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Podcast: Jon Leuer, Tobias Harris, Scott Skiles And The Meaning Of The Minutes Crunch

The Milwaukee Bucks have the makings of a very solid 2011 draft class. First-round pick Tobias Harris (18.21 PER) and second-round pick Jon Leuer (17.73 PER) rank No. 3 and No. 4 among all NBA rookies in John Hollinger's Player Efficiency Rating (PER), but they are averaging just 11.3 and 13.3 minutes per game, respectively. In other words, neither player is getting the floor time that their performance level merits, and now Bucks fans are flashing a more than inquisitive stare in the direction of head coach Scott Skiles.

Frank and Steve identify and explore the reasons why Harris and Leuer have struggled to find their niche in the rotation, but are the answers satisfying in the end? Take a listen to this installment of the Brew Hoop podcast and tell us what you think. (Note: click this link to listen on your smartphone).

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by DGub on Feb 15, 2012 9:33 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

Did you try the link version or the embedded flash player?

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by Steve von Horn on Feb 15, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I see the link for smartphones is busted.

Thanks for the heads up. Trying a temporary fix on the link until iTunes uploads the latest one.

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by Steve von Horn on Feb 15, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Think it should work now. Let me know if not. I will try to make it a link to iTunes when it is updated.

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by Steve von Horn on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the quick fix and excellent podcast!

by DGub on Feb 15, 2012 10:41 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Question

I have been meaning to ask: given that the Sen. wont sign off on a total rebuild, it seems Hammond is doing it subtly anyway, and this team is more setup for 2 to 3 yrs from now, is it just me? (this is yaking into acct contracts that expire in said time frame and the young bucks drafted to replace them).

by DGub on Feb 15, 2012 10:46 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Fungible!

“Fungible”! nice word, sent me to the dictionary and it’s real apt.
enjoyed this podcast. I liked the evenhanded rational explanations of Skiles’ minute-giving. On Leuer and Harris. On Gooden. Smart, realistic, good-humored comments.
I myself think that for the first time in years, we actually have 2 good rookies, although I’m not desperate to see them playing a lot now, I hope we don’t waste them…

by JaneG on Feb 15, 2012 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for the kind words and glad you enjoyed the podcast (and the use of "fungible" :)).

I’m on board with hoping the organization doesn’t waste their talents as well. There is some threshold where these guys might lose their confidence if they are left off the floor too often, so Skiles should find time for them even if only for the sake of throwing them a bone and putting them in game situations that accentuate their strengths and minimize their deficiencies.

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by Steve von Horn on Feb 15, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Skiles Does Play Rookies?

I’m sorry narrators of podcasts but ya lost me when seemingly trying to explain away this notion has fact, that Bucks/Skiles DOES play rookies. OK, you sight BJ and Prince. I’ll give ya that. The first because, in part, a first round pick,and on the back end of a line of draft picks that didn’t work. Thus, show cased, to some extent, to illustrate see we can make a decent pick. Prince, second round, was nice, and one wonders if it was a fluke?

What I do know fella’s, check, what I Have seen, is far too many poor picks, number one. ANd, if those unfortunate souls that happen to be drafted by Milwaukee; are then being released, traded, or otherwise dismantled long before having a opportunity to shine. And, one does that by playing. You said yourself after declaring this ‘fact’…….Leuer was pulled immediatly after missing one shot……. An example to counter your own Skiles plays rookie thinking, and / or, If he does, it comes with extreme conditions.

Skiles, when asked about a week/ten days ago stated, “I just can’t throw Harris and Leuer out there yet…Sure, they got the offensive side down well enough, but….defensivly? No, untill they…learn then I’ll be subjected to putting them in when we’re up by alot, or down by alot”. So, at least for the ‘wasting ’ part…there’s no worries mate?

It just seems to me that overwhelmingly fans have been bitter with Skiles for not allowing many a pick to have more playing time; often giving that time to vets negating then, the growth these young men can have for the future. And as important, the development of the team?

“Nothing worse then wasted talent”
--DeNiro——-(Bronx Tale)——-

by ks13and1 on Feb 15, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

Not quite sure I'm following the logic in your post.

You agree that Skiles has played indeed rookies (Jennings and LRMAM), and those happen to be the best ones he has been given during his run with the Bucks, but still say he doesn’t play rookies.

Then you say he has been given “far too many poor picks,” but then say that the ones he doesn’t play are “released, traded, or otherwise dismantled long before having a opportunity to shine.” Joe Alexander, Jodie Meeks, Darington Hobson and Tiny Gallon (those are the only other rookies he has had that have departed) have gone on to shine? Even with Meeks, Skiles played him 12 min per game, which is the same run get got after being traded to Philly that season. With Meeks it is also the case that Hammond shipped him out because they thought the Jennings/Meeks backcourt was too small to compete with NBA starters.

As for those still here, Sanders has yet to shine or suggest that he will (except in very isolated facets of the game), and Leuer and Harris are stuck behind vets who know Skiles’ defensive system in the SF/PF logjams.

Not exactly sure where you might disagree with our assessment, but I’d love to continue the conversation.

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by Steve von Horn on Feb 15, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

So many

Bad picks…I started being a bucks fan around the time Marcus Haislip was chosen ninth…how many top 15 picks, of the bucks, are still in the NBA?

by DGub on Feb 15, 2012 11:29 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Skiles may not go out of his way to play rookies, but you could say the same about pretty much every other coach. I think the frustration many fans feel is probably more related to the unpredictability of his rotations in general, which tends to be exacerbated in the case of rookies.

by Frank Madden on Feb 15, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Opportunity To Play Young Players

Without Bogut, the Bucks are struggling mightily to get to .500. At best, we sneak into the playoffs merely to face the Bulls or the Heat. (By the way, it is hard to be optimistic that this team without Bogut is good enough to reach the playoffs.) I am not sure that there is much to lose by playing Leuer, Harris and Sanders extended minutes to accelerate their development. With the injury to Bogut, Skiles/Hammond now have the cover to play their young players to be able to truly assess what the Bucks need for the next couple of years to make moves to upgrade the roster to be truly competitive before we risk losing Jennings. If it fails (and the young players do not improve), the Bucks have a higher draft pick. It these players develop during the year, we are no worse off record wise than we are today.

by bwpngold on Feb 15, 2012 11:40 AM CST reply actions  

I generally agree, but there is an important nuance holding the Bucks back from that right now.

The NBA management structure generally mirrors the corporate structure. The coach is like a mid-level manager that is tasked with getting the most of what he is given to work with on a day-to-day, week-to-week and month-to-month basis. Coaches are paid to maximize the number of wins they can scrape of a season, and that goes double for veteran coaches like Skiles that make a healthy salary.

GMs are like the CEO, they should be the ones keeping the long-term view at the front of their picture. The year-to-year goals, the 2-3 year play for reaching a level of meaningful competition, etc.

The logjam at SF and PF gives Skiles veteran options who know his defensive system better than the rookies, so naturally Skiles is going to gravitate towards the known quantities while trying to do his job and win every next game and collect as many games as possible in the season. It is Hammond’s responsibility to clear out the vets via trade if the organization is moving into a developmental stage and rebuilding towards another 2-3 year plan. As of now, he has provided Skiles with an army of veteran players and should expect that his coach will use them.

To this point, Hammond hasn’t really signaled that he’d like it to be any other way. He keeps giving Skiles vets, and Skiles keeps playing them. I think the GM is stuck in the middle, as he can’t decide if he will survive a second run at a rebuild, thus the Bucks soldier on.

To me, it makes more sense to be upset with Hammond than Skiles on where the opportunities for the rookies currently stand. Skiles is just doing his job.

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by Steve von Horn on Feb 15, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I mostly agree, except the part about Hammond keeps giving Skiles vets. I’m not sure, but think the total # of yrs in the nba on the bucks is lower this year than last, which is lower than the year before. Hence the bucks ARE getting younger as a team.

by DGub on Feb 15, 2012 12:21 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Not a Skiles Issue

The Bucks are very fortunate to have coach Skiles. I agree that he is just doing his job. However, Mr. Hammond has the ability to steer coach Skiles in a bit different direction. I am not sure that it is a 2-3 year rebuild job. With all of the spare parts, Mr. Hammond should have enough assets to modify the roster quickly. For instance, Gooden is having a very strong year. With Bogut back, he will not have the same opportunities to play. He is an asset that might provide the Bucks something in return. If the young players are provided more court time, Mr. Hammond should have enough information to identify the “keepers” (by the way, Ilyasova should be on this list) and package the spare parts to fill in the weaknesses. We won’t get a superstar (unless we are fortunate in the draft), but we will have a better fitting roster to make a real push.

by bwpngold on Feb 15, 2012 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

At this point..

I’d take nuclear waste for Stephen Jackson. If anything, with that story maybe we’d get on SportsCenter for like the third time this year?? I can just see it now rolling along the bottom of the screen during another Bulls@Celtics game on a Friday night…

Bucks trade disgruntled veteran Stephen Jackson for 2024 2nd round pick and 1 ton of nuclear refuse in a 3 team deal with the Nets and 3 Mile Island

by jtcooky on Feb 15, 2012 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

Did you try that in the Trade Machine?

by Alex Boeder on Feb 15, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

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