Bulls 113, Bucks 90: Derrick Rose Rises, Milwaukee Falls
MILWAUKEE -- The Bucks won the tip. And then it was all downhill. Rather, it was all uphill.
Derrick Rose stunned the Bucks with 16 points in the first six minutes of the game. Stunned -- but to be fair, did not really surprise. We have seen this show before.
The last time that Rose and the Bulls visited Milwaukee, Rose orchestrated a 12-0 run to close the game with 10 points and an assist in the final five minutes of one of the most draining losses in a long line of draining losses last season. Rose picked up tonight exactly where he left off last March, making half of the Bradley Center dizzy with euphoria, the other half of the Bradley Center dizzy with despair.
The Bulls scored 67 points in the first half for those still wondering if the team is actually better off without Andrew Bogut. So at halftime, the Bucks were down by 23, Brandon Jennings was scoreless, and Benny the Bull was dunking. It was just one of those nights in the Bucks/Bulls rivalry -- it was just another one of those nights in the Bucks/Bulls rivalry.
Three Bucks
Tobias Harris. The Bucks deliberately went to Harris with some regularity early on tonight. That is both a reflection of how quickly the first nine or ten options failed but also of how comfortably Harris operated.
With a nose for the rim and a soft touch on his shot, Harris punched in a personal-best 17 points on 8-14 from the field as Scott Skiles rightly gave him a career-high 29 minutes. And while Skiles has a long and consistent history of downplaying what happens in garbage time -- and the final three quarters were just that -- he did find some kind words for Tobias post-game.
Scott Skiles: Tobias is going to be able to score the ball. Still on the other end he's got an awful long way to go. Like a lot of rookies, when he gets into the game and gets the ball, he's going to shoot into double teams and things like that, but that's typical. He's got bounce around the basket. Tobias is going to be a very good player.
That last part seemed important coming from someone who does not make a habit of saying such things.
Drew Gooden. Typically bizarre game by Gooden, who scored just two fewer points than Derrick Rose (24 to 26) on 11 fewer field goal attempts (13 to 24), but did not pick up his first rebound until the third quarter.
Following a real off game in Detroit, returned as a serious source of offense, going strong in the lane and drawing fouls like no one else on the team can -- Gooden made 10-10 free throws in the first half while everyone else in the building combined to attempt one free throw. Clearly did not offer the requisite defense or rebounding, but was really the only starter to show up when the whistle blew.
Jon Brockman. The Bucks tied the Bulls 26-26 in the fourth quarter, even as Scott Skiles held out all of the starters while Tom Thibodeau for reasons unknown insisted on playing most of his first line. Brockman did as well as you can hope Brockman will do, pulling down a few offensive boards, committing a hard foul, and even getting on the scoreboard.
Three Numbers
31-15. The Bulls racked up more than twice as many assists as the Bucks, as Derrick Rose proved even more brilliant as a distributor (13 assists, 0 turnovers) than as a scorer (26 points on 24 shot attempts).
14-1. Chicago knocked down 14-30 (.467) three-pointers, while Milwaukee made just 1-12 (.083). Entering the game, the Bulls were at 36.8 % from long range while the Bucks were at 32.4 %. So, this was a bit extreme.
20.51. Bulls backup point man C.J. Watson started tonight ranked 32nd in the entire NBA with a 20.51 PER. Brandon Jennings entered the game ranked 31st, with a 20.64 PER. After their respective performances tonight, Watson probably passed up Jennings. And the Bulls also have Derrick Rose to help out at point when necessary.
Three Good
He's Got The Funke. We do not have any real reading yet whether the draft pick of Tobias Harris will prove to be a real hit, but evidence increasingly points to it not being a complete miss.
Down, But Back Up. Scott Skiles sat all five starters for the entire fourth quarter while Tom Thibodeau bizarrely played Derrick Rose and most of his first line for the majority of the final quarter with a 20+ point lead. I point this out just to say that I am grateful that Skiles -- unlike Thibodeau -- does not tend to needlessly risk injury to his stars (okay, Brandon Jennings) on either end of a blowout (and that the reserves actually tied Chicago's mostly starters 26-26 in the fourth). I am sad that Skiles nonetheless watches his players fall to injury every year anyway.
Sold. With a crowd of 17,817, this game marked the first sellout of the year at the Bradley Center. Granted, there were more Bulls than Bucks fans at the game -- or least more vocal ones -- but it made for an exciting atmosphere, at least. Probably the loudest roar of the entire season to date was at the crescendo of the National Anthem tonight.
Three Bad
Deep Six. The Bucks have now dropped six straight games to the Bulls, and none of them feel particularly good.
Up And Down. There is no shame in being outplayed by Derrick Rose. Pretty much everyone in the NBA was outplayed by Derrick Rose last season until the Bulls point guard ran into LeBron James in the playoffs. However, this made it two straight frustrating games both offensively and defensively for Brandon Jennings, who was coming off being outdone by Brandon Knight in a loss to Detroit. With his fantastic start to the season, along with loss of Andrew Bogut and apparent loss of Stephen Jackson, expectations are greater than ever and there is more weight and the shoulders of Jennings than ever, so these nights (4-10 shooting, 8 points, 5 assists, 0 turnovers, 4 fouls) are hard to take.
Passive. The Bulls attempted four free throws tonight. How is that possible? After the game, I (rhetorically) asked Scott Skiles if he thought that his team was not as aggressive defensively tonight.
Scott Skiles: That would be a kind way of putting it. It wasn't last night either... To me, the biggest stat on the sheet was that we only had eight fouls in a game where Derrick Rose was just penetrating, penetrating, penetrating.
Jon Brockman clobbered Joakim Noah in the fourth quarter, but that was the only memorable instance of defensive aggression. I was pretty surprised on one play in the midst of Derrick Rose's first quarter barrage that Drew Gooden did not take the opportunity to deliver a hard foul when he had the chance, and it continued on that way all night, as the Bulls threw down dunks and got layups with little resistance.
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Checked the middle of a game thread
…when I got home tonight. Gloom abounded. Skipped to the 3rd quarter. Ho hum. No paint defense hurts. So does passive play. So… they’re not as good as the up streak. And prob not as bad as the last 2 games. How good? Prob mediocre plus if they get some confidence back. Mediocre minus if their confidence quits.
Chance of helping the franchise this season? Dropping fast. Chance of a desperate trade that gives future assets and doesn’t help enough? Rising.
Time for rock-solid GMing!
by unklchuk on Feb 4, 2012 11:48 PM CST via Android app reply actions
So we don't have anybody that can protect the rim?
With Bogut out and Sanders on the bench, I’m not surprised.
Gooden, Ilyasova, Leuer, and Brockman are not going to deter a strong team like Chicago.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
is Jennings "supposed to"
…keep Rose in front of him? With Rose that may be impossible. If so doesn’t the team HAVE TO adjust? Didn’t see that.
I hear Gooden did NOTHING in the first quarter when the game was decided (!!). Then gets almost 30 in three quarters of garbage time. Is he trying to redefine his own standing definition of empty stats?
Still think these men are a pack of mongrel dogs. One catches a cold. They all catch it. Rise together, fall hard together. No leader unless Jennings finds his mojo. Sigh…….
by unklchuk on Feb 5, 2012 5:56 AM CST via Android app reply actions
I'm choosing to not worry about the last two games
Sure, they were disappointing, but I think we are a better team than we showed against the Bulls. The Pistons loss was one of those road efforts we are very capable of.
I’m expecting that Jennings will show he has improved this year by bouncing back in a positive way.
Gooden will continue to be Gooden (more good than bad imo). Ilyasova, LRMAM, Livingston, Dunleavy and Delfino have shown most of the year that they can be counted on to provide more than they have in the last two games.
I, for one, was very happy to see Skiles play the rookies
in a game that the Bucks had no business winning. (Although Jennings’ foul trouble and poor shooting bothered me.)
What do we think of Tobias Harris? SF of the future?
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
Well... Depends
I haven’t watched him before he was drafted by the Bucks, but from what I see he has a very well rounded game for a rookie. He has the basketball smarts to always be in the right place, and he has an old-school style of play (fundamentals are visible when watching him play)which will keep him hovering at a Tayshaun Prince level I feel
Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!
"What do we think of Tobias Harris?"
I should keep my mouth closed for a while longer. But if God or Darwin or Somebody gave us mouths, He must have wanted us to use them. Harris continues to show a definite willingness and some abilities for scoring inside (and maybe out). But he’s starting to look a bit narrow to me on the court. I still value his appetite for taking the ball to the hoop, but I wish I’d see him more involved in team play. Starting to wonder if he thinks he can just be a scorer.
Which is why I remember Tony Smith last night (who I think produces mixed results in a difficult job) closing a post-game discussion of Harris being a bright spot in last night’s Night of the Dead Living by saying something vague (like a house spokesman would) that I interpreted as: Harris won’t get major playing time unless he learns to play NBA defense. That sounds a bit like Tough Love, as practiced roughly by NBA coaches/staff.
If the quiet Harris (public image) is willing and coach-able, they should get past that. If he’s got stars in his hard-to-read eyes, and knows that scorers get paid (and tolerated for their shortcomings), then he Just Maybe Might morph into another regretted draft choice.
This is a lot stronger against Harris than I think this forum would generally think appropriate. But I think there MAY be something there, small but maybe growing, and I’m pointing an inquisitive finger.
There's that defense thing again...
Here’s the deal: When you have a coach who is vaunted for their defensive mentality, shouldn’t his schemes incorporate the players shortcomings? Skiles talked about Harris being slow-footed on defense in the makeshift preseason, so I feel that’s not all bad when adjusting to the top level speed of the NBA
Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!
I don’t know if Tony Smith’s judgment is no more than the all-too-common now-current inside story on Harris. Or if it is a challenge or conclusion taking increasing shape out of the mist of rookie unknowns.
Watching Harris I can go with the slow footed thing. But I have to admit that I don’t see it hurting our defense all that much.
It sounds like
More of a challenge, since that’s how players “earn” time to Skiles… I think he is learning his place, and that is a far cry from Vanilla Sky and his wonder year at West Virginia
Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!
Such conclusions are woefullly premature, I believe.
But I do agree with your “potential” comments. Saying right now that he only wants to be a scorer is jumping the gun a bit, especially because he is playing on such a helter skleter, inconsistent team. I am keeping my eye on raw skills, and I hope to God the Bucks get a Head Coach that knows how to develop young players.
The problem with Chicago
Is that they can beat you inside-out. Pack the paint on D, and they will shoot the lights out. Spread theD out, and Rose does Rose.
I don’t think we really had a chance.
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Which is why I think a bottom playoff spot
…against the Bulls would do little to impress Joe Casual Fan.
I don't expect much...
Seeing as how the Bulls defense is like top 5 and our offense is , well, OUR offense. But on a night where D.Rose scores 26 on 24 shots and every pass beat our spacing, I can only say that these games will happen evry once in a while.
Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!
Yes, dud efforts will happen from time to time. But the swing is so great that it puzzles me.
The Heat game in which we gave Miami no chance to win. The Piston and Bulls games in which we gave ourselves no chance to win. Doesn’t that require psychological counseling?
I know a great psychiatrist with 16 couches in his counseling room. (One for Skiles.) And 16 boxes of Kleenex. Wonder how I get his name to Hammond?
this IS the (Skiles) Bucks we are talking about
Granted Jennings was in early foul trouble (which thuis team can ill afford), any balloon of hope is usually burst with questionable lineups or unadjusted coaching.
Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!
Did Jennings early fouls
…come from trying to stay in front of Rose?
Did he and the coaches give that up as futile?
Hard to say
I think both fouls were reach in fouls as he torpedoed the lane… But the gameplan is to keep Rose in front of the arc as the defense sets up to help (from what I see). Unfortunately he is one of the fastest players with a green light on offense so he does what he want (13 points in what, 5 minutes I believe)
Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!
I couldn't tell what he did on the second one
Rose leaned in from the baseline and I guess Joey Crawford thought he touched his back as he leaned in.
by Frank Madden on Feb 5, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
as a bulls fan let me say
that was a total bullshit call.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Feb 5, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I skipped watching this last night in favor of having a social life
i think i’ll go ahead and erase the DVR without watching it.
Skiles
-This team didn’t come ready to play a night after his team didn’t come ready to play.
-Our pick and roll defense is horrible time after time.
-This team’s best player is Stephen Jackson. The performance of this Bucks teams today should have ended up with the whole team benched (see Atlanta). Skiles can’t let his stubborness interfere with out chances to win games. I’ve never seen a coach who butts heads with so many players so hard that he feels he should bench them permanently. Hammond is acquiring these guys for Skiles that Skiles is benching. Maggette and Jackson were fringe all-stars for years. The Bucks can’t afford to have Skiles butting heads with any star player they acquire. CDR should have been a bench warmer, but not banished to the bench by his coach. Skiles team is mostly guys who either he has molded since a rookie without any experience outside, other teams bench warmers, and guys who were mistreated and poorly received elsewhere. We need to able acquire real talent and use it, fit that player into our plan or make slight adjustments to the plan, not banish the player because he doesn’t fit the mold.
The Jackson situation has the layers and the smell of a big onion that’s been sitting way too long.
(I know that’s a BAD smell ’cuz I just had one.)
The Skiles situation has the layers and the smell of a… No, wait. I’m not quite there yet.
Do please continue!
I don’t see Skiles being fired, but what were the terms of his new contract? If we play the rest of the season like the first 1/3rd, he gets the “Bogut injury Pass”. If we divebomb, I know the chirps will start roaring in a matter of time
Who turned the light's out?? Because I don't see nobody!
We all know Skiles will stick to his principles. Whether that’s stubbornness or wisdom depends I guess on whether it hurts the team.
Trouble is, I don’t know how adequate this team is. If the team is inadequate, blaming Skiles for stubbornness strikes me as scapegoating. Avoiding the big unpleasant truth.
If the team has adequate talent, and can actually achieve what I mostly dream of – the whole being more than the sum of the parts – then stubbornness is a problem. Which ohh which ohh which is it?
Wisdom or Stubborn
I don’t think it’s ever been wisdom from the sense of substitutions, line-ups, and discipline. The wisdom I see is his defensive scheme and demanding energy on the defensive end.
We’ve had more talent that was used i.e. Jackson and Maggette, Skiles intentionally didn’t use it.
I’m not going to say I see over-performing talent on this team. I could have made that argument for Salmons, maybe I can still make it for Delfino, but I think everyone else is playing at least as good as they would under any other circumstance.
You had me at "This team's best player is Stephen Jackson."
There are certainly ways Jax could be a useful player on this team, but it’s not as a 40 mpg guy. Considering Skiles gave him a ton of minutes early in the season without anything to show for it, I have to wonder what has really happened behind closed doors that made him an observer. He was useful in the Rockets game after all the issues started coming up, yet he’s barely played since then. Skiles tend to stick with his vets, so to me it says a lot that he’s frozen Jax out.
by Frank Madden on Feb 5, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Maggette v2.0?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Yes and no
I think Jax has the capacity to be a valuable locker room guy in a way Maggette isn’t. Jax shoots too much but also has shown he’ll play team basketball; he’s not a ball-stopping iso guy in the way Maggette is. But Corey was at least an efficient scorer.
Either way, neither is or was an essential piece of the team’s future.
by Frank Madden on Feb 5, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I meant more in the way
He was benched by Skiles
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Coaches get fired for lesser reasons.
I say fire him now. If Hammonds believes he has certain good pieces to render success, then the only way to really know is to change coaches and see if someone else can do it. If anythng, another coach can come in and say “who the hell are these guys”?
The who's better argument
I don’t like it, it’s a way to get someone to settle with what they have because they don’t immediately see a better alternative.
Draw this comparison to breaking up a relationship (Bucks-Skiles). I can’t ask myself well who’s better, then because I can’t think of a girl off the top of my head think I should stay in this relationship. You have to go back to dating (coaching interviews and coaching carousel), trying some girls you’ve had your eye on for a while (Jerry Sloan) and a few completely new girls (Kelvin Sampson, Patrick Ewing, Sidney Moncrief). You’re a solid catch (professional head coaching position) so opportunities (candidates) will present themselves.
So let's stick with the status quo and always suck .....
Sometimes the best change is change itself. This is a methodology I rarely subscribe to, but I constantly hear rationalization, which only serves to feed the “business as usual” mentality. We can continue to pick apart this team’s weaknesses on a “micro” level but cannot lose sight of the problems on the “macro” level.
Hammonds plan rarely works in this league. You merely have to look at several teams in this league that shoud probably not be better than the Bucks. The Bucks need a new direction that is predicated on youth.
Last night was a nuclear attack
Where was Sanders? Nothing to lose.
by toasterrebound on Feb 5, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
"Well, the 8th spot, a first-round pasting, and the 12th pick in the 2013 NBA draft is at stake.."
If that happens Win Now will have been a failure. A big failure.
Well, we know "win now" is going to be a failure if the goal is a 2nd round playoff trip
The only way “win now” succeeds is if a) the team at least brings back the good vibrations in the city around the team and b) it comes in concert with the continued development and not at the expense of Jennings (first and foremost) and the team’s younger players (Luc, Tobias, Leuer, Sanders). At a minimum, let’s get some understanding of what we have in those guys.
by Frank Madden on Feb 5, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
People underestimate the status quo.
When you’re my age, change isn’t always good. Still breathing? Viva la quo! Viva viva!
(This has nothing to do with basketball. Just foolishness typed while chewing on breakfast.)
At your age of 49...
…if I had fathered a child at the age of 11, and if that person had been more responsible and waited until 12 to have kids, then you could be my grandson…
That strikes me as an awkwardly-constructed but scientifically-plausible and impressive stat. It, however, makes no claim to be an advanced stat. I have yet to receive my degree in Advanced Statifying from the online university DiplomasRUs — so I’m not allowed to call it advanced.
Just when you think the Bucks might be turning the corner, they crash back to earth...
And appear to be heading back to NBA hell.
What’s the deal w/ Jax??? I gotta think he knows he’s being dealt, or would be bitching up a storm about not playing. Weird situation.
That is their makeup, Victor.
But even blind squirrels find acorns once in a while.
Lol. True, Tommy.
I gues it was just the fashion in which they lost the past two games, especially after the Miami game.
Mediocre to bad teams experience occassional success ...
Very good to great team experience “sustained” success …..
by tommyr on Feb 5, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Start him over Delfino
They both shoot bricks, but Jax can have a big game of 30 where Carlos seldom goes for 10. Better yet, trade them both.
by toasterrebound on Feb 5, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
SOLUTION Focused Therapy>>>
Very simple……
" If your are doing something and its not working……Do something else.
If your doing something, and it works, Keep doing it……."
This I’m sure applies to the Bucks somehow. Yet, on this morning I’m too tired, and beaten to frankly give a damn. Guess part of that is I think I’m seeing the same thing that isn’t working, but, not seeing the change to rectify? And, now in their fourth yr. together Skiles/Hammond are running out of affective real estate. Hence, the apathy?
Oh, wait….looks like another missed shot?
I"m glad they don’t play unitl Tuesday. Time away, for everyone, should be a good thing?
Time away
…will be a very good thing.
Does one have to abstain from this forum to enjoy the full benefits of time away?
;)
Absence makes the heart grow fonder?
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
two speed bumps on the road to the end of the season
I was worried about this 5 game block(starting in Detroit)but if we can at least win 2 of the next three it won’t be so bad. Not ready to call the tanks bank yet although i would like to see harris get some more burn to see if he could work on his defensive inadequacies. Think harris might be a guy we need that has the ability to score, might take some of the offensive pressure off of BJ. About Gooden and his offense, where was it when he was playing beside Bogut? I am hoping Ersan, Delfino and Jackson are made available coming up to the deadline, don’t see any long term future for any of them here and it would be nice to get something for them if possible.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Well, Gooden barely played next to Bogut...
This year he’s basically been exclusively Bogut’s backup, and last year he was barely healthy. Either way, I’ll be content if Gooden continues to pile up numbers in Bogut’s absence and then gets dealt for something other than another albatross in the offseason.
by Frank Madden on Feb 5, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
To be hoenst, this team doesnt have anything to build on, except bogut/jennings. The rest of the guys are all fringe d-league players or it may just be skiles coaching. Look at jodie meeks on the 76ers now, does this guy have any ability to cultivate young talent? Leuer did a great job at the start of the season & earned a starting spot only to get banished to the bench when that knicks game came up. From then hes been lucky to get 5-10 mins of game time that wasnt in garbage time.
Even if we make the 8th seed, this team will not go much further. Most of the other non playoff teams have much better under 25 talent while the bucks only have jennings & bogut. Looking back at the 09 season, salmons was scoring near 20ppg jennings at 15(37%), bogut at 16, with the rest of the guys chipping in. This year jennings it at 20, next 2 top ppg scorers jackson & bogut are out. Gooden is the leading scorer after jennings at #4 with below 11ppg(overall). There just isnt much to work off here.
I really think we should look hard at getting rid of skiles or tank the season & trading up in the lottery. Might need to take a bad contract on but if it means we would have a better future then it should be worth it(?harrison barnes?). Otherwise, I do not see jennings sticking around in milwaukee if the bucks are going to be making the 7-8th seed or missing out on the playoffs by a few wins because the team has no talent. Because teams like the wolves/warriors/bcats/pistons/kings all have atleast 2 young guys that are as talented as bogut(fringe all star material, so far)
There are a lot of problems here,
but Skiles’ refusal/inability to identify and develop young talent is starting to make me question whether or not he’s the best coach for this team. He got lucky with Jennings, inherited Bogut and Mbah a Moute, but the rest of the players are either veterans with low ceilings or young prospects who struggle to find the court under his watch.
At least he took the initiative to bench Jackson when Jackson needed benching. Surprisingly, Jackson was OK with it, but that’s a different story entirely,
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by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 5, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not advocating this trade but..........just for fun
Does anyone here do this deal?
Do the Bucks?
Lakers?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mzgz8k
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Meant to add
We’ll take the better of their two firsts as well.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
No way
if you would have asked me about this before Bogut got hurt, I might have thought about it, but now without Bogut our front line would be Luc, Pau and that doesn’t excite me one bit.
I think the Bucks should target one of the Lakers 1st round picks AND I think the Lakers are a solid trade partner for Stephen Jackson as the trade deadline nears.
Both teams might accept
Jackson for Walton, Barnes, DAL 1st
What I like:
Extra draft pick, Barnes’ cheap expiring deal ($1.9 mil), major savings for next year (Walton is $3-4 mil cheaper than Jackson)
What I hate:
Luke Walton, stealer of PF minutes
I would make that deal, though.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 6, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
And the Lakers are doing that
To land Howard correct? Deal
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Don't think Howard has anything to do with it
The Lakers do this because they need a better SF and another playmaker, they free a roster spot in a 2 for 1, the DAL pick is top 20 protected, Walton may be the leagues least tradable, least valueable player, and Barnes is just a guy coming off the bench and slightly lowering their cap figure next year but not enough to get them under the lux tax.
Better SF?
Wow that’s setting your target low
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
We'll have have to disagree on that
Stephen Jackson can play flat out. It’s not up for debate with me. I’m not going to side with Warden Skiles just because he’s in charge. Warden Skiles makes everybody look bad on offense.
Preach!
Stephen Jackson is one of those high-maintenance types, to be sure. But he can play.
Talent-wise, I’d put him firmly in the top-15 SG/SFs in the league. Attitude and performance and everything else that you need? Well…
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by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 7, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Unless Shaun Livingston
magically heals his knee and can go for 34+ minutes a night AND develops 3-point range overnight, there’s no way we can handle that much of a downgrade at PG. Not for Pau, especially.
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by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 6, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
as I said
I wasn’t pushing for it, was just an interesting way to get rid of both goOden and Jackson but agreed not worth the price.
"He always plays like he's a pit bull that hasn't been fed in about a year and that you've got pork chops in your pockets and that's the basketball." Of course, he's Canadian
Although seeing Kobe and Cap'n Jack try to coexist?
The thought is tempting, to say the least.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 6, 2012 6:53 AM CST up reply actions
Skiles mentality?
I’ve been a long-time lurker, but this is my first post. I can’t take it anymore. WTH is Skiles doing with his rotations? I get the “not ready to play defense” argument, but when your team is losing by 26 and it’s half-way through the 3rd quarter and you haven’t broken 60 points, who cares? You can play all the D you want, but you gotta score. LRAM simply cannot shoot outside of 5 feet, yet gets big minutes becaue he can defend. Sanders is probably the best healthy defensive center we have now, but doesn’t play because he can’t score? And, Gooden is what he is, unfortunately. If i were coaching, after like the 5th time that Rose drove and the help defense backpeddeled with their hands by their knees while he floated a jumper, I would’ve put Sanders or Brockness in with instructions to make him earn his points. Nothing dirty, but just a little more physical than the matador defense i was watching.
Thanks for the comment.
I’m not sure what it would have hurt for Skiles to put Sanders in the game, or Jackson for that matter. Then again, I don’t know what it would have helped either… As for Gooden, over the past year or so he’s had a habit of delivering hard fouls on people (esp. point guards), so I was surprised that he seemed averse to even touching Rose…
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Skiles, IMO, would be a great assistant coach to someone like Mike D’Antoni. Let him handle the defense, give him a few players that can actually do it, but that’s it.
Development, offensive game planning, strategic vision? I don’t see it.
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by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 7, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions


















