced either "r"
You’re not rich enough to go there
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Then everyone from Boston should be able to go
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
(My apologies to Harvard Alumni Frank)
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
No offense taken
Now you’ll have to excuse me—I’m going to go change into my smoking jacket and pour myself some expensive brandy before I flip on the game.
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Btw, “college words” might be my new favorite phrase, especially in reference to something as slangy as “clunker”…
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, at least he's modest
….About certain things.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Changes my opinion?
Probably raises it a bit. I’m a softie for folks who were deprived education as a kid.
Maybe his missteps in personal publicity have something to do with not being at all polished.
He does a hell of a lot better at making a living and being the best at what he does than I do.
That’s for sure. College degrees notwithstanding.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
I can't think of any compelling reasons for LBJ to have gone to college
If you’re the consensus #1 pick then you should go pro, especially if you’re not coming from money.
I can kinda understand someone like Luck staying given he comes from money and may not start as a rookie anyway, but for LeBron? Get paid, son.
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Right
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't mean you can't work on it after
Means and opportunity is certainly there
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 23, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if you're a many-times-millionaire
And you have to work hard to keep your entourage from stealing some of those millions. And all the women in your life tell you you’re perfect just as you are. And your ego sees no need for improvement. Then a slightly-lazy person might not find the time.
D12 to Knicks
Has everyone heard the rumour? Chandler and Stats to the magic for Howard and?(Hedo?)
Interesting.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Doesn't make much sense to me. One of the problems the Knicks have had is an incompatibility with Amare and Chandler.
Seems like the Magic would just be taking on the burden of finding a way to sort it out (while also making their 26M on Big Baby Davis look even more foolish).
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta agree with that
Don’t like it from Orlando’s POV
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I like it...because IMO it makes both teams worse :)
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Dwight and Melo
Hmm – a SF that is a ball-movement black hole that is fixated on his own shot. Said SF often criticised for playing an individual game and no D.
A Centre with a fairly limited offensive game that occasionally rips on his team for not getting him the ball enough in the post, and has been called out for not having his head in the game.
A rookie PG (SG) who is jacking up shots…and missing most of em.
No PF or bench to speak of…just a 6’10 aging point forward in Hedo who would probably get PG minutes at the moment (ie dump into Melo and watch Dwight get pissed as the ball avoids him…or vice versa).
I’m with Dave…New York would be excruciating to watch and a random collection of head cases with this trade…I say pull the trigger…
On another note can’t stay up to watch the game tonight. Go Bucks! Remember 09-10 (erm…the good stuff that is)!
by 2-33 on Jan 23, 2012 6:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whichever team has Melo at the end of the day will suck. End of story
And Orlando will just suck because they will have a mish-mash of losers.
Grillax people
HELP Defense for Ersan...Please:
While I’m resigned to the fate that Ersan is not a starter, seems to do better off the bench, and rarely is allowed more then twenty minutes to do his thing I remain somewhat dumb founded at the notion he may find his way out of town via free agency.
May I ask you, and yes you….Is Ersan worthy of a contract extension? Is he an asset to this club, or do you see a replacement on the roster for what he does? As the trading deadline approaches (3-13) I fear I’m watching the last of this young Turk as the volume to move him seemingly gets turned up each day.
Thank you in advance for your thoughts, and input into this delicate matter.
Well, at least for me it is.
-———-
Consistency first
Then maybe
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
The reason the trade volume is stuck on high is because Ersan himself expressed interest in leaving the Bucks.
Don’t think he has been happy with his playing time, or the consistency of Skiles’ rotations, and he is a much bigger name back in Turkey I’m sure.
He would be worthy of a slightly sub-mid-level deal, but I don’t think he wants that. If he were to take another chance in the NBA I’m sure he’d want it to be in a new situation where he might get a chance at starting. Otherwise, he can make good enough money back home in the Euro leagues.
As for a replacement, I think Leuer was drafted as his replacement if thinks eventually fell through. He fits the profile for the pick-and-pop and the good, grounded positional defense, just needs to up his flat-footed tap out rebounding rate a bit more :)
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
His game had been stagnant
…long enough for me to both lose hope in him and lose hope that any team would want to trade for him.
Last few games he’s been very different. (IMO because we’ve had better passing and ball movement and that both plays into Ersan’s strengths and I think motivates him.)
As of today, I’d like to keep him around. But CB is right: we’d like to see consistency.
Europe probably sets the market somewhat
Ersan took a pay-cut to come back to the NBA a few years ago, but I’m guessing part of the premise was that he had a chance to get a very big contract (ie the kind you don’t get in Europe) if he developed into a very good NBA player. Heck, look at the money his countrymen Turkoglu and Okur got.
I think with Leuer, Mbah a Moute and Harris around, the value of Ilyasova is fairly capped for the Bucks. He may be worth $4 million per season on an NBA team, but what if you already have a number of quality young guys at the same position? Your bench is where you want to get good value; you don’t want to be paying your 6-10 rotation guys $4 million apiece. One or two is fine, but you have to pick your battles financially, even the more modest ones.
Don’t get me wrong—I like having Ersan on the roster despite his flaws, but I just don’t think the Bucks are necessarily the most logic long-term place for him.
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
Atlanta takes a lot of long twos
30% of their shots, to be precise. And they aren’t particularly good at them either, below average as far as the rest of the league goes. Unfortunately they’re much better around the rim, but the Bucks are at least pretty good at defending that. Should at least be easier without Horford, now defending Johnson…
Good stat
The fact that they’re top ten in both offense and defense is pretty damn impressive, especially given the loss of Horford and Crawford…and given they huck so many long twos.
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Curious about Plan B
If joe Johnson has a rare off night…particularly without Gunner Crawford as you say…
I know Josh Smith is playing really well, but have Atl been riding Joe, or have others apart from Smoove stepped up?
by 2-33 on Jan 23, 2012 6:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Teague has had some nice nights too, but basically it's Johnson and Smith
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Still aways to go...
AS his interviews are all based on the same set of questions:
“How is it that__________”
last night went a long way in his favor i think
by VanHammoLJ12 on Jan 23, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Josh Smith quote
Wasn’t he just kidding? >.>
Question: Woody, what happened to the ball movement? Answer: I think our defense was pretty solid tonight. We held them to under 200 points so we did our job on that end.
I've got the link in the article to the original ATL article.
He’s not much of a comedian if so, but I think he knew exactly how his comments would be taken and chose his words deliberately. Just my opinion. Feel free to follow the original and make your own judgment.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
True, fair enough.
Question: Woody, what happened to the ball movement? Answer: I think our defense was pretty solid tonight. We held them to under 200 points so we did our job on that end.
LRMAM is the starting PF tonight according to Gardner
It may be the right move right now, but I personally hate Skiles continuously doing this. LRMAM is definitely a terrific defender but he’s just plain undersized at the PF position, and yet ever since 2009-10 (BJ’s rookie year) he goes back to putting him at the PF. Not saying he shouldn’t get minutes at PF, but the one position that we are loaded at (with bodies, not talent) is PF and a combination of them should get the minutes IMO. He also probably isn’t a starter really.
PF’s: Ilyasova, Leuer, Gooden, Sanders, Brockman…and now LRMAM I guess.
Grillax people
I'd rather have LRMAM as a matchup defender off the bench. It's not too bad tonight, as Smith plays a hybrid SF/PF that fits LRMAM's skills as a defender
But going forward, I don’t know.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, if ever you start Luc it's tonight...he's typically been the only guy who can cover Smith
Unfortunately he’s also been the only guy who can cover Joe Johnson…
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah the Bucks have some great role players... it is just too bad we don't have atleast a 2nd tier star to flank them...
Bogut can be in the tier but he is injured far too often…
Brandon missing again but passing well, Teague not missing.
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't sure
Maybe. Some white player is what I’m going with. ;)
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, not a good idea to trust me anytime
Twas Beno, according to the omnipotent ESPN boxscore
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking today
I don’t trust Skiles with this many "healthy available players, he is bound to screw up the rotations, minutes, matchups, etc. He is at his best with limited resources to focus on, I think his brain is going to overload scheming!!!
I think it's not a good thing in general
When you have to worry about getting the minutes and lineups just right to win…
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Bogut would dominate this game, I mean come on No Horford
He should kill Zaza for about 24 and 14
What in Drew Gooden's mind would make him think he is going to get that call
jumping into a defender 50 from the hoop???
Dear Alex,
Because its a contract year for me… oh wait?! Why am I playing good?
Regards,
Drew Gooden
Awfully nice way to put it.
Isn’t it possible to get him into basketball shape without playing him in an actual game.
Dear Mr. McGlockin,
Please stop commenting on how Ersan jumps with his hands above his head and saying things like “on the trampoline”.
Sincerely,
Everybody except Ersan’s mom
I will give that a big hefty +1
he has to jump with his arms up because his vertical jump is about 21 inches
Ruins everyones regular seasons records...
Lay down and lose in the playoffs, your Atlanta Hawks!
On Wisconsin!
Finally got an easy bucket
At least he’s passing, though he’s rushed some shots too.
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, even if he can't hit it he is still worth it as an elite defender...
the jumper is just a huge bonus
Bucks certainly work hard and play hard.
Oh wait, nevermind, Be Milwaukee.
by BUCKS on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Come on man, you can't throw a fast break pass like that to a white dude named
Mike Dunleavy Jr. the third esquire
Cuz Bogut didn't have his defensive tag team partner in Luc that night.
He is only half the defender he can be without Luc out there with him.
by Brick's house on Jan 23, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Skiles has played 10 guys...
and no one has played more than 15:50 (Dunleavy) or less than 8:27 (Udrih). That is the most evenly distributed minutes I have seen all year. Skiles might as well be platooning units out there.
thats what I was thinking about today, Leuer good enough to start last 5 or so games
not good enough to even play tonight, must be a lot of fun for a rookie to play for Skiles!
Skiles can be generous with rookie minutes, ask Luc or Jennings.
I think he is just getting more out of Ilyasova and Luc at the moment.
by Brick's house on Jan 23, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
hi you have reached mcdonalds
what would you like to order today
by Rare Monkey on Jan 23, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
ZANG!
It’s a McDonald’s in Russia though.
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Is that where his pro career has taken him?
I figured he would go to China, since he can speak Mandarin and all.
by Brick's house on Jan 23, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Takin Joe A
Yi would settle for the long two far to often, and Joe always had good shot challenges (when he actually was aware enough to stay with his counterpart
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Kyle Lowry is on the triple-double alert
9-7-6 at the half
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Only 1-6 so far shooting, but he's a beast
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Rubio looking nice too.
7ast, 0 to at the half in the same game
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
The NBA has too many good point guards
They need to put a hard cap on that or something.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Good question.
I’d have to pour over all the stats for the point guards though…You think he’s about to turn the corner but at the same time you have to remember there’s a lot of good players at that position.
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 23, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Kind of like it was for Centers in the 80s.
Makes you wonder whether point guards will be an endangered species in 20 years like the center position is today?
by Brick's house on Jan 23, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
did anyone see the end of the 1st half of the okc game
that might have been the worst fast break ever run 3v1 and basicallly didnt even get a shot off before the end of the half (10 seconds)
Shoot your way out of the slump?
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Defense leads to offense?
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Keepin' it real?
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Can you shoot your way out of a career-long slump?
Don’t answer Steve…we know where you stand on that…
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Man, these Bucks are fun to watch!!!
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 8:26 PM CST reply actions
Yea, the faster pace is much more interesting, at the very least
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Those specials kind of weird me out.
I always have the feeling they are greatly exaggerating, but I have no proof.
On Wisconsin!
Rubio has 10+ assists in 7 games already this season
It’s the 3rd quarter!
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Yeahhh
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
enter drew Gooden
two driving layups uncontested
tips in a ball into his own hoop
obvious offensive foul by running a guy over..
Way to go Drew, you the man!!!
Come on Bucks, you gotta win this game
Love to see Bogut come in and do some serious damage this quarter!!!
I would like to see him literally hit a pine tree
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Saving his energy for the 4th quarter.
The old rope a dope.
by Brick's house on Jan 23, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
He’s not shooting…what’s the problem? Working hard defensively against JJ.
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Like a lot of these Bucks ...
Ersan is fine off the bench
Come on Skiles
Bogut anytime now. The Closer!!!
by puremisery on Jan 23, 2012 8:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ersan just had the worst volleyball set ever
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
I am a bit surprised Skiles hasn't given Leuer some minutes for a home game.
Especially with Gooden struggling offensively.
If we have to have a tall, bald, ineffective guy
Can we bring Michael Ruffin back for Wednesday?
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
He's playing really hard
But he’s so friggin’ wreckless…
by Frank Madden on Jan 23, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
That really does seem true.
I swear teams would be better off bellying him up rather than playing that 1 foot off to protect against the drive
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 23, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we are seeing our weakness here
They have a goto 2/3 (Joe Johnson) and we do not.
WTF is wrong with Scott Stubborn Skiles
Why is Andrew BOgut on the got dang bench?
What new discipline book did Skiles read last night that said not to put in Bogut?
What’s the thought process behind this?
jennings came over to double on JJ
ersan had to go out to teague and left no one to rotate to smith (should have been gooden on the rotation there)
Josh Smith a three?
Damn…..again …the Joe Johnson effect …we have NOBODY like that ….
your right Skiles deserves blame for this one, I just don't understand why Bogut didn't
dominate the paint tonight at home. He had a nice little 6 point run in the 2nd quarter but thats about it. Skiles should be made to explain why he stuck with that group for the entire fourth quarter. If Bogut isn’t hurt and Skiles just sat him that is very,very,very sad.
you sir, should be an nba coach. even skiles couldn't figure that one out.
by senelcoolidge on Jan 23, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
and I wouldn't have run a play for Jackson in the corner for three, if I was going for 3
it would have been clearly Jennings option 1 and 2 and then Delfino 3rd.
Dunleavy Jackson, Ersan, Jennings and Gooden the whole damn quarter.
by Brick's house on Jan 23, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
like i posted 2 hours ago
Skiles is not to be trusted with 13 available acceptable players on the bench.
Bummer
I’m sure there will be some injury news related to Bogut sitting on the bench to make tonight even better.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Thanks Skiles
I wish somebody has the balls to ask Skiles why he’s gotta be so stubborn? Why no Livingston? No Moute? No Bogut? at all in the 4th? Did Drew Gooden’s 6 clankers, 2 defensive 3 seconds, 2 TOs, and 1 PF look like something we should have on the floor for 13 minutes in a row?
Just weird
to see him go in an entirely different route when the team won two good games right before tonight.
No four-game winning streak for at least four more games.
:(
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Where is the core, guys?
The Bucks have no goddamn core. If Bogut and Jennings are the core, where are they at the end of that game? BJ was in, but where was Bogues? Without a consisent core, it’s going to continue to be a helter skelter of lineups?
too many distraction players that are just good enough but not great, its not an accident that good teams
always end up with the ball in the right guys hands at the end of games, not Mike Dunleavy Jr. trying to make a jump pass…
just sat there waiting and waiting for a line-up change...
and then the inevitable happened – our 5 guys lost.
I just checked and their were only two substitions in the entire 4th quarter.
Zaza for Ivan Johnson with 9:12 remaining, and Ivan for Zaza with 16 seconds left.
Skiles 2nd half subs are as follows:
Putting Gooden in for Bogut with 1:39 left in the 3rd quarter.
Dunleavy and Jackson replaced Delfino and Livingston with 3:23 left in the 3rd.
Ilyasova replaced Mbah a Moute with 5:11 to go in the 3rd.
Those were ALL of Skiles substitutions in the 2nd half. Jennings played the entire 2nd half.
what could he say?
I tuned in live with 8 mins left. Looked at the strange lineup and told myself to be patient. The regs will be coming back soon. When they didn’t, I wondered what kind of wild fouling had led to the presumed disqualifications. Then I watched the team struggle to a loss. Taking and missing a ton of mediocre outside shots. Trying to do some of the things the recent close out crew had done well – but in this case produced turnovers.
Where were Bogut, Moute, Livingston, Jax and Jennings – as a UNIT. Head and shoulders better than any other unit we’ve tried. What aberrant thoughts drove Skiles to play the men he played?
As a great man once said, mind-boggling.
What the hell happened to the Magic against the Celtics?
They score 36 points in the final three quarters to finish with 56 points for the game? Wow, and 20 of those points came from the free throw line. They were 16 of 65 from the field. 16 field goals!
Did I mention that Ray Allen and Rondo didn’t even play? Mind Blown.
Bogut & Moute being traded...
…for Ray and Rondo.
Not that it makes any sense. Just that the Celtic guys didn’t play. And the Bucks guys didn’t play when it mattered at the end.
Rondo/Allen both injured.
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 23, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
One possible factor in who played in the fourth quarter:
I checked the minutes from last night’s Heat game:
Gooden played 13:32
Dunleavy played 8:03
S. Jax played 26:17
Ilyasova played 21:36
Jennings did play heavy minutes at 34:50
Perhaps Skiles was looking for fresh legs to run with Jennings, albeit veteran fresh legs since Leuer and Harris didn’t play at all tonight. Delfino doesn’t fit this narrative, since he only played 15:36 last night, but Livingston (39:26) and Mbah a Moute (27:52) do. This is the only way Skiles rotations can possibly make sense, even then.
BTW, forgot to mention Bogut played 31:56 last night against the Heat.
So he fits the narrative a lttle bit of searching for fresh legs a little too.
by Brick's house on Jan 23, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody even asked him in the presser: Why Bogut didn't play for the final 16 minutes of the game?
That would have been my first question of many.
OH......MY........
Missed the final 3 quarters… then read the game thread. I…..am…..gobsmacked…….
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
OH......MY........
Missed the final 3 quarters… then read the game thread. I…..am…..gobsmacked…….
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
I have been a staunch believer in Scott Skiles...
…have been…
Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 23, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
I’ve believed that a very shrewd coach would catch flack from fans for his or her substitution patterns. ’Cuz the substituions would be motivated by inside info or coaching “genius.”
Hard for me at this point not to think the Skiles’ substitutions are not motivated by his Id.
I agree
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
If making a point was important enough to Skiles...
…to sit Bogut for the entire 4th quarter, then why the hell didn’t he demand that the motley crew in the game run a decent offense? Has Skiles reverted to watching mutely and later complaining?
Until further notice, Skiles is on my S List – and S doesn’t stand for Special.
I hope S stands for 'sack the bum'...
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 23, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, sort of figured that chuk, just wanted to add my own 2 cents worth ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
Could it have been a Chucky? ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 23, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Hope not. Chucky sounds yucky.
This was a game that needs forgetting. And I’m just the man to do it. Gonna retire to the living room and watch Castle.
Agreed. I am retiring to watch Australia destroy India in the cricket!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 23, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, at least that will bring
sporting fulfillment for the day
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