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MILWAUKEE -- The flavor of this win was different than the previous one, the previous win.

But if we are comparing wins, at this point? No one loses.

The Pistons might be worse than their record indicates. And now their record is 4-18. After the first quarter, the Bucks up 30-16, that was the lede of this story. But then the Bucks put up 56 points in the second half and blew Detroit back to Detroit, or New York, or wherever they are headed next.

You might say Detroit has come a long way since Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince started with the Pistons, but you should probably just say it has just been a long time since Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince started with the Pistons, because that was a full decade ago.

Detroit did not simply make Milwaukee look good though -- no one ever seems to. The Bucks just were good, early and late, as Brandon Jennings reached past the 20-point plateau after just one game under. And while Drew Gooden did not quite play Greg Monroe to a draw, they both scored 16 points, Mike Dunleavy spun in 20 off the bench, and the Bucks made it two in a row without Andrew Bogut (or Stephen Jackson, who is becoming parenthetical).

So, no Andrew Bogut, no problem? No, not really. This was an imperfect performance, but a perfectly acceptable one. And while the more we learn the less we seem to really know, there is something oddly compelling about that ongoing dichotomy.

Star-divide

Three Bucks

Mike Dunleavy. Arrived at the game shooting a career-low 26.3 % on threes, and then put the game away by scoring half (10) of his season-high 20 points in the fourth quarter, highlighted by a couple triples. The starting point guard enjoyed the show.

Brandon Jennings: He's coming off those screens so fast, and he's just launching it. And you know, he's got that pretty rotation on everything and it's just going right in. Every time he shoots it I just look at the spin, and it's just spinning and spinning, and it just drops in.

Brandon Jennings. Dropped in 21 points of his own, and looks so much more comfortable out there sharing so much court time with ballhandlers and passers like Shaun Livingston and Beno Udrih. Jennings hit spot-up threes and threes off the dribble, giving life to the Bradley Center on each of his four three-pointers -- after each one he was genuinely excited, and after each one of these games you can be genuinely excited too.

Beno Udrih. Only scored 1 of the 103 points, but along with Dunleavy, played the entire fourth quarter, during which time he dished out four assists. Udrih started the season in the mold of the scoring backup point guard we expected, notching 13, 8, and 8 points over the first three games. But of late, he is becoming a real distributor off the bench, racking up assists at a prodigious rate -- he now has 24 assists and 3 turnovers over the last four games.

Three Numbers

0. Two starting Pistons failed to score, as Brandon Knight was blanked for the first time in his NBA career, shooting 0-4 in 24 minutes, while Ben Wallace was blanked for the 12th time this season.

40-18. Detroit entered the game allowing opponents to shoot 66.7 % at the rim, bad enough for third worst in the NBA. Yet the Bucks were outscored 40-18 in the paint.

23/24. In all, 23 of the 24 active players on both teams played tonight. Stephen Jackson was the only exception.

Three Good

All The Way. The Bucks labored a bit in the second quarter and there were shaky moments -- but they led each and every one of the 48 minutes.

Good &. In the game immediately following my story and poll regarding possibilities for the team's ideal starting lineup, Andrew Bogut suffered a broken ankle, thereby eliminating all of the outlined options.

One of the main points that I tried to stress in the article was that Drew Gooden has played far, far better at his more natural power forward position than at center since in Milwaukee. And while overall numbers and logic still back that up, Gooden and the Bucks have improbably and undeniably excelled over the past couple games with Gooden starting at center, a testament both to Gooden's quality play as well as a positive reflection on the rotating cast of forwards around him.

Gooden's fine form continued tonight with 16 points on 7-9 shooting.

Next. The Bucks get to play the Pistons (in Detroit) on Friday...

Three Bad

Next. Unfortunately, the next two home games are against the Heat (Wednesday) and Bulls (Saturday).

Bored With Boards. Under Scott Skiles, the Bucks have historically been a strong rebounding team, and a strong defensive rebounding team. Last season, they ranked 8th in defensive rebounding percentage, the year before that, 4th. This year, however, they had fallen all the way to 27th entering tonight. Granted, Andrew Bogut has been out for a good (bad) portion of the season, but that is the world we live in.

Tonight, Detroit hauled in 13 offensive rebounds in the first half alone, and while they failed to convert many of those extra chances (5-15 shooting on second chance points overall), other teams will not be so forgiving.

I'm Sorry, Mr. Jackson. After the game, Stephen Jackson was asked if this was the first time he had not played at all in an NBA game, and he said yes. He said plenty of other things too.

Stephen Jackson: "I ain't surprised. They know how I feel. It ain't no secret. Everybody knows the situation, I'm going to cheer the team on and do what I've got to do."

And this will all be scrutinized, particularly as reports emerge that Dwight Howard wants to play with Jackson.

But what I saw after the game in the locker room was Jackson sharing light conversation and laughs with Brandon Jennings, whose locker is just one away from Jackson's.

The Bucks are 3-0 without Jackson, Skiles is finding the right combinations, and Jennings is playing the best ball of his life. Jackson cannot be thrilled, but as he likes to say, he is handling the situation like a professional. Like Scott Skiles, Jackson has a strong personality and strong opinions, but ultimately, they both operate in the best interest of their team. And ultimately, they both seem to be promoting and supporting Jennings, which is more important than anything else. So while this is obviously not an ideal situation, it also does not appear that it absolutely must be a destructive one either.


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J-S quotes Jackson

"My situation is going to get better soon. But until then I’m going to support these guys and continue to collect my check."

Sounds like he knows stuff we don’t.

by unklchuk on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 PM CST reply actions  

Most important thing to me is that everything be contained

We know the Bucks can win without Jax, but we didn’t know if Jax could handle it without becoming a distraction. There’s still time for that, but at the moment it seems like there’s an understanding. Perhaps the Bucks have told him they’re working on finding him a new home and he’s agreed to stay calm until then…that’s fine with me.

by Frank Madden on Jan 30, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

still think

moving Jackson might be involved with Howard.

trouble is I agree with whoever said our current over-achievers are likely to need someone else who can score.

a trade prob won’t bring much other than losing the contact.

by unklchuk on Jan 30, 2012 11:55 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Here we go again

trying to read into what Jackson’s every word. I think he handled himself very well for a guy who’s rightfully pissed off

by FearTheDeer on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty impressed with everybody

Honestly, I’m surprised there are trade rumblings for the guy so early in the season. I’m a believer in the “nobody is untradeable” mantra, but if all it takes to flip Jax for something—anything, really—is for a couple other players to mention it and get the rumors flying? Best-case scenario, as far as I’m concerned.

I harbor no ill feelings toward Jackson. Sure, he’s played poorly, but he’s in a tough situation. He was brought in to lead a team that shouldn’t really be his. He seems to have gifted the team (and Jennings) their swagger back to some extent. Really, things could’ve been SO much worse.

Now I’ll just keep my fingers crossed that things continue to run smoothly. This team just continues to (pleasantly) confuse and surprise me.

by Dan Sinclair on Jan 31, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I don’t plan to speculate a lot. Unless there’s news.

I agree he’s showing well. But not sure he’s got reasons to be pissed. I’d guess he just thinks this place isn’t right for him.

by unklchuk on Jan 31, 2012 12:19 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I am convinced that Hammond(s?) will pull something out of left field...

…and not necessarily involving Jackson. The (s?) refers to the lack of prediction of which John Hammond will turn up in the trade.

Fear the 'Dear'? You're damn right I'm scared of my wife!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jan 31, 2012 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what to make of this team's management more than I am unsure about the team itself.

Considering the Bucks are still under .500, did Hammond learn anything from his overstep on the brief non-nonsensical run in 2009-10, or is Hammonds thinking about pushing for a middling playoff seed again?

I hope he doesn’t get too jittery just yet and only makes a smaller, contained deal to accommodate Jax. Unless something amazing comes along, but with Bogut down I can’t see an amazing offer for anyone else hitting his table.

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by Steve von Horn on Jan 31, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

"My situation is going to get better soon. But until then I’m going to support these guys and continue to collect my check."

To me, that quote has to mean he expects to be moved. “until then I’m going to support these guys” makes that clear.

If Jax goes, we need a SG. We already need a C.

So I expect alchemist John H to be mixing up a lot of concoctions — trying to find gold.

I don’t really know what would further advance Mediocrity. A small move that just deducts Jackson. Or an ambitious move that adds a starter or perhaps 2.

by unklchuk on Jan 31, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess if your looking for a deeper meaning

to me I see a guy who just doesn’t think he’ll be benched for long, as in, they are paying me a lot of money, I’ll be back on the court soon.

by FearTheDeer on Jan 31, 2012 1:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I love trade rumours, it fascinates me

but as around only 0.02% (number completely made-up) of trade rumours ever come to fruition, I’m inclined to agree.

by AussieTom on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Jax made it deeper

The Fox postgame interview IMO lends credence to Jackson not long for Bucksland. Said he didn’t expect to talk to Skiles and didn’t need to talk to them, because they already knew his thinking. Said nothing that involved him being here. Said the team was winning but didn’t make himself part of it. His attitude told me he didn’t much care that he hadn’t played because of larger issues.

by unklchuk on Jan 31, 2012 2:58 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Jackson is many things,

but a dummy he is not. Any man who serves as his own agent for negotiations is one who’s able to see the big picture, and Cap’n Jack probably never thought for a second that he would become a fixture in Milwaukee.

Still, he’s always said the right things and done right by his teammates, so if his presence helped other people develop their game, his impact will be more meaningful than a few extra wins in an ultimately meaningless season.

I look at it like this: the Milwaukee-Sacramento-Charlotte trade netted us Shaun Livingston and Tobias Harris, both of whom are keepers, ridded us of John Salmons and Corey Maggette, both of whom are decidedly not, gave Jennings a few months of necessary (and evidently well-received) mentoring, and might allow us to flip Jackson for another collection of pieces. Not bad for our GM.

http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.

by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 31, 2012 3:46 AM CST up reply actions  

very well for a guy who's rightfully pissed off

I agree. And think it’s pretty amazing, given his inability to control his mouth w/ refs. Looking at what seems good chemistry on this team, I think Jackson has been a good influence. Doesn’t mean I want him to stay; they clearly play better w/o him. But if/when he leaves, I will have good feelings about him, not like Salmons/Maggette [Anthony Mason, Bobby Simmons, etc]
So much better than Salmons/Maggette, with Livingston & Udrih being great, I pronounce that was a good trade. Made the team better than last year. Right now, we look MUCH better than last year

by JaneG on Jan 31, 2012 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I definitely agree with the to-me-admirably-nuanced view that Stephen Jackson is not a bad boy in this situation. Despite the surface problems, I grant that he may have aided this team in learning how to compete and carry oneself. And he’s someone who makes the league more interesting.

Once Jax willfully overslept and showed other individualistic traits, many of the you’re-either-100%-with-us-or-you’re-100%-against-us types started hating — glad I didn’t see that here.

by unklchuk on Jan 31, 2012 7:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Damn. There likely are some here who really dislike Jackson. And now I seem to have insulted them. Those opinions, honestly held, belong here too (says the guy with no power in this forum). Damn damn. Perhaps what I’m hoping to say is that some places the haters gang up like a mob and their invective is like kicking the prostrate body of Rodney King. That doesn’t happen here. Bravo.

by unklchuk on Jan 31, 2012 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

a little confused by your three numbers Alex

You say 2 pistons didn’t score, then say 23 of 24 active players scored?

by AussieTom on Jan 31, 2012 1:15 AM CST reply actions  

Two great points
And ultimately, they both seem to be promoting and supporting Jennings, which is more important than anything else

This. This is what Jackson was brought in to do (mentor Young Buck), and it seems to be paying off.

(Jennings) looks so much more comfortable out there sharing so much court time with ballhandlers and passers like Shaun Livingston and Beno Udrih. Jennings hit spot-up threes and threes off the dribble, giving life to the Bradley Center on each of his four three-pointers — after each one he was genuinely excited…

This is why keeping Jennings is so important. What other player has Milwaukee had in the last few years (decades?) that evokes this type of response from both teammates and fans alike?

http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.

by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 31, 2012 1:16 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed 1,000,00% but just wondering

Can the Bucks lock him up early as kind of a gesture? What will be max money for him(doubting he’s going to win a MVP)

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 31, 2012 5:49 AM CST up reply actions  

They can re-negotiate contracts whenever they want (I think)

He isn’t and probably won’t ever be a max-money type player, but he’s the kind of guy that you’ll probably slightly overpay for.

I believe it was another commenter on another thread that said $40-50 mil over 5 years…obviously, the lower the cap figure, the better, but he’s looking like someone you want to lock up long-term.

If I were Jennings’ agent, I’d be willing to sign a 4-year deal for slightly less money now and later on (when he’s 26-27, right in his prime) cash in with that vaunted third deal that will take him past 32. Jennings’ next two contracts could easily be worth $80 million or more put together…but he’s got the rest of this season and next to prove that he’s a keeper.

http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.

by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 31, 2012 6:34 AM CST up reply actions  

True this could be a blip

But my gut says he’s turned the corner

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 31, 2012 6:54 AM CST up reply actions  

It certainly does feel that way, doesn't it?

(STEVE DON’T YOU DARE RUIN THIS FOR US WITH YOUR FANCY NUMBERS.)

http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.

by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 31, 2012 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Damnit, Mitchell, now Jennings is going to shoot 3 of 20 in the next game...

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 31, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, when the opponent is Miami

A victory will require that the stars be in weird alignment. Throw out the book. Maybe Jennings goes 3 of 20 — and Gooden gets a barrel of offensive boards and goes 20-14-5. And Dunleavy adds his own 18-5-5. And we win.

by unklchuk on Jan 31, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Is this the game where Leuer goes off for 30 points in 20 minutes or less?

I could totally support this scenario.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 31, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

You can probably take that to the bank

The less than 20 minute part anyway.

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 31, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

"...and continue to collect my check."

Might suggest he’s going to have to be patient. Wait for Mar 1 or something. Though it’s hard to imagine management DNP-CDing him that long.

But now that it seems clear he doesn’t see himself as giving up his alpha self-image to become our savvy complementary Jennings-mentoring vet leader, he won’t figure largely in my thoughts. Just another coulda-been-but-ain’t.

Plus, of course, another chance for Hammond to further rehab his GM image (after a slump) combined with a chance for continued slump.

by unklchuk on Jan 31, 2012 7:25 AM CST reply actions  

If Kaman is now the bad Kaman, and if we gave up future assets to get him, and he didn’t upgrade us from Gooden, that might show continued slump.

Would it be practical for us to foil such a trade by marooning Chris on the Cayman Islands? He should fit right in.

by unklchuk on Jan 31, 2012 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Lots of banks there

To deposit 14m

"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian

by CanadaBucks on Jan 31, 2012 7:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Clever puns FTW

http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.

by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 31, 2012 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

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