Pistons vs. Bucks Preview: Milwaukee Looks To Drop Detroit Again
by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 7:00 AM CST
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| 2011/2012 NBA Season | ||
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| 8-11 (5-2 home) | 4-17 (1-9 road) |
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| January 30, 2012 | ||
| Bradley Center | ||
| 7:00 PM CT | ||
| Radio: 620 WTMJ TV: FSN Wisconsin |
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| Probable starters: | ||
| Brandon Jennings | PG |
Brandon Knight |
| Shaun Livingston | SG | Rodney Stuckey |
| Carlos Delfino | SF | Tayshaun Prince |
| Luc Mbah a Moute | PF | Greg Monroe |
| Drew Gooden | C | Ben Wallace |
| (19th) 101.3 - OFFENSE - 97.4 (26th) |
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| (128h) 102.9 - DEFENSE - 108.7 (28th) |
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| (12th) 92.6 - PACE - 87.7 (30th) | ||
On the PIstons: Detroit Bad Boys / Piston Powered / Need4Sheed
Two days after downing the Lakers at home, the Bucks look to avoid a letdown when they host the struggling Detroit Pistons for the second time in three weeks.
Do the Drew. After his 23-point effort on Saturday, Drew Gooden is now averaging 30.3 mpg, 17.4 ppg and 9.4 rpg on .474/.375/.853 shooting in seven games as a starter, all of which have come at the center position in Andrew Bogut's absence. The problem? The Bucks are just 1-6 in those games, underscoring the obvious fact that Gooden's encouraging raw stats obscure the huge defensive downgrade that comes from swapping the former Kansas star for Bogut in the pivot.
As always, Gooden is posting poor +/- numbers, reflecting both a) his difficulty holding position down low against opposing centers and b) his inability to block shots or otherwise make up for teammates' mistakes as a help defender. Unfortunately those things are unlikely to change so long as he's operating exclusively as a center. However, it would be nice (and maybe not completely unrealistic) if Gooden showed a bit more patience offensively. While Gooden is shooting a healthy 66% in the immediate basket area, he's made just 27/91 of his two point shots between three and 23 feet. That's a problem when most of your shots are long twos, which is once again the case with Gooden (32% 16-23 ft) this year.
Detroit Rock Bottom. The Pistons have dropped 14 of their last 16 games, including a 102-93 defeat in Milwaukee on January 12. The Bucks struggled to put away Detroit down the stretch and survived a nervous final two minutes to prevail in large part thanks to Brandon Jennings, though Greg Monroe utterly dominated Bogut with a career-high 32 points (12/16 fg) and 16 boards.
The Monroe Doctrine. After quietly ranking among the league's best rookies a year ago, the 21-year-old Monroe has taken his game to new heights as a sophomore (15.8 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 55.5% true shooting, 23.67 PER, 18.2% rebound rate). His PER ranks second behind only Dwight Howard among centers, and he'd be a good bet for an all-star berth if he played on a team that wasn't quite so terrible.
Though he may lack the explosiveness needed to be an impact defender, Monroe has developed into an excellent rebounder, is among the league's best passing bigs and generally plays to his strengths offensively: he creates a high volume of shots at the rim (6.9/game, 60% shooting) and shoots just enough from outside to keep defenses honest (1.4/game, 37%). Drew Gooden, take note.
To the Point. Both Lawrence Frank and Scott Skiles have regularly deployed two point guard lineups this season, with the Bucks starting Shaun Livingston next to Jennings for the past six games and the Pistons going with a Brandon Knight/Rodney Stuckey combo of late.
In his first 21 games as a pro, Knight has been an inefficient shooter (50.6% true shooting) and racked up turnovers almost as frequently as assists (15.3% turnover rate, 18.1% assist rate), but he's also delivered more than a few flashes of the upside that made him a lottery pick after just one season at Kentucky. The Bucks should know better than to underestimate him affter he scored 20 points on just nine shots in the teams' previous meeting.
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1. can Moute/team help Gooden with defense w/ Skiles?
2. any chance Skiles OK with Gooden’s outside 2s ’cuz opens opportunities inside?
by unklchuk on Jan 30, 2012 7:50 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Moute’s defensive impact is awesome and he does to some degree offset Goodens deficiencies…
I don’t mind Gooden taking long 2’s… I wish he would take a step or two in when he sets up off the pick and pop but in general he shoots OK from out there and it does pull bigs from the basket…
I don't think Skiles particularly cares about Gooden's shot selection...
…or anyone else’s for that matter. He even seemed to encourage him to shoot open threes last year. In general I’ve always felt like Skiles strikes an implicit bargain with players that they can get their shots in as long as they work defensively. I’ve always been a little frustrated by that.
by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
I'll second that motion.
I think it’s part of the reason Brandon Jennings has had trouble with good shot selection in his career. He’s controlling his own looks and Skiles never stopped him or pulled him aside.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 30, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
It’s one thing is Skiles lets them follow their “instincts” because that’s the best wauy to develop those instincts. Stifling those instincts gets better results, but only in the short term.
It’s another thing if it’s an expedient compromise Skiles makes because he’s not a gifted coach for offense.
I've got some micro stuff coming on this soon in a new series.
It might respond to the third sentence over time. I’m hoping to have the first one up tomorrow morning.
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by Steve von Horn on Jan 30, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
From the J-S thru RealGM
“….Be as distrustful as you want about their resurgence, but there is evidence that the Bucks are beginning to figure things out.
“It happens over time,” Dunleavy said not long after dropping 15 bench points on the Lakers. "We had such a quick training camp. We went out west right away. A bunch of guys were out.
“Now we’re starting to get some rhythm. We’re starting to get some chemistry. Certainly, we’re in a hole with Bogut being out for a while, and that’s really going to hurt us. But if we can have guys stepping in for him like we did (against the Lakers) over a period of time, we’ll see what happens.”
As Dunleavy mentioned, there is no sugarcoating the loss of Bogut, who cannot stay healthy to save his Aussie hide. The Bucks discovered chemistry without him during their surprising run two years ago, but collapsed last season when Bogut was one of a number of players who could not physically perform.
My sense is they now have the right mix of players to overcome the absence of an overly active 7-foot center, at least as much as possible. They are probably better off without Jackson.
As to why the Bucks are beginning to come together, TV voice Jim Paschke mentioned to me in the locker room, “There’s a whole lot of coaching going on.”
With Bogut gone likely for the season, the other face of the franchise agreed a total-team image is emerging.
“Oh, yeah, all the way around,” Brandon Jennings said.
“I think it’s unselfishness. Our second group is really helping us out. Sometimes, and I’m including myself, we don’t start off the game the right way. And then they come in and they pick up us. They’re playing a big part in this success.”
Yeah, the second group has been amazing the last few games.
We’re probably one of the deeper teams.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
I guess the question is what it gives you
No matter what happens, it would be nice to see key pieces establish their worth and get a sense of how they might together in the future. Jennings mainly, but it’d be nice for Leuer and Harris to earn regular minutes as well (well, Leuer has earned them, but he still doesn’t seem to get them).
As for actually winning games, I think the team without Bogut has a narrow window—7th place as an absolute ceiling, maybe 11th as a floor. I don’t think it’s realistic to think this team will lose enough to get in the top five or six lottery selections unless ping pong balls, and I doubt management will do anything to push the team in that direction unless something more extreme happens ahead of the deadline (ie Jennings goes down). So for better or worse we’re left to hope they can scrape out wins and at least get people enjoying Bucks basketball again.
by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
"...we’re left to hope they can scrape out wins and at least get people enjoying Bucks basketball again."
You all need to believe me. I DO try to keep No More Mediocrity topmost in my thoughts. But some of those wins are pretty darn tasty. I’m weak; I’m enjoying them.
I cover that weakness by saying to myself "Maybe Hammond/Kohl like this team too. Maybe they’ll make a move (without hurting our future) to add a piece that brings a higher than 7th spot into play.
Maybe David Stern (who once took pity on us and somehow gifted us with the #1 pick) will have a little pity left for Bogut’s travails and will have another team make the kind of lop-sided trade with us that he commonly arranges for teams to make with the Lakers.
5th or 6th might be a really good spot to finish
A lot depends on what other teams to and if we can continue developing as a team. Avoiding the Bulls and Heat would be really nice though.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
5 or 6 followed by a competitive series...
…maybe with Bogut back…would generate interest and energy in the casual fans of the Milwaukee Bucks that I have tried to raise to mythic status.
That would be healthy for the franchise.
Bench
Maybe, just maybe, in a year like this, with the lockout and more injuries and overall quality of play down, a team can gain a larger than normal advantage by having a solid bench.
by CHAController on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
That seems to be happening
Just look at the Lakers. Kobe, Bynum, and Gasol are all fantastic, but the rest of their roster is worse than what the Heat are running out there. Seems like the best teams this season are the ones with enough youth to play their main guys for heavy minutes, but still maintain short enough rotations that they’re not playing scrubs too much. Dallas has a great sixth man in JET, OKC has Harden, etc.
by Dan Sinclair on Jan 30, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Motion to declare unofficial status
On Saturday’s preview thread I predicted the Bucks would win due to the fact that I heard “Funky Cold Medina” on the radio. Everyone knows what happened so can we make that song an “unofficial” song of both the Bucks and Brewhoop?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Motion seconded with proposed amendment
The term “unofficial” sounds too merely accurate, too humble, too ordinary. Let’s find another word.
the underground song of the Bucks and Brewhoop?
I know nothing about Funky Cold Medina. In 25 words or less (to save you time) what should I know. Is medina a cooking wine that Chefs use? hehe
well
it is the second holiest city in islam. but also a city in Minnesota
but the drink is like vodka, soco, blue caracao, and cranberry juice
I can just see Ersan and Jennings popping a few of these back before a game
by Charlie_Buckets on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Funny about the Islam reference
Maybe we can change “Bradley Center” back to " Mecca" (Be real great if we could bring Kareeem in his prime back too)
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 30, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
How does a proclaimed Canadian know all about Mecca and Jabbar and all that stuff?
Did you head north because our winters were too short?
I was born and raised in Canada
Liked the Bucks when I was 10ish because the first basketball player I heard of was Lew Alcindor, even though the way I heard it pronounced first I thought it was Lou Al Sindor or something like that. As for Mecca I live about 30 miles east of Toronto which is known as one of the melting pots of North America, plus I read a lot. I am barely even North of Milwaukee, I remember looking this up as I questioned a BrewHoop article mentioning that the Bucks were heading north to Toronto. Milwaukee 43-2-20 Whitby, ON 43-53-52. I believe a degree is 60 miles so we are likely about 51 miles north of Milwaukee on a different longitude of course.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Odd thing is
Both my sisters were born in the US, one in Euclid, one in Santa Monica but both my parents and my sisters were sole Canadian citizens.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Thanks for the latitude adjustment.
(It would help if someone would tell me to reduce the number of puns. Not sure I can do it on my own.)
51 miles is interesting. I was aware that significant parts of Canada were not notably farther north of where I am (25 miles south of Packers’ Titletown). But conversation likes to ignore inconvenient truths.
British Columbia/Washington border
Is the 49th parallel, the southern most point of Canada is Point Pelee(pee-lee) at 41.41 north.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
You can read up on it courtesy of Wiki
I’d post a youtube link but my work filter hates youtube.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funky_Cold_Medina
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 30, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
leuer
I think one of the main reason Leuer’s playing time has been so inconsistent is his shortcomings on 1-1 post defense.
He has played solid O and great help D, but he does seem supremely overmatched 1 on 1 defensively against players like Gasol, Bosh, Scola, and Boozer that the Bucks have faced recently.
I don’t know who is gonna guard Greg Monroe tonight. Thank God they don’t have anybody else on this team
by Charlie_Buckets on Jan 30, 2012 11:31 AM CST reply actions
I had assumed Gooden, but it could be Luc too
Luc does an amazing job keeping much bigger guys off balance in spite of his length/weight deficit (see his work vs. Gasol on Saturdat), so it would be interesting to see him take a shot at Monroe as well. When Luc/Ersan have done well against big men it’s typically because they deny catches deep by fronting and force them to catch further from the hoop. Monroe is comfortable doing that too, but at least he doesn’t have a quickness advantage out there.
by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Not like Monroe is a leaper either
Kind of a Wes Unseld type of guy I think(sans the girth)…Luc could probably handle him.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 30, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Skiles has referenced Leuer’s defense as the reason for inconsistent playing time, so good call, Charlie…
I thought it was team defense that Leuer wasn't yet good at
Leuer does have quick hands and feet. But as we expected coming into the league, Leuer doesn’t have PF strength. So perhaps it’s lack of team scheme and lack of brawn.
He's actually been ahead of the curve in team defense
But yeah, he’s not stopping any of the more “powerful” power forwards.
by Dan Sinclair on Jan 30, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
THAT was yesterday....And Now.
As January closes, what some have deemed “Pre Season”, we should begin to see a leveling off of just who’s who, and presumably a more even keeled approach. Four/five weeks of ‘getting’ to know each other while waving at the wounded on the bench has become common for many a team. Alpha Males across the league are pine-bound nursing injuries brought on by going from 0-60 with little or no warm up. Fine tuning just about complete; pleasing to the eye as the rhythm and flow of the game returns.
Almost contrary to that notion is the Password for the last few seasons: “Consistancy”.
Just as one is about to applaud this club inconsistancy raises its ugly head thwarting any hope that ‘the hump has been cleared’. Some nice offensive pieces have been added, guys who can actually handle the ball, and the word assist embraced where it once appeard to be expunged?
Lastly, as with many a teams this year, the schedule/opponents is just brutal. Bucks recent opponents a good example. (.674) winning percentage over the last week. The Bulls on a 16 day 9 game road trip. Each club with their own challenges.
And Now, “The rest of the story”
We’ve seen this before. Beat L.A. and lose to Detroit.
Damn consistancy?
are you game for a little show & tell?
Your posts are interesting. And your words carry good meaning. But I, for one, had best relax a bit to read your posts because the language has a different, somewhat unusual rhythm. Just a bit like those nice light shows where the laser beams go off in multiple directions.
Might be that’s your natural style. As welcome here as anyone. But when things are a bit different, they often have a story to them. Stories are a great way that humans communicate. Do you have one?
Completely your choice, of course. And thanks for your posts…
You have to give them credit for surviving January
Given everything that went wrong (Bogut’s absence, Jackson’s struggles, Luc/Dunleavy being out extended periods), that was a damn solid performance. Going 8-11 despite a road-heavy schedule and some top competition in the last couple weeks might not have been the absolute best case scenario, but it’s damn good.
The problem is obviously that without Bogut their ceiling is inherently capped—and it’s not like they were contenders with Bogut anyway. Personally, I don’t feel like I have a good handle on how good they can be without Bogut, or at least if they can avoid the kinds of slumps that could do them in. The defense has to become more consistent (there’s that word again), but without Bogut I’m skeptical that they can be elite in the way they were the past two seasons. Can the offense get buckets at the rate needed to win games? Probably going to take more of the current Brandon, decent contributions (offsetting defensive losses) from Gooden, plus consistent scoring/shooting from some combo of Dun, Jax, Delfino, etc.
by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Dwight Howard said by ESPN to want Cap'n Jack above all
RealGM says an ESPN show reported that Howard wants to play with Jackson more than any other player in the NBA. Or something close to that.
That might make Jackson movable. Also might make Jackson interested in joining up with Howard ASAP. Though I guess ESPN thinks Howard won’t be traded until the All-Star break.
As you’d expect, there’s no shortage of trade scenarios being put forth at RealGM. Think the thread there is “Jackson infecting Jennings?”
If Jackson is "infecting Jennings", let's keep him around
He’s having his best season ever, by most accounts. Jackson might not be the team’s savior, but I don’t see any evidence of Jackson destroying Jennings’ game. Or soul?
by Dan Sinclair on Jan 30, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Jackson's value would seem a highly subjective concept
Most teams in the league probably would want nothing to do with him unless they’re shipping out their own garbage. But does he have (gasp!) positive value to some team out there? Note that by positive value, I mean some team that would want Jax and his contract for free (hypothetically).
Certainly possible there may be a couple teams out there like that. But his contract certainly makes it more difficult—both in the sense that a team acquiring him owes him a lot of money next year and that the Bucks likely have to take back roughly equal salary. How many players out there make around $9 million per season that you would want on your team AND would be traded by their team for Jax? Not sure there’s much overlap in that venn diagram.
by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
he could be a piece to a puzzle in a multi team deal
with kaman becoming available and dwight being moved, Jackson 5 could be a huge addition to any involvement the Bucks may have in these talks.
Honestly though, all we need is a defensive center. He doesn’t need to score, just grab boards, box out, and alter shots.
by Charlie_Buckets on Jan 30, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Moving Jackson
I don’t understand why this should be so difficult. Here’s the article to a bit of our Jackson frustrations and a few other players available for other reasons.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-who-is-available-in-trade
What I found interesting was Utah is interested in winning now and willing to move Alec Burks with Devin Harris, not sure they’d have much interest in Jackson tho. I specifically remember Clyde Drexler, commentator not FO, during the Bucks-Rockets game last week stating multiple times their need for a starting SF and being very complementary of Jackson’s play. There are a number of deals to get Orlando involved as a third party as well.
My JOHARI WINDOW is open......
Where Hunter S. Thompson, meets Steve Rosenbloom, which intersects with
PIRATE RADIO, and merges with the Zen Garden, so you shall find me.
“Your words carry good meaning”. Yes, I too tend to graviate toward the
American Indian also;, “Stands with a Fist” being my first love, and her culture one I embrace.
Walter Payton once said when he runs he hears the rhythm of the ‘drums’ in his head, and if you study his film you too can hear the sound of the distant warriors beating their drums providing an assist in his quest for glory on the grid-iron. Writing often brings such rhythm.
Christopher Hitchens provided rhythm, he of deep waters. Gone too soon.
“The first draft comes from the Heart Jamaal. The second from the Head”
(“Finding Forrester”)…
Often times it is the heart which drives most of the narratives found in these boxes; saving the ‘head’ for those who savor moments of correction. The latter being of no problem as such is welcome (though already known).
Lastly, it is very much art like to let the fingers flow, like that of a clarinet player, he of music, and you playing words. Both are creative, and most of all FUN>>>
(—Hope that helps—), and your welcome.
A number of folks, many with very divergent views, lament the loss of Christopher Hitchens from the world of ideas. His mind touched them strongly — not just his ending.
Re “deep,” are you reading “Thinking: Fast and Slow”? Called “a masterpiece; readable, deep, profound.” Written by a Nobel prize winner with a name — at the moment unknown to me. Tried to buy it yesterday, but the book had just slipped out of the Best Seller list used by Barnes & Noble and was no longer at 30% discount. Too rich for me.
Have you viewed “Buck”? A great documentary on a man who teaches horse training using ground-breaking techniques. Communication and respect, not force. Understanding the animal, not expecting the horse to understand you.
My guilt overfloweth at the small ways I’ve enjoyed myself this morn, and not worked. So I’ve saved your post as a rtf file and will investigate the references later. Assuming my follow thru behavior matches my follow thru intent.
ciao…
Time Permits Unklchuk...So:
*Daniel Kahneman-Author you seek
*"Buck"…No, yet it Sounds like “The Horse Whisperer”. Same intentions(?)
*Steven Rosenbloom-Sports Journalist with sardonic wit/catch phrases/smart as whip.
Chicago Tribune-Movie out two yrs. ago based on the laws enforced by the British prohibiiting the playing of Rock n Roll. Ship in the ‘neutral zone’ housed radio station that played such a playlist. British Humor, and a wonderful cast, and soundtrack.
*PIRATE RADIO
*"Finding Forester"—Basketball laced premise with Sean Connery has renowed author living in a burrow within predomiantly AA Neighborhood. "Jamaal’ / Forester forge relationship relative to Jamaal being all he can be.
*Johari Window-Paradigm used in the group counseling setting to gage the “openess” vs. “closeness” of the group. As group members grow…trust/security increase…‘window’ opens more. Nice metaphor/analogy to use for many communication/ relationship platforms.
Redford had Buck
…as the tech advisor on Redford’s The Horse Whisperer. In the doc Robert talks at length about how legit and wise he found Buck. Said he modified the movie protagonist to more resemble Buck. Said when the movie trained “performer” horse couldn’t do a scene in 8 hours, Buck convinced very skeptical honchos to let him and his horse try. The next day they did the scene in 15 minutes.
I found it fascinating to watch Buck enter the corral with a new horse. Buck carries on a friendly and informative conversation with the human audience. At the same time he is sizing up and relating to the new horse. Almost seems like a matter of chemistry that forges a relationship between that man and the horse.
One woman brought a troubled horse to the clinic. After a few minutes, Buck knew just how bad the trouble was. He described the horse as a psychopath. A predator. And he said it wasn’t the horse’s fault. The horse had been born oxygen-deprived. No mother. No older horses to learn from. And the owner had, after working hard to save it during birth, shortly afterwards broken her back and been unable to spend time with it. Like a special needs kid, the horse had needed special treatment. It could have been, he said, a gentle creature that would never draw attention for its mind, but would be safe and useful in carrying kids and other purposes. But humans had betrayed it, and its fear and confusion had turned into mental illness. This horse, he said, will never be safe for you or for anyone who’s around it. The owner bawled, but said he had confirmed her suspicions. Later the same day, the horse opened a cut on a cowboy’s forehead by lunging at him and biting.
That’s the only sad story. Every other horse thrives in Buck’s presence. Buck makes a big deal out of saying something very close to: “You look at a horse and you can tell what the owner is like. You look at an owner and you can predict what his horse will be like.”
It’s communication (not mumbo-jumbo) but it’s not the obvious forms we’re used to.
Now my rtf file has 2 posts.
About Monroe
As I saw Detroit playing, Monroe is not a player to be feared. They don’t really have any sets for him and he scores his points off broken plays and off rebounds and when left alone after opponent center leaves for help to PG or so…
A Few Offensive (double meaning) Statistical Comparisons.
PPG
DET-85.8 ppg
MIL- 93.8ppg
FG%
DET-.421 fg%
MIL- .431 fg%
3PT%
DET-.361
MIL- .312
2PT%
DET- .433
MIL- .469
So Milwaukee is still struggling form the arch, but is shooting a very refreshing 47% from 2pt range.
They also net 1.5 more 3s than Detroit despite the fact they shoot 5% worse. This can probably be attributed to their love of the longball and their very un-Buckslike pace of play this season.
Meanwhile across Lake Michigan: The other Charlie in the Basketball world is gonna have surgery, Ben Wallace turns 73 this weekend, rodney stuckey has pulled the classic “get paid more than you deserve and coast on your team” move, and Tayshaun Prince may be the only person skinnier than Larry Sanders in the Great Lakes.
by Charlie_Buckets on Jan 30, 2012 4:28 PM CST reply actions
I hate this game
Or any game against a bad team. If you win its no big deal but a lose is a killer. Kind of like that first game against Charlotte that looks like ass right now.
Pretty much.
I’m not sure this Bucks team will be able to consider any road games as gimmes, but home games like these do feel like no-win situations to some extent. On the flip side, they’re not in a position to complain about winning ugly, so any win should leave us feeling better. At least that’s how I rationalize things…
by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
I gotta say they've put up a pretty good fight in Jan, considering the schedule, injuries, and Jax being Jax.
I’m still in tank mode, but it is soooo nice to be proud of the Bucks like I was after the LAL game…
I know everyone hates Gooden, but he definitely brings a different offensive dynamic at the C spot than Bogues…. teams actually have to respect his jumper.
Now if he can only cut down on commiting Goodenisms…
i am going to continue to hate gooden...
because as soon as anybody gets confidence in his offensive output (most notably himself) he tends to become a volume shooter. The last thing the Bucks need is someone to stop the team from having consistently active offensive possessions.
but mainly ill keep hating him because he only plays well when i am angry at him
by Charlie_Buckets on Jan 30, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
He has done this his entire career ....
Teased many with fleeting bouts of production. There is a reason this guy has played for what, ten teams?
Fair enough... but he has also hit the mid-range jumper his entire career...
Something that AB has never done – hence, teams have to play him for that – something they don’t have to do w/ AB…
I’m just sayin he brings much needed offense, and teams have to honor that.
But I know I’m still in the minority ; )
I agree with the mid-range jumper threat
Trouble is, he often thinks that he is Michael Redd.
"mainly ill keep hating him because he only plays well when i am angry at him"
Then by all means, keep hatin’ :)
by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
The mid-ranger is fine when it's open
I just don’t like it when he stops the ball, thinks about it, then throws it up anyway. And I don’t think he should probably shoot any threes…
by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed, Frank.
Good qualifying on the mid-range jumper thing.
Hi Alex!
I’m at work and DVRing. So I’m guessing this will be the last of my interactions with you lovely folks tonight…
by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Delfino!
You’ll see that one again, folks.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 7:20 PM CST reply actions
Hopefully
I¨m enjoying a lot how Carlos started this game. Let´s keep it going. He usually plays well agianst Detroit, his first NBA team.
Still has a grudge against them for not playing him much? :)
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 30, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
the flashes of chemistry we are seeing this year are reminiscent of the fear the deer season...
hopefully this continues because it is fun bball to watch
Hello! I can't stop in long, too much work to do.
However, after box score checking, it is looking good so far.
On Wisconsin!
Hey guys, just dropping in at work for a second to point something out:
THE BUCKS HAVE A TRUE SHOOTING PERCENTAGE OF 80.5 IN THE FIRST QUARTER.
Let’s play Detroit more, can we? Please?
zero minutes for S.Jackson to this point
how will this end up?
Steven Jackson
is The Closer.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Bucks win!!! 104-90
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
fun fact
if you plug in Jack to the NBA trade machine on espn.com and trade him literally for nobody the bucks are projected for one more win.
"I was so drunk I thought a tube of toothpaste was astronaut food"
My Twittah!
That is such a sad question...
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I like Perth
great place to live, but would be nice to hit up a few games if they weren’t pretty much on the exact opposite part of the planet.
its ok, its the Pistons, "the bad boys"
I mean they’re BAD
by kanyon on Jan 30, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody's here.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 8:13 PM CST reply actions
Seriously? Sweet.
I wish I still lived in Wisco
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
He is
He’s at every game on press row. The rest of us, not so much…
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 30, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Baltimore, baby!
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
The Bucks are allergic to blowing teams out. We should start a pool to predict the Bucks first 20 point blowout of the season.
If it doesn’t happen tonight, I would guess the next opportunity for the team will be Feb. 15th against New Orleans.
I don't get it, but it's still hilarious!
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
the ball spun maybe 3 times that whole shot
by VanHammoLJ12 on Jan 30, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Ahhh I'm five minutes behind.
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
That was a terrible call, nonetheless.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 8:31 PM CST reply actions
Same thing.
Zing!!!
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Zing!!!
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
he would be a nice player for the bucks. center with a decent offensive skill.
can you afford him?
by senelcoolidge on Jan 30, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Bucks have a bigger need for defense from any center they aquire.
Gooden provides offense.
by Brick's house on Jan 30, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Is BJ turning a corner in his career?
Just begging the question, given how he has played ths season.
I would say so
I think we’re far past the point where we can dismiss it as a fluke, at the very least…
by Jacob Grinyer on Jan 30, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Plus the swag is important
Its like a less pathological version of jax
With Monroe, Tay Prince and Austin Daye in the lineup at once, the Piston are sporting a looong lineup.
Gets tough to get pass into the interior, so the Bucks are shooting over it.
I think he might be guarded by the undrafted rookie Walker Russell Jr.
by Brick's house on Jan 30, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
That name sounds made up.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 31, 2012 4:51 AM CST up reply actions
Don't remember his dad?
Knicks and Pistons IIRC
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
It takes him so long to gather himself.
He is not a quick leaper.
by Brick's house on Jan 30, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Be happy with okur for jax
Being expiring and such
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Ok, guys ..something I have thought about ....
Most of us have had our beefs with Skiles, but one thing I have noticed with this team: they do not seem to give up. They play pretty hard most of the time. That is generally a reflection of the coach. Just throwing it out there.
by tommyr on Jan 30, 2012 8:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if part of that is playing "scared"
Cuz Bogut is out if you catch my drift
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Sr.?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
What?
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 30, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
There you go!
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 31, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
nice win
i demand everytime brockman plays garbage minutes he takes at least one jumpshot for comedys sake
by Charlie_Buckets on Jan 30, 2012 9:15 PM CST reply actions
Harris 2-2 from three tonight after starting the season 0-4.
Gives me hope that he can play SF instead of being the Bucks 7th PF.
by Brick's house on Jan 30, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'm telling you guys,
He’s a young Paul Pierce without the headband.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 31, 2012 4:52 AM CST up reply actions
Great win!
Beat a bad team how we’re suppose to beat them finally.
another good win!
can’t wait til wednesday!
"I was so drunk I thought a tube of toothpaste was astronaut food"
My Twittah!
5-2 in their last seven games.
7 – 1 when they score 100 ppg. Nice to have a C that can score cough ; )
More good news, Orlando is continuing their free fall, losing to Philly and scoring only 69 tonight.
Bucks are going up the playoff rankings while Orlando falls, leaving more room for that 5-6 sweet spot.
yeah they're only a half game back of the Celtics, they're 9-10 and in the 7 spot
"I was so drunk I thought a tube of toothpaste was astronaut food"
My Twittah!
Am I the only one thinking this team is better without Bogut
Now I dont know how much I trust Gooden to keep it up but hes been great. And Leuer is a solid back up. If we could trade Bogut for a SG or PF that is at Boguts level ( which is right on the brink of All-Star.. but not) I would actually be ok with it. And ive been in the dont trade Bogut/Jennings ever camp for a long time.
right on the brink of All-Star
Is different depending on which position you’re talking about. There are hardly any good centres in the NBA, whereas there a a lot of good 1s, 2s and 3s. I don’t think we’re really better w/o bogut but maybe it helps not trying to get him involved?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
If you think about it, there are not that many great SGs in the NBA.
Kobe, Wade, Joe Johnson, James Harden, Eric Gordon, Monta Ellis, Tyreke Evans?, Kevin Martin?, then who do ya got? This is not a premier era for shooting guards outside of a handful of guys.
by Brick's house on Jan 30, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
Take Joe Johnson off of that list
and by next season, I expect Tyreke Evans to lose his spot as well.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 31, 2012 4:53 AM CST up reply actions
No more PFs, please god no more PFs. SG, yes that is a definite need, but we have way too many PFs as it is.
by Brick's house on Jan 30, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Not a great one though
Lets say we traded him for someone like Josh Smith. Im ok with that. Even if SG is the bigger need. I would trade Bogut and picks for someone like Eric Gordon. But Josh Smith could do wonders for this team too with Goodens play
I agree with Collin
we need a true PF that has some sort of post game. And you’re right, there aren’t as many good 2s as I thought.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 30, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Jackson short interview
On the postgame show. Said three things I hope I recall. Other than his main statesman’s statement: It’s all about winning; we’re winning; other stuff doesn’t matter; let’s talk about the game.
1. It’s the first time in his career he’s been healthy and eligible – and hasn’t played.
2. Asked if Skiles had explained it to him, he said: no and he probably won’t.
3. Asked if he planned to ask for talks, he said: no need; they already know how I feel.
I can see why players like him. He comes across as a man who’s sharp, articulate, politically NBA-savvy, and deserving of respect. What you hear about him sometimes sounds goofy. But the man does not show any goofiness.
If it turns out there’s a huge divide between management and Cap’n Jack, followed by a messy “divorce,” I’m tempted to predict that mess will turn the attitude of some of our players.
I want to read between the lines here
And say a deal is imminent.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Jan 30, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
That's certainly a plausible subtext
I said I thought Jackson conducted himself well. I think I could also say that he didn’t say one word that suggested that his commitment to this team remained in place. Didn’t express anticipation about getting back out there. He may have said “we played well tonight” but he couldn’t really say “they played well” ’cuz that would signal an obvious break.
He sounded like a businessman, giving professional courtesy to all parties. Confident that the business on the table will be handled objectively. Confident that he has a pretty darn good hand to play at that negotiating table.
J-S reportedly says...
Post on RGM: Not sure why this hasn’t been brought up yet…maybe no one has seen it yet, but jsonline quotes Jackson as saying “My situation is going to get better soon. But until then I’m going to support these guys and continue to collect my check.”
How come Hammond get's all the slack for taking Jackson in the trade but
get’s no credit for stealing Livingston? Signing Dunleavy? Drafting Leuer? Drafting Harris?
Agreed, Hammond had a good off season.
I have said before that the Bucks got the best deal of the three teams involved in the June trade for S Jax, Livingston, and Harris.
by Brick's house on Jan 30, 2012 11:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think mostly everyone loved that deal
And accepted that Udrih and jackson >Salmons and Maggette. Some didn’t like the fact that we moved down 9 spots to do it but I think that was necessary vigorish.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
I'd take Harris over Jimmer any day
We’ve already got a shoot-first point guard, two would be just silly.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 31, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Not saying I wanted Jimmer(look in the archives I was as anti-Jimmer as they come)
But Burks might have been a nice pick too, jus sayin………but it was a good recovery trade
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