Magic 99, Bucks 94: Jason Richardson Is Magic Late In Milwaukee
by Alex Boeder on Feb 12, 2012 12:02 AM CST
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MILWAUKEE -- The Bucks lost a fourth quarter for the first time in a month, yes, but they lost more than that.
Early in the fourth, Milwaukee made a 13-0 run -- all Drew Gooden and Beno Udrih -- to go up 88-78. The 10-point lead was the largest margin of the game for either team, and with 5:44 remaining in regulation it was a good time to secure the largest margin of the game.
But then Jason Richardson drilled in four three-pointers to key a 16-0 run for Orlando. In less than three minutes, that 10-point lead was a 6-point deficit. And while Gooden and Ersan Ilyasova -- the two best players of the night for Milwaukee -- renewed some hope with threes of their own, this game was lost already.
And so the Bucks lost track of Jason Richardson, lost the fourth quarter, lost the game, and also lost their handle on the eighth spot in the East, after another Jeremy-Lin-Knicks win.
The Bucks were 12-15 two years ago and found a way back into the playoffs. But tonight, there is not the same kind of Magic in the air.
Three Bucks
Ersan Ilyasova. Turkish Delight. The numbers -- 17 points on 7-10 shooting, 16 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 0 turnovers -- paint a good picture. But the live performance was even better. Never has Ersan played a more assured game, honestly ruling the paint on a night when he shared the paint with Dwight Howard.
Ersan tipped rebounds to himself when he wasn't tipping rebounds to others, he alertly followed his own miss for a layup in the second quarter, he out-hustled and out-muscled four Magic players for a rebound at one point -- just lovely stuff.
Drew Gooden. During halftime, I watched him practice (just once) the infamous off-the-back-board-pass-to-himself. But for all of his charming and maddening basketball eccentricities, now is the time to seriously recognize Gooden as someone who has consistently stood out since Andrew Bogut went down -- on a team where everyone seems to blur together.
At one point, he stripped Howard on the defensive end and then called for the ball and spun around Ryan Anderson for a pretty basket on the offensive end. Another time, he sunk a jumper over Howard that may have caromed off the ceiling into the basket. And it is not like he was getting the benefit of calls against the NBA's only superstar center.
Gooden's defense on Howard (5-15 shooting for 11 points in 42 minutes) was one of the most impressive performances at the Bradley Center this season. That he had the leftover energy and skill to lead the team with 21 points along with 8 rebounds and 4 assists after all of his work on the defensive end only makes his night more monumental.
Mike Dunleavy. Personified the game for Milwaukee, for better and worse. Started fast with 8 points in the first quarter, and you wonder why he ever misses when he makes. But he ran out accuracy in the end, shooting 0-3 and not scoring while playing the entire fourth quarter.
Three Numbers
4-20. The starting backcourt of Brandon Jennings (3-14) and Shaun Livingston (1-6) combined to shoot 4-20 from the field.
17-9. The Bucks racked up 17 offensive rebounds compared to 9 for the Magic. Not bad, considering the Magic entered the game allowing opponents the lowest percentage of offensive rebounds in the NBA
28. Jason Richardson scored 28 points in the second half.
Three Good
Ersanator. This is exactly what I was thinking about when I used to spend a fair bit of time thinking about how Ersan could be an absolutely ideal player off the bench for a very, very good team. In Milwaukee.
Defending Howard. Gooden was aggressive from the start, and this was a team effort, but Gooden and Howard were both out there for 42 minutes. And Gooden got the best of him. Howard didn't scored until there was less than five minutes remaining in the first half, and even from there, never made a real impact offensively. This, after Howard came in with a long history of dominating Andrew Bogut and the Bucks.
Bench. For the second game in a row, Milwaukee's bench bested Milwaukee's starters, as reserves Ersan Ilyasova, Mike Dunleavy, and Beno Udrih were three of the four best players of the game for the Bucks.
Three Bad
Playoffs Off. The Knicks won again tonight, beating the Timberwolves in Minnesota -- without Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony or Baron Davis. And so even after an unspeakably disastrous start to the season in the Big Apple, the Bucks are percentage points behind New York for the final playoff spot. Worst of all, the Bucks appear very much fitted into the ninth spot, clearly not cut from the same cloth as even lower-tier playoff teams like Orlando or Boston, but also quite clearly better than teams like Cleveland and Toronto. So that leaves the Knicks and Bucks to battle for the final playoff spot. Does anyone feel good about that right now?
Development. Those two young players in the photo at the top? Did not play. They joined Harris on the DNP-CD list -- Harris has played two minutes since he scored 18 points and was the only good player on the team in the Bulls game. Everyone off the bench -- save Stephen Jackson -- played well, so you can understand why the three young forwards did not make it in... but losing is only more difficult when the draft picks of the last couple years are the only players to not play.
Pressing. Brandon Jennings and Stephen Jackson have stayed in the headlines this season, but not all press is good press. And lately, neither has attracted attention for the best of reasons. Jennings shot 3-14 from the field, 0-5 on threes, and scored just 7 points in 30 minutes, making it four below-average games out of the last five. Scott Skiles subbed out an in-form Beno Udrih for Jennings for the final 3:42 of the game, but Jennings went on only to miss a couple threes.
Meanwhile, Stephen Jackson shot 2-8 from the field, 0-4 on threes, and scored just 4 points in 19 minutes, and was subbed for good out early in the fourth quarter after an uneven night all-around.
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Yeah.
Not really sure what to say after a game like that…somehow you manage to contain Howard all night, take a double-digit lead midway through the fourth, and then Richardson/Turkoglu bomb you into oblivion. A number of guys still played reasonably well, but Magic moved it well, Bucks did a lot of collapsing, and we saw what happens when the Magic get a rhythm from distance.
That’s now four out of five bad games for Jennings.
How is Chris Duhon on an NBA roster?
Thought this was interesting in the post-game interview...
https://twitter.com/#!/StevevonHorn/status/168555123520450560
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by Steve von Horn on Feb 12, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
For those of us that aren't twits
What does it say?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Sorry about that. Didn't work at all
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by Steve von Horn on Feb 12, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
Scott Skiles asked about what he sees with Brandon Jennings in the last 6 games or so, compared to rest. Answer: "nothing I want to share."
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by Steve von Horn on Feb 12, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
Wow Scott tell us how you really feel
That’s priceless
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Maybe it's time for Udrih to get the start
As a statement.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
That sounds like quite the nuclear option
I don’t see publicly embarrassing your best player as the best move right now.
by Frank Madden on Feb 12, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Depends what motivates people
And I can’t say I know what makes BJ go but if he plays better with a “chip”. Of course Skiles would sit him down before the game and tell him but he has been pretty bad since Miami.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Just way too high risk IMO.
I haven’t been worried about his effort the last two games, so I don’t know what you can do motivation-wise to get his shot to start falling again…he’s never been benched like that before (I’m not counting when he came back from the foot injury), so this is would be a HUGE statement. Best case scenario he starts playing better again, worst case scenario you create a public fiasco with your best player who’s already had a combustible week. Don’t see the upside.
by Frank Madden on Feb 12, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
I judge the results, not the Coach's moves
But public embarrassment does sound risky.
In my view, it isn’t just J not making shots. It’s J not communicating with teammates. Throwing bad passes, etc., because he’s stuck inside his head. Not only not lifting his teammates, but perhaps making them feel alone.
Ok I step down from that statement
But you need to do something with him IMO
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
nowhere land
Looks to me the Bucks are stabilizing to finish 9th or 10th. Unless we figure Jennings will revive and Jackson will too and the others will continue to over-achieve.
Not sure what’s worse. Riding the rest of the season to Nowheresville. Or making a big, risky trade.
by unklchuk on Feb 12, 2012 2:14 AM CST via Android app reply actions
I would go for the second
Standing pat is the worst case scenario in a situation like this. We’re not letting our youngsters play, Jackson added a lot of negative emotions to the team (Brandon, I’m looking at you, too) and we cannot trust Bogut to stay on the floor for a long haul. To add to that, we’re losing one of our most consistent players, Ersan, after this year. What to be positive about, for real?
I would like to say it’s different, but no argument for that:) I cannot wait to see which team will win Sessions sweepstakes:)
by Mr.Lithuania on Feb 12, 2012 4:45 AM CST up reply actions
How would any trade constitute a risk?
I think we are in “nothing to lose” mode.
If it's a Win Now trade
That brings in another over-priced, over-aged vet at the cost of future assets.
Like our first-round pick
And leuer of Harris for Kaman or Brand or something like that? Agreed Chuk, think we need to subtract a couple bodies, we’re a team of maybe one legit starter and the rest bench guys, it’s probably why our bench looks so good, there’s little separation.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
There is no more "win now"
We have to shed our denial ….that includes management.
yah
It’s not Win Now – but that doesn’t mean they can’t continue to deny reality and make Win Now trades.
I might call the revised policy “Ostrich Now” (you know, bury one’s head in the sand and nothing bad can happen) except the phrase doesn’t exactly jump into memory and perhaps works a bit too hard.
I don’t see the Bucks capitulating at the trade deadline unless a) Bogut is not expected back at all and b) they fall well down the pecking order in the East. But honestly that’s still a possibility b/c the Knicks and Celtics SHOULD be better than they have been. I get why the org feels huge pressure to win some games and bring some energy back to the BC, but this team is obviously limited in terms of its ceiling anyway. Is it worth it? Meh…
Some obvious moves to make in that scenario:
1) Trade Ersan to a contender for some kind of pick. They tried this last year around draft time as well, but you’d think he might be worth SOMETHING at this point given how much of a beast he’s been on the boards. Wouldn’t a bunch of contenders love to have a guy like Ersan off the bench?
2) You should be trying to dump Jackson regardless of where the team is in the pecking order. I think he could contribute as a 20 mpg guy here if he had the right mindset, but I don’t think he feels he’s a 20 mpg guy. And in the end it just doesn’t help to have a combustible guy who isn’t happy with his role around. Problem is he’s so difficult to trade, so it’s likely to be garbage in/garbage out. But I’d probably prefer new garbage to old garbage…
3) If you can dump Jax and deal Ersan then you play Leuer, Sanders and Tobias more. Maybe it doesn’t win you more games (though I’m not convinced it wouldn’t), but I can live with that. Especially important to figure out if Sanders is going to be a player or a 10-15 mpg the rest of his life.
by Frank Madden on Feb 12, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Really like to see what it would take
For Kahn to give up Williams, he’s not playing much and maybe they want a sniff at the post-season. Think Ersan could help that team in a smallish line-up.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Moving Delfino would open the door for Jackson
We know Del, we need to see what Jax can do over a period of time.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Jax has been around long enough in the league though
I think we know what he can do based on the last few years…and I don’t think it’s enough to be making roster moves to accommodate him.
by Frank Madden on Feb 12, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Same can be said for Delfino
Not a blockbuster move. And Jax had our only 30 point game this year. Also means more minutes for Harris if he fails.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks
Should have said by our wings. But also Carlos is easier to deal; lower salary, quiet guy.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't like the message that it sends
Delfino isn’t great but he plays hard on both ends, fits in a role, has his moments, and doesn’t complain about it. Fairly paid. I’ll take that over Jax any day.
by Frank Madden on Feb 12, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Few moments
His shots are just as hard as his play. The deal for Jackson already gave a message.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Tired of being conservative
Gooden has responded well, even though he’s another roll of the dice.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
I have to disagree Frank....
You deal him to a contender if one is interested what bad message is there?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Ersan.
Missed the the game but good stats by Ersan. According to NBA.com he’s with 8th in the league in rebounds per 40 mins at 16.4.
It's funny because he's soooo soft on offense.
...BRANDONJENNINGSSUX!!!
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Feb 12, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Three point shooting
I did not watch the game, but from looking at the box score I have a question and a comment.
Shaun Livingston attempted and made one?
The Magic attempted 37 and made 15. Is it any wonder that Stephen Jackson and every other player who has had even a little three point shooting success wants to play with Dwight Howard?
by Southern Marxist on Feb 12, 2012 6:58 AM CST reply actions
Good point
Theoretically, the best offense for Howard is to clear out the paint and surround him with shooters. Precisely what Orlando has done…but they only got one trip to the Finals with it, so how sound a strategy is it, really?
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 12, 2012 7:13 AM CST up reply actions
Livingston had made one three-pointer since 2008 before last night.
Magic lead NBA in three-pointers made and attempted.
by Alex Boeder on Feb 12, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Livingston had an open corner look at it and didn't hesitate
He short-armed a similar one in Cleveland, so my guess is that he has the green light. Wouldn’t be surprising—Skiles basically encourages everyone to shoot outside their typical range (Gooden, Bogut).
by Frank Madden on Feb 12, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Beno finish?
reading this summary makes me wonder if it might not have been better to leave Beno, who was doing so well, in instead of bringing back Brandon. I know this is hindsight, and I know Brandon has generally been great in 4th quarters this season…
But this reminds me of the Atlanta game which seemed like we shoulda/coulda won if Skiles had been more thoughtful about who finished the game…
I was feeling so great at the timeout w/ 5:43 to go. I watched the rest of the game in disbelief, luckily feeling nothing..
At that 5:43 mark...
…I tamped down the feeling we were going to earn a good victory and reminded myself that Orlando was dangerous and our “leader” Jennings was off kilter. Once the lead started to disappear (rapidly) I didn’t expect the Bucks to be able to mount a counter-attack. We have some tough pieces, but they add up to soft.
Beno? He played well up until shortly before Skiles took him out. A fan from his previous stop had said we would find out the Beno was not good in the clutch. The shots he was making looked confident. The last shot looked something else. Plus his sub-standard defense plus Gooden’s sub-standard defense (normally I would describe his defense as sub-sub-standard, but he had a pretty fair night against soso Howard) might have been a crunch time problem. Maybe Skiles agrees with that west coast fan.
It's a crap shoot with these guys
But a least give Beno another couple possessions.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I would have liked to see Beno stay in, though he had just turned the ball over and missed a jumper right before the substitution…
by Alex Boeder on Feb 12, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Solution
Play them together. What happened to the Luke Ridnour strategy?
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
A little over a month to decide
Buyers, sellers or bystanders. I have to believe a guy like Ersan’s trade value is likely at an all-time high so he is probably the biggest decision along with Jax and maybe Delfino who at almost 40% from deep with good D would fit in well with a contender. Any type of picks or young players would be acceptable to me for any of these guys. I’d just hate to see locking up Ersan long-term based on 1/2 season.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Ersan is still shooting just 41.9 % from the field, which is down from the past two years. Although his 3PT% is up to 40.0 % — he is still a power forward shooting 41.9 % from the field. I love the rebounding and the hustle and I do think he could turn out to be a very nice player off the bench for a real contender, but…
by Alex Boeder on Feb 12, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
I think we can get
A middle to late first for him, and why shouldn’t we try for that, it is as they say better than nothing. A lot of teams in the West could use him and maybe we get lucky and they fall out of the playoffs.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I thinks he's going back to Turkey
So someone would have to rent him or we could get as much mileage as possible.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
If he team thinks he can help them
1. Make the playoffs
2. Go deeper in the playoffs
3. Win the Finals
A mid to late first would be nothing, but we could hit the jackpot. and the other team could either let him go to turkey or try to sign him. If he goes to Turkey we get zilch anyway.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
This game..
I was more upset over this loss than any loss since the few easy ones we fudged up at the beginning of the year…. We’re in a dark place right now, at a crossroads of our season.
But now we’ll probably end up beating Miami again tomorrow and everything will be completely ok again, that’s just how this season has gone so far. I don’t know if I can handle much more rollercoasting.
Don't know if it's in the NBA by-laws, but...
I think we fans deserve something other than this roller-coasting.
I lack Steve’s advanced analysis ;) but when use the abacus to average the roller highs with the roller lows, I get, well, mediocre.
Extremely frustrating loss. I get that when someone is as hot as Richardson, thing might not go your way, but it would not have been a 16-0 run if the Bucks had, you know, scored during that time.
by Alex Boeder on Feb 12, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Detroit just won four straight
Thanks to us and an easier stretch. But our schedule is balanced with parity. Needed to have a better start to this season. 18-9 without the giveaways.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Think the record reflects our play
You could easily say 9-18 without the unexpected wins.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Which states the obvious
We are not a better team…we are fair to middling I think, might have been nice to see with Bogut but that’s not happening.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
On Jennings
The worst possible scenario is Jennings giving up ….
Question becomes: Is there anybody in this organization – front office or player – with the ability to have a heart-to-heart chat with this kid?
Don't think it's Hammond
Could be Skiles. I think Skiles can understand Jennings. Not sure he can relate to him.
Come to reflect on it, if Skiles understands Jennings he may give up on him. ;(
Jennings is the one who needs to understand
Pampered players are not desired.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Man, I am getting sick of the one sided Jeremy Lin love fest going on with the media
Okay, his rise is surprising and the Knicks certainly needed a point guard this season, but the coverage is so puffy I can’t stand it. My feeling is that there wouldn’t be nearly as much of a stir if he wasn’t Asian. His race has been the focus of most coverage I’ve read, from the NY Times to Yahoo! Sports. I understand that China is the hot demographic and that the NBA wants to fill the gaping hole left by Yao’s shoes. Unfortunately, the stories, which often feature Asian-Americans who don’t care for/understand the game of basketball, are trite and embarrassing. A lot of players have hot streaks. This feels like the perfect storm for terrible sports writers.
The story for me boils down to: player who didn't get chance earlier gets chance in the most offensively empowering system for a point in the NBA, does well.
Not really a story. Yes, he has done well and I don’t mean to detract from his success in any way, but the coverage has me gagging.
by MadTown Hoops on Feb 12, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Plus two guys putting up close to 50 a game
Are not playing so once they come back…………….
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
I have to agree MTH
We are talking five starts…………..I am getting tired of it too.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
It's New York, that's why ....
The NBA and media have always shoved big market success down our throats. David Stern would give his left arm for the Knicks to thrive again.
That's true enough, but what about the money quotes that celebrate Asian-Americans while secretly mocking them
"He is so much what I am," said Stanley Lee, 28, who had been a Knicks fan for all of two days. He ticked off the similarities: Chinese-American, Christian and athletic. (Lee said he had completed several triathlons.) And they both were underdogs, too. "I know what it’s like to be picked last," Lee said.
"I don’t even follow football," one woman said. "Wait, this isn’t football."
"In Asian culture, you’re supposed to do hard work and you’ll get noticed," he said. "All the hard work I’ve put into where I am — maybe I could be that executive."
There was a pause in the conversation. Daniel Chao spoke up. "I mean," he said, in a slightly stunned voice, "an Asian-American dunked."
The number of racist presumptions required to swallow this and other stories about Lin is staggering. How is valuing hard work an “Asian” thing? Why can’t an Asian-American dunk? What do playground traumas have to do with any of this?
The thing is that this has all happened before; both when Lin was signed to the Warriors (there were stories about how Lin would energize the bay area’s asian-american population to go watch some basketball) and in Milwaukee, when we wasted an essential pick on Yi Jianlian. Remember the tripe that was associated with Yi’s time in Milwaukee? Maybe this terrible “article” from AolNews will refresh you.
http://www.aolnews.com/2007/08/04/lack-of-hot-chinese-women-why-yi-jianlian-is-shunning-milwaukee/
The subtext is that the asians featured in these stories are fair race fans whose only loyalty is to the color of a given player’s skin. This simple-minded worldview can’t be good for basketball and it certainly isn’t a way to reach universal tolerance and understanding.
by MadTown Hoops on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
That is literally the worst thing I have ever read.
...BRANDONJENNINGSSUX!!!
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Feb 12, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Probably because you never read this
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-10926964
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
i disagree
i believe the amount of coverage is completely warranted. Undrafted talent rarely makes a noise at all in the NBA and especially in a large market like New York. AND the fact is that the Knicks have won five games he has started WITHOUT Melo and Amare is incredible.
If you got a chance to watch the Lakers game it was amazing to see him play. The amount of energy he instills in his team is awesome.
It sure is alot more fun watching Lin and Chandler run a high pick and roll than Jennings and Gooden
by Charlie_Buckets on Feb 12, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
This isn’t just a random guy having a few good games…there’s really little to no precedent for a guy doing this in his first five starts. It should not be happening, but it is. It would be the best story in the NBA even without the ethnic factor, but that gives it another unique dimension. The coverage of that angle is beginning to get repetitive and trite, but there’s never been an Asian-American who has done anything like this in the NBA—and I think the American part makes it very different from Yao.
by Frank Madden on Feb 12, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
I guess for me because of the hype that accompanied his rookie season, it feels like he's just now living up to the expectations that the media set
I was disappointed with his production until this point. His sudden outburst is incredible and the basketball stories are somewhat warranted, though the volume and type of coverage is not. There has been a daily cover story on the New York Times dedicated to him this week and the stories I read (before I started tuning it out) had little to do with basketball.
by MadTown Hoops on Feb 12, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's more about the Knicks
Asian factor just a bonus.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't swallow every self-seving slant the media throws out.
As for Lin’s breakout, any little-known player dong what he is doing would have garned this attention.
Pun not intended?
Anyway I have to disagree with you Tommy, my wife is a self-described banana(Asian-Canadian)and I know her parents(her father especially) embrace anything to do with China and I’m sure next time I see him Jeremy Lin will be a big topic, even though he doesn’t really follow hoops. I’m not saying it’w wrong, I think it’s great for people to embrace their culture but if this was any other undrafted guy, yes it would be a story but nowhere near the scale it is on now. Think the fact that it’s New York makes it even worse but it is getting blown out of proportion I think.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Allow we to qualify what I said ...
I meant that coverage of his basketball side would be the same, regardless of ethnicity. The act that he is Asian, a rarity in the NBA, has prompted additional coverage and ethnic loyalty. So on that level, I think we agree.
Deal
I think you hit the nail on the head, but if it gets more people watching, it’s great.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Lin’s story is objectively pretty incredible. Undrafted from university known for academics rather than athletics, bounced around NBA, leading team to five straight wins including against Kobe, Rubio without star players like Amare and Carmelo.
And there is substance: He has the 4th best PER in the NBA: LeBron, Paul, Durant, Lin, Wade, Love, Bryant, Rose, Howard… I don’t expect him to stay up there as the minutes pile up, but so far, pretty amazing.
Asian Tony Romo
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Don't need a blockbuster trade.
Just another Salmons type deal. He cost us Joe Alexander and Hakim Warrick. How about shopping Delfino and Sanders and signing Pryz or JR Smith?
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 12:34 PM CST reply actions
I might ask why?
Would either of them make this team better? Maybe Salmons came from nowhere but personally I’d rather trade for picks or young unproven guys(like Xavier Henry who went Memphis to NO). Wouldn’t trade Sanders, Harris or Leuer and BJ only if I got something I couldn’t refuse. Anyone else is fair game IMO. Just think we will be sellers come deadline day.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
They would fill out the roster
In areas where we need help; perimeter shooting and interior defense. I’m just afraid of the way this organization drafts when they pick higher.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Kent Benson, Andrew Bogut
Joe Alexander, tractor Traylor I don’t know what you mean……………..
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with Canada
I am not sure they would need to “fill out a roster” predicated on need.
Rebuilding involves more than youth
Guys like Harris and Leuer are great for the future, but you can’t have a full team of them. Guys get injured, sign with other teams, etc. We have veteran talent to trade and they should do something to improve the present as well as the future.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
That was a mind-boggler to me
If 8 D-League games told you he wasn’t going to be a pro, how sold were you on him in the first place? I scratch my head wondering why they signed him again especially when there were stronger needs and an extra roster spot never hurts.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Good question
We obviously never saw much from him, but in that span it was difficult to tell how he was going to fit in. He’s not a very young guy (ie upside), not an athletic guy, not a great shooter. Probably needs to be handling the ball a fair bit to make an impact. Not sure how much the surgeries have limited him.
That said, the 2010 second round has basically been a complete bust aside from Fields, so I can’t say I’m all that broken up about it. Would be better if we had just kept Meeks, but so it goes.
by Frank Madden on Feb 12, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
TBH other than Cousins and Wall
Who else has had a really big impact in what was supposed to be a good and deep draft.(I probably missed one other one but can’t think atm)
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
2010 Draft
Greg Monroe (#7 pick) is a top five or six center in the NBA right now, and Paul George (#10) and Evan Turner (#2) are important contributors on rising teams, but yeah, not much panning out outside the top ten yet…
Also should be noted...
All deals became guaranteed for the remainder of the season a week or two ago, so my assumption is that the Bucks saved money by doing it then.
by Frank Madden on Feb 12, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
True I just saw that somewhere
But still doesn’t show me why they signed him in the first place, it’s not like they had much time to judge him.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
That says something about the D League
Although its fun to watch. Bobby Simmons played today on TV.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
I wish the NBA had a legitimate minor league system, I think the only team that uses the D League effectively is the Rockets
Because their GM is a Stats Rockstar
by MadTown Hoops on Feb 12, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
But you start with youth, then filln gaps.
My point is that you need a paradigm shift.
There are plenty of those.
But we are not going to win the lottery. Our youth has to develop and we need them to be on a good team.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
I think after what we've seen from Maggette and Jackson we can't afford to gamble on J.R. Smith
Our team culture is just too fragile to withstand the cancers of the NBA. In an L.A. or Miami, J.R. Smith would be lights out, at least when he is on a streak. In Milwaukee, players like him, i.e. selfish jerks who don’t see their teammates, just can’t help but pout their way into the doghouse. Skiles is not a coddler. Also, games would devolve into episodes of Who Shot Other Than J.R.?
by MadTown Hoops on Feb 12, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
That was kind of the reason I posted that one, glad you got the reference
by MadTown Hoops on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Take the chance
I would take on a head case for a guy who can hit. He and Jackson would distract from each other. Maggette was playing the best of any Buck toward the end of the year when he suffered another injury. Then Skiles benched him when he came back. So, I don’t put all the blame on Corey.
by toasterrebound on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I agree I'm not sure Maggette caused any problems
Skiles obviously didn’t want to play him but I’m not sure Corey was a cancer.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Missed that one sorry
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I wish they would have
But he brought us RJ, who brought us Delfino. Rollercoaster again.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
You think the Delfino trade was good?
Would like Amir Johnson on this team(especially now though for less than what the Raps are paying him). Weems and Ukic might have been a wash though.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
by CanadaBucks on Feb 12, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't know much about Johnson either
So I think that part was the wash.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
It's sad that Hammond only seems to go after known quantities, hasn' shown any talent finding diamonds in the rough, Livingston might be the closest, though Delfino was a great pickup
by MadTown Hoops on Feb 12, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
So was Salmons
And we gave up on him a lot quicker.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Would rather have Weems
But at the time, I knew nothing about him. Is Weems injured?
He was a RFA
Don’t know if he was signed or maybe went overseas..
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
The second one
He was redundant on Toronto, good slasher, no shot(DeRozan). Not sure he plays D either.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Weems isn't in the NBA anymore
He had a nice first season and stunk last year. I’m losing zero sleep about giving him up…
by Frank Madden on Feb 12, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
FWIW
Sonny Weems – CURRENT STATS (Get DB subscription to see detailed stats)
Season: 2011-2012 (VTB United League )
Avarage
Team G MIN PTS 2FGP 3FGP FT RO RD RT AS PF BS ST TO
Zalgiris 11 26.0 10.5 52.3% 35.7% 70.8% 0.7 3.5 4.3 1.5 2.1 0.5 0.9 2.2
Season: 2011-2012 (Euroleague )
Avarage
Team G MIN PTS 2FGP 3FGP FT RO RD RT AS PF BS ST TO
Zalgiris 13 29.5 16.0 50.8% 40.0% 66.7% 0.9 4.3 5.2 1.2 2.3 0.2 1.0 3.1
Season: 2011-2012 (Lithuania )
Avarage
Team G MIN PTS 2FGP 3FGP FT RO RD RT AS PF BS ST TO
Zalgiris 10 23.9 10.2 48.4% 29.2% 67.7% 0.5 3.9 4.4 1.6 2.1 0.1 1.5 2.2
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
That seems to be the trend
With many of our players.
by toasterrebound on Feb 12, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
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